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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 3:44:37 GMT
Yeah I think they were trying to show that he's still young and it was a lot of effort to take off with Dany on his back, he's never done that before and is just barely big enough to carry her ... still a young colt really in dragon terms. Even though his neck, head and wingspan are quite large, his overall body size was maybe 1 and a half that of a horse? Dragons being more like birds probably aren't as heavy as horses anyways and would need to be much larger to carry the weight of a human. But hey, I'm just speculating here as a childhood Dragonriders of Pern fan haha. Also, the dragons in A Dance with Dragons (ugh I can hardly type that without sad feels for Shireen again) did die, and often. They were killed in battle and they killed one another too - so sad. Those dragons were fully mature and the size of small airplanes. Drogon's still got quite a ways to go. Can you imagine how magnificent and fierce he will look in a few more years?!  Agreed. And actually, on watching the scene again, the spears barely even penetrate his hide at all. The spears stuck, but the spearheads didn't go any further than about an inch deep (there is a sex pun in there somewhere...). They were so shallow that one of them just falls out when he starts to take his runner with Dany  I'm relieved - was afraid the spears had seriously injured him. But about the issue of his having a hard time getting airborne, then . . . anybody ever watch Jane and the Dragon with their kids? (it's a cartoon) It takes Dragon quite a lot of time to lope along, then slowly gain height as he flies. Think about the size of a little starling you might see zoom in at a bird feeder, then how quickly it can take off again. I think it's a weight thing. Once he's grown to full size, it seems it'd take him even longer to get himself airborne. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 3:57:56 GMT
^ I guess we'll agree to disagree, which is fine. His body size is 1 1/2 horses, so Dany's slight weight wouldn't weigh him down. He's hurt, he's injured, and I think the show set it up to show that and that we'll next see D&D (hahaha, Dany and Drogon, that is...) with her tending to him, caring for him, feeding him, helping to heal him. And thus, the unbreakable bond. As the Dragons... bond.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 4:03:36 GMT
In Fire and Blood's gif/signature above it appears that some of her hair is moving as she flies. Just not the whole bun thingmy at the back.
But yeah, I agree with Envie, it would've been a pretty cool visual metaphor if her Queenly braids came undone while flying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 8:04:18 GMT
I think the hair movement is okay. Braids are pretty firm structures if done right. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 11, 2015 8:41:08 GMT
I think the hair movement is okay. Braids are pretty firm structures if done right. I wear braids a lot and when they are pinned, nothing moves them, not even if I flew on a dragon |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 8:52:23 GMT
I think the hair movement is okay. Braids are pretty firm structures if done right. I wear braids a lot and when they are pinned, nothing moves them, not even if I flew on a dragon Yeah, I rode rollercoasters with milkmaid braids, it all depends on how you pin everything in place. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 10:15:59 GMT
^ I guess we'll agree to disagree, which is fine. His body size is 1 1/2 horses, so Dany's slight weight wouldn't weigh him down. He's hurt, he's injured, and I think the show set it up to show that and that we'll next see D&D (hahaha, Dany and Drogon, that is...) with her tending to him, caring for him, feeding him, helping to heal him. And thus, the unbreakable bond. As the Dragons... bond. it's not really that Dany was too heavy, it's just that he wasn't used to the extra weight and would have needed a moment to figure out how much force he needed to get in the air with her on his back. It's the first time he's ever carries anyone like that before so it would have taken a moment. Sticky tape a stone or something on to the back of a bird and you will see them do the same  |
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Post by janicia on Jun 11, 2015 14:33:17 GMT
Those holes in his wings should also have messed Drogon up a bit. Funny the discussions we can have about the biology of dragons.  I hope they take the time to release the other two dragons somehow in 5x10. Them nesting on a pyramid would be a good finale image. But on the other hand, I guess the release of the dragons could be a great moment to kickstart season 6 in Mereen - would give Dany's entourage something exciting to deal with that motivates the final abandonment of Mereen. And if Tyrion as a dragonrider is going to be a thing, I guess it would make sense to consolidate that into a season arc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 14:47:36 GMT
Those holes in his wings should also have messed Drogon up a bit. Funny the discussions we can have about the biology of dragons. I hope they take the time to release the other two dragons somehow in 5x10. Them nesting on a pyramid would be a good finale image. But on the other hand, I guess the release of the dragons could be a great moment to kickstart season 6 in Mereen - would give Dany's entourage something exciting to deal with that motivates the final abandonment of Mereen. And if Tyrion as a dragonrider is going to be a thing, I guess it would make sense to consolidate that into a season arc. I think either Daario or Jorah (my money's on Daario) will go to visit them and accidentally releasing them. |
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Post by boojam on Jun 11, 2015 15:15:32 GMT
Footnote on the episode.
