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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 15:05:38 GMT
I was sad to see Hizdahr go. He was a nice fellow after all. I absolutely loved how he out-talked both Dany and even Tyrion. Dany's immature response to Hizzy about destroying Meereen was funny. He was forced to marry the evil Daenerys (the same Queen who butchered his father without a trial  ) and then he was brutally murdered. He seemed like an innocent, peaceful and loving ex-slaver. Rest in Peace Hizdahr  |
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Post by boojam on Jun 9, 2015 15:07:03 GMT
It occurred to me why not make this episode Ser Barristan's finest final moment? He and Tyrion's story could have been accommodated. As gracious as Ian McElhinney was about it, in the end, still seems something happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 15:08:27 GMT
It occurred to me why not make this episode Ser Barristan's finest final moment? He and Tyrion's story could have been accommodated. As gracious as Ian McElhinney was about it, in the end, still seems something happened. Good point. Barry could have died fighting the Harpy here as well. It would have been even better. |
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Post by breakfest on Jun 9, 2015 15:10:23 GMT
If the Harpy were never a serious threat then she never would have had to marry Hizdhar or reopen the fighting pits. There were already a lot of characters to keep tabs with in that scene, I think they made a good choice.
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 9, 2015 15:17:26 GMT
It occurred to me why not make this episode Ser Barristan's finest final moment? He and Tyrion's story could have been accommodated. As gracious as Ian McElhinney was about it, in the end, still seems something happened. Good point. Barry could have died fighting the Harpy here as well. It would have been even better. I think it would have been overshadowed by Jorah's plight. He was really the focus of that scene and to have Selmy die suddenly fighting the Harpy wouldn't have been as compelling. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 15:19:21 GMT
Mid-season also needed some action.
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 9, 2015 15:32:49 GMT
Structurally as well, if you knew that Barristan had to die this season because he dies in the books and they weren't going to do the Battle of Meereen, then you can't do it at Daznak's. His death would break up the momentum of the scene and they wouldn't be able to give it the proper amount of gravity given that they need to Dany to immediately get on Drogon and take off triumphantly.
At least as played on the show, in addition to his death making the Harpies a legit threat and spurring her to action for the 2nd half of the season, it gave everyone else a scene to mourn and recognize his death. If this happened at Daznak's, it would be as an incidental casualty and wouldn't have had the same weight.
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 9, 2015 16:21:50 GMT
Ratings are up from last week, from 7 million to 7.14 million, giving episode 9 the second highest initial ratings this season. And this was against stiff competition from the NBA finals.
I really want to see HBO release final numbers at some point...I'm interested in seeing how they compare.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 15:30:59 GMT
I was reading some more reviews today and in the comment section in one of them they were discussing Dany leaving her crew behind.
Someone mentioned that Dany did it because Drogon was getting hit on all sides but he wouldn't leave because he didn't want to leave Dany in danger. So Dany got on his back because she knew he'd leave with her. Thus, Dany was trying to protect him too.
I didn't think about it that way, but it made sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:35:13 GMT
I was reading some more reviews today and in the comment section in one of them they were discussing Dany leaving her crew behind. Someone mentioned that Dany did it because Drogon was getting hit on all sides but he wouldn't leave because he didn't want to leave Dany in danger. So Dany got on his back because she knew he'd leave with her. Thus, Dany was trying to protect him too. I didn't think about it that way, but it made sense. It's a possible conclusion since he was getting pelted with spears pretty hard and didn't seem willing to leave until she told him to fly. We should remember that this scene was actually quite different in the book. In the book Drogon came to feast on the boar that was being used in one of the gladiator matches and was then maddened by the attacks on him and Dany actually had to 'tame' him down with a whip because he did try to shoot flame at her too. We should also remember it was Hizdahr who ordered the attack on him, not the Harpies. The Sons of the Harpy coup attempt wasn't in the book so the dynamic of the entire scene changed from one of Dany trying to save Drogon from Hizdahr's guards to one of Dany being saved by Drogon from the Harpies. It's more powerful as the latter because of how much more they played up the violence of the Harpies instead of the boring political tension that existed in the books. Now, in the aftermath, Hizdahr is dead so it doesn't matter whether or not he was ever behind the whole thing as we suspected in the books. They imprisoned him in the book. It's much tidier to just kill him off like they did on the show. Plot finished there. I do like the idea that some fans think Dany was saving Drogon as much as he was saving her. Anything that helps play up a connection between the two of them is a good thing in my book. |
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Post by arthucus on Jun 10, 2015 22:45:05 GMT
Weren't Hizdhar's guards sons of the Harpy? That was my reading of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:49:03 GMT
Weren't Hizdhar's guards sons of the Harpy? That was my reading of it. What's interesting is Hizdahr just stood there when Daario suspected him and then it took him more than a few seconds to say "I know a way out." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:54:01 GMT
