[SPOILERS] Tyrion and Jorah: Talking about Dany

Barristan just advised her what to do with the Masters before. He didn't explain why to her. Here he explained why, and she is visibly horrified.

She can't be both dumbstruck-horrified by it and then go ahead and do that less than a handful of episodes later without reason because that's the only alternative. Whatever Daario, Barristan, Missandei... whatever any of them tell her will pale in comparison to knowing what happened to her family.

One of these scenes should just not exist. The real solution here would be to have her not get this advice, burn the wise master in 5.05, and then learn from Selmy on his deathbed what the Mad King did and cause Dany to be horrified and search for a better solution going forward. This becomes the catalyst for her marriage with Hizdahr rather than threatening people.

That would be good character development. What was written was not.

There really should have been a scene with Dany and Barry on his death bed. I doubt it was deleted scene, but considering Grey Worm saved him from getting his throat slit, I was expecting one last scene.

It's also kind of funny how they nearly kill everyone in Dany's storyline that's still alive in the books. Barristan, Rakharo, Irri, Pyat Pree, Xaro, Mago. Jhiqui is probably the Sons of the Harpy prostitute, but they'll probably kill her too.

It's never once insinuated that they had anything to do with the attacks...it's only ever insinuated that the father may or may not have.  And even if the story had, it wouldn't make a difference.  She doesn't know what they did or if they did anything in the first place.

And that's the problem.  What Dany orders ISN'T justice...it's revenge.  There is no justification for it.

If Dany wants to be a good ruler, then she's going to have to learn the difference.  She's going to have to learn that if she wants to promote a fair and equal society, then she's going to also follow the rules herself.

I was too actually. What was the point of Grey Worm stopping the final guy from slitting Barristan's throat otherwise?

Barristan, Mance, and all the others had to be killed off to provide time for the brilliant characters like Myranda, Olyvar, Ros, Olly, and all the other incredible characters the show has given us. Lol

I agree completely and really did think that was the point of that final scene where Grey Worm uses his last ounce of strength to gut the guy about to slit Barristan's throat. I figured they'd both get brought back to the pyramid on their death beds and both would have important things to say that would help Dany make a decision going forward. But instead, we get Barristan dead, Dany BBQ's a master, and Grey Worm kisses Missandei. I'm not going to complain too much in light of all the complaints already out there about other plots but it did feel cut off when there was ample opportunity to make Barristan's final moments alive really count for Dany's development as a leader.

Then she's just crazy, and she becomes an unrelatable animal.


...because she had no childhood being on the lam and the rest of her family was murdered because of those actions. It's the whole reason why Arya has turned from the Stark's honor system because she learned the same thing about the exact opposite way of living. Yes, Arya has experienced it, but that doesn't mean Barristan's tale is any more poignant to someone who has lived through her entire life and wondered why. She thought it was because of a cruel usurper, and she learns what she has believed was a lie from someone who knew. It's supposed to resonate because it's so drastic from what she has believed.

It's not about her turning to another choice because one didn't work, it's simply an option that is off the table. I don't think you can adequately understand what it must be like for someone to be troubled their entire life about losing their family, going through those hardships, then learning why, and suddenly ignoring the reason behind it to do the same things that killed them when it was presented so clearly. It's just crappy writing and it's why GRRM wrote it so Barristan doesn't tell her, but Barristan is a different Barristan in the books anyway and is not so much of a white knight as he is just a soldier.

If that is true (and I don't think it will be) then that is absolutely horrible character devolpment. There's a reason GRRM has saved that revaluation this long. It's going to have a profound effect on her.

Complete nonsense. She's burned exactly 1 person who crossed her. 1. MMD. She isn't her father's daughter at all (not in that sense anyway), we're told time and again she is more like Rhaegar than anyone else in her family. Barristan's whole Artisan Whitebeard ruse was for the exact reason of making sure she WASN'T her father's daughter.