Jorah speaks Valyrian , in the books he does (in fact several Westerosi characters speak Valyrian in the book, Varys must).
I think, on the show , this is only time Jorah has?
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Post by janicia on Jun 11, 2015 15:21:58 GMT
Footnote on the episode. Jorah speaks Valyrian , in the books he does (in fact several Westerosi characters speak Valyrian in the book, Varys must). I think, on the show , this is only time Jorah has? He might not be fluent in Valyrian - it would be simple enough to learn the one line about fighting to serve his queen. I'm trying to think when it would have been handy for Jorah to speak Valyrian. You'd think it would have helped during his brief stint as a slave, except that the slavers all seemed to speak the Westerosi common tongue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 15:40:18 GMT
Footnote on the episode. Jorah speaks Valyrian , in the books he does (in fact several Westerosi characters speak Valyrian in the book, Varys must). I think, on the show , this is only time Jorah has? He might not be fluent in Valyrian - it would be simple enough to learn the one line about fighting to serve his queen. I'm trying to think when it would have been handy for Jorah to speak Valyrian. You'd think it would have helped during his brief stint as a slave, except that the slavers all seemed to speak the Westerosi common tongue. Everyone seems to be talking common tongue. Meereneese slavers, volantene prostitutes, wildlings and even braavosi bullies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 16:52:37 GMT
Those holes in his wings should also have messed Drogon up a bit. Funny the discussions we can have about the biology of dragons. I hope they take the time to release the other two dragons somehow in 5x10. Them nesting on a pyramid would be a good finale image. But on the other hand, I guess the release of the dragons could be a great moment to kickstart season 6 in Mereen - would give Dany's entourage something exciting to deal with that motivates the final abandonment of Mereen. And if Tyrion as a dragonrider is going to be a thing, I guess it would make sense to consolidate that into a season arc. I've been wondering about the other two, as well, but with a bit more trepidation, as they've been "jailed" for quite some time and experienced abandonment by their mom (  ). Consequently we saw them 'firing back' at her, literally, the last time she attempted to have a heart to heart with them. I do tend to get caught up in details, but I keep wondering how somebody is going to get close enough to unchain them. These little sticky points will, of course, be worked through by early Season 6, but I don't think we'll get to see them fly by episode 10 - too many other threads to tie up, Dany won't be back by then and I can't see anyone else attempting to set them free (rest in peace, Quentin Martell  ) |
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Post by janicia on Jun 11, 2015 17:10:10 GMT
I hope they take the time to release the other two dragons somehow in 5x10. Them nesting on a pyramid would be a good finale image. But on the other hand, I guess the release of the dragons could be a great moment to kickstart season 6 in Mereen - would give Dany's entourage something exciting to deal with that motivates the final abandonment of Mereen. And if Tyrion as a dragonrider is going to be a thing, I guess it would make sense to consolidate that into a season arc. I've been wondering about the other two, as well, but with a bit more trepidation, as they've been "jailed" for quite some time and experienced abandonment by their mom ( ). Consequently we saw them 'firing back' at her, literally, the last time she attempted to have a heart to heart with them. I do tend to get caught up in details, but I keep wondering how somebody is going to get close enough to unchain them. These little sticky points will, of course, be worked through by early Season 6, but I don't think we'll get to see them fly by episode 10 - too many other threads to tie up, Dany won't be back by then and I can't see anyone else attempting to set them free (rest in peace, Quentin Martell ) Yeah, the way they set up those chains, with the studs far away from the staircase and the chains so short really complicates unchaining logistics. But the show creators knew that they'd have to unchain the dragons when they designed that set, so they must have a plan. I sorta wonder if the dragons won't just melt their chains and then push away the stone or something. But maybe the sons of the harpy make some ill-advised attempt to tame or kill them that sets them free. Or maybe somebody on team Dany dares to go in there. If Tyrion really is going to be a dragonrider, he should go meet them sometime soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 17:26:53 GMT