I was reading some more reviews today and in the comment section in one of them they were discussing Dany leaving her crew behind. Someone mentioned that Dany did it because Drogon was getting hit on all sides but he wouldn't leave because he didn't want to leave Dany in danger. So Dany got on his back because she knew he'd leave with her. Thus, Dany was trying to protect him too. I didn't think about it that way, but it made sense. Oh, I absolutely saw it that way, didn't even occur to me that others interpreted it differently. Especially since he then seemed to struggle a bit lifting off and flying, seemed to be slow and having to work at it to flap his wings. I saw it that he definitely was hurt. And that gives us a new bit of insight for the future. We've now learned that in this universe, dragons can be wounded, their skin can be pierced, ergo, they can be brought down and killed. I don't know if that in-universe fact applies only to the show, but I rather doubt it. I think Drogon being injured in the pits foreshadows that by the end of the story, he and probably all 3 dragons will be dead. (sob)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:56:06 GMT
.@michiel_Huisman debriefs on Daario’s action in the Great Pit in #TheDanceWithDragons: itsh.bo/1dqQ9ht /photo/1 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:56:55 GMT
I was reading some more reviews today and in the comment section in one of them they were discussing Dany leaving her crew behind. Someone mentioned that Dany did it because Drogon was getting hit on all sides but he wouldn't leave because he didn't want to leave Dany in danger. So Dany got on his back because she knew he'd leave with her. Thus, Dany was trying to protect him too. I didn't think about it that way, but it made sense. Oh, I absolutely saw it that way, didn't even occur to me that others interpreted it differently. Especially since he then seemed to struggle a bit lifting off and flying, seemed to be slow and having to work at it to flap his wings. I saw it that he definitely was hurt. And that gives us a new bit of insight for the future. We've now learned that in this universe, dragons can be wounded, their skin can be pierced, ergo, they can be brought down and killed. I don't know if that in-universe fact applies only to the show, but I rather doubt it. I think Drogon being injured in the pits foreshadows that by the end of the story, he and probably all 3 dragons will be dead. (sob)
I think the initial difficulty he had lifting off was the additional weight he was carrying, not his injuries. I never really got the impression that the spears really did much damage to him, and remember he is still young, so his scales and hide are still in the process of hardening up and becoming more difficult to pierce. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:34:59 GMT
Oh, I absolutely saw it that way, didn't even occur to me that others interpreted it differently. Especially since he then seemed to struggle a bit lifting off and flying, seemed to be slow and having to work at it to flap his wings. I saw it that he definitely was hurt. And that gives us a new bit of insight for the future. We've now learned that in this universe, dragons can be wounded, their skin can be pierced, ergo, they can be brought down and killed. I don't know if that in-universe fact applies only to the show, but I rather doubt it. I think Drogon being injured in the pits foreshadows that by the end of the story, he and probably all 3 dragons will be dead. (sob)
I think the initial difficulty he had lifting off was the additional weight he was carrying, not his injuries. I never really got the impression that the spears really did much damage to him, and remember he is still young, so his scales and hide are still in the process of hardening up and becoming more difficult to pierce. Yeah I think they were trying to show that he's still young and it was a lot of effort to take off with Dany on his back, he's never done that before and is just barely big enough to carry her ... still a young colt really in dragon terms. Even though his neck, head and wingspan are quite large, his overall body size was maybe 1 and a half that of a horse? Dragons being more like birds probably aren't as heavy as horses anyways and would need to be much larger to carry the weight of a human. But hey, I'm just speculating here as a childhood Dragonriders of Pern fan haha. Also, the dragons in A Dance with Dragons (ugh I can hardly type that without sad feels for Shireen again) did die, and often. They were killed in battle and they killed one another too - so sad. Those dragons were fully mature and the size of small airplanes. Drogon's still got quite a ways to go. Can you imagine how magnificent and fierce he will look in a few more years?!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:40:06 GMT
I think the initial difficulty he had lifting off was the additional weight he was carrying, not his injuries. I never really got the impression that the spears really did much damage to him, and remember he is still young, so his scales and hide are still in the process of hardening up and becoming more difficult to pierce. Yeah I think they were trying to show that he's still young and it was a lot of effort to take off with Dany on his back, he's never done that before and is just barely big enough to carry her ... still a young colt really in dragon terms. Even though his neck, head and wingspan are quite large, his overall body size was maybe 1 and a half that of a horse? Dragons being more like birds probably aren't as heavy as horses anyways and would need to be much larger to carry the weight of a human. But hey, I'm just speculating here as a childhood Dragonriders of Pern fan haha. Also, the dragons in A Dance with Dragons (ugh I can hardly type that without sad feels for Shireen again) did die, and often. They were killed in battle and they killed one another too - so sad. Those dragons were fully mature and the size of small airplanes. Drogon's still got quite a ways to go. Can you imagine how magnificent and fierce he will look in a few more years?! Agreed. And actually, on watching the scene again, the spears barely even penetrate his hide at all. The spears stuck, but the spearheads didn't go any further than about an inch deep (there is a sex pun in there somewhere...). They were so shallow that one of them just falls out when he starts to take his runner with Dany  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 2:36:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 2:47:37 GMT
They made her cape look right, I wonder why they didn't make her wig look like it was blowing back??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 3:04:08 GMT
They made her cape look right, I wonder why they didn't make her wig look like it was blowing back?? Yeah it's one of my minor nitpicks more than the CGI. I would have loved to see her hair come undone altogether, like in her messy Dothraki days, blowing in the wind behind her like her cape.  |
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) and then he was brutally murdered. He seemed like an innocent, peaceful and loving ex-slaver. Rest in Peace Hizdahr 