I've been wondering about the other two, as well, but with a bit more trepidation, as they've been "jailed" for quite some time and experienced abandonment by their mom ( ). Consequently we saw them 'firing back' at her, literally, the last time she attempted to have a heart to heart with them. I do tend to get caught up in details, but I keep wondering how somebody is going to get close enough to unchain them. These little sticky points will, of course, be worked through by early Season 6, but I don't think we'll get to see them fly by episode 10 - too many other threads to tie up, Dany won't be back by then and I can't see anyone else attempting to set them free (rest in peace, Quentin Martell ) Yeah, the way they set up those chains, with the studs far away from the staircase and the chains so short really complicates unchaining logistics. But the show creators knew that they'd have to unchain the dragons when they designed that set, so they must have a plan. I sorta wonder if the dragons won't just melt their chains and then push away the stone or something. But maybe the sons of the harpy make some ill-advised attempt to tame or kill them that sets them free. Or maybe somebody on team Dany dares to go in there. If Tyrion really is going to be a dragonrider, he should go meet them sometime soon. I was thinking about how huge and heavy the chain 'collars' were, too. Your mention of Rhaegal and Viserion 'just melting their chains' doesn't sound so far fetched when I remembered that once they'd burned Pyat Pree, the chains that had held them and Dany did just come unfastened by themselves. We can't forget the element of magic!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 18:15:12 GMT
There are just SO many loose ends to tie up in the finale, like you said izzue and I agree - we might not actually get their release but I'm sure hoping so too! I agree with Roose, someone's going to go down there, maybe Daario, and try to free them. I also like the theory that the remaining Sons of the Harpy decide to go and try to kill them because they pose a threat but after seeing how lethal Drogon was, I would think that to be a very stupid idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 18:47:25 GMT
What bothered me most about the scene in 4x10 when Dany chained her dragons was that she lifted those metal chains by HERSELF. How can those chains keep two furious growing dragons imprisoned if a young woman can lift them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 19:36:00 GMT
What bothered me most about the scene in 4x10 when Dany chained her dragons was that she lifted those metal chains by HERSELF. How can those chains keep two furious growing dragons imprisoned if a young woman can lift them. The chains actually weren't CGI if you watch the effects video for s4. So whatever they were made of, Emilia did lift them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 19:37:15 GMT
What bothered me most about the scene in 4x10 when Dany chained her dragons was that she lifted those metal chains by HERSELF. How can those chains keep two furious growing dragons imprisoned if a young woman can lift them. The chains actually weren't CGI if you watch the effects video for s4. So whatever they were made of, Emilia did lift them. Yes, I know. My point was that, if Dany (the character) can lift them, why wouldn't the dragons be able to escape easily? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 19:40:36 GMT
The chains actually weren't CGI if you watch the effects video for s4. So whatever they were made of, Emilia did lift them. Yes, I know. My point was that, if Dany (the character) can lift them, why wouldn't the dragons be able to escape easily? Well ... look how much they've grown this year ... we got to see them up close ripping that slave master in two - they are nearly as big as Drogon so it's entirely possible they could break their own chains by now since they have clearly grown. Damn you Daenerys - that was one of your mistakes little Queen!  Now all we need is someone to roll that heavy door open ... |
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). Consequently we saw them 'firing back' at her, literally, the last time she attempted to have a heart to heart with them. I do tend to get caught up in details, but I keep wondering how somebody is going to get close enough to unchain them. These little sticky points will, of course, be worked through by early Season 6, but I don't think we'll get to see them fly by episode 10 - too many other threads to tie up, Dany won't be back by then and I can't see anyone else attempting to set them free (rest in peace, Quentin Martell 
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Now all we need is someone to roll that heavy door open ...