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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 19:29:39 GMT
Please Bran, look into the past to see this in 6x01.   |
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Post by Basil on Jun 28, 2015 19:33:24 GMT
Love this art, by the way:  The Red Wedding was done brilliantly on the show, and Catelyn becoming catatonic was certainly a very powerful, haunting moment, but to be honest, I would have prefered if they had her go insane, like in the books. I think it's kinda heartbreaking how she doesn't really expect them to kill her too, she's almost a bit surprised, when somebody grabs her hair ("Don't cut my hair, Ned loves my hair."... this line  ). In the show, she seems much more ready and willing to die, she's almost like, "Do it, please do it now". Both versions are extremely powerful, but I love the glimpse of her insanity in the books, brilliantly foreshadowing Lady Stoneheart. Also I would have loved to see Fairley playing out the complete, mental breakdown of her character. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 20:11:41 GMT
Well, if she's in, this will be my reaction: 1.) Before the episode starts: "Is she in or is she not in? I pray that she is."  2.) During the episode, no sign of LSH: " I swear if she is not in, I'm not having this shit anymore." 3.) "Okay, so this is the end of the episode. WTF is happening? What is this?" 4.) "OMFG IT'S HER. IT'S FUCKING HER. SHE HAS RISEN!"  5.) "Finally! I can't believe this! I just can't believe this! After all these years...!"  6.) "Okay, calm down. Let me enjoy the scene."  7.) After the episode: "She is in, bitches. Deal with it."  |
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Post by Basil on Jun 28, 2015 20:41:10 GMT
I'd probably react like this:  And I doubt I'd be able to go back to my normal life afterwards. It would probably take me a few weeks to "recover" ... xD |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 28, 2015 21:01:23 GMT
Sadly, though, there will be nothing for us to react to  the show has hit us with this hammer many times already there is absolutely no reason to have hope anymore |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 21:05:44 GMT
Sadly, though, there will be nothing for us to react to the show has hit us with this hammer many times already there is absolutely no reason to have hope anymore Well, I agree that it is very, very unlikely at this point, but as I said there is still a little bit hope, because the show hasn't addressed her storyline and replaced it with something else yet. The Freys will be back, Jaime and Brienne have to meet, the Tullies and the BwB have to be dealt with as well. Only if these things happen and we still don't have LSH, I would say that there is no hope left. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 21:12:34 GMT
Well, if she's in, this will be my reaction: 1.) Before the episode starts: "Is she in or is she not in? I pray that she is." 2.) During the episode, no sign of LSH: " I swear if she is not in, I'm not having this shit anymore."3.) "Okay, so this is the end of the episode. WTF is happening? What is this?"4.) "OMFG IT'S HER. IT'S FUCKING HER. SHE HAS RISEN!" 5.) "Finally! I can't believe this! I just can't believe this! After all these years...!" 6.) "Okay, calm down. Let me enjoy the scene." 7.) After the episode: "She is in, bitches. Deal with it." The fact that pretty much any story or series of emotions can be told with a collection of Oprah gifs is really one of my favourite ever things. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 28, 2015 21:14:17 GMT
Sadly, though, there will be nothing for us to react to the show has hit us with this hammer many times already there is absolutely no reason to have hope anymore Well, I agree that it is very, very unlikely at this point, but as I said there is still a little bit hope, because the show hasn't addressed her storyline and replaced it with something else yet. The Freys will be back, Jaime and Brienne have to meet, the Tullies and the BwB have to be dealt with as well. Only if these things happen and we still don't have LSH, I would say that there is no hope left. Sorry, I think I am more of a creature of grief and sadness than you, Summer person. LSH's fate, just like Stannis, has been dancing in front of us since these character's introductions but we were blind to admit it because we had hope. Catelyn has always been a side character to Robb, so we should never have thought her second (and independent) arc would be there (just like Stannis has been a villain since he was introduced *on the show* so there was no reason to believe we would get redemption). This is production bias and the fandom will never be able to influence it |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 21:23:33 GMT
Well, I agree that it is very, very unlikely at this point, but as I said there is still a little bit hope, because the show hasn't addressed her storyline and replaced it with something else yet. The Freys will be back, Jaime and Brienne have to meet, the Tullies and the BwB have to be dealt with as well. Only if these things happen and we still don't have LSH, I would say that there is no hope left. Sorry, I think I am more of a creature of grief and sadness than you, Summer person. LSH's fate, just like Stannis, has been dancing in front of us since these character's introductions but we were blind to admit it because we had hope. Catelyn has always been a side character to Robb, so we should never have thought her second (and independent) arc would be there (just like Stannis has been a villain since he was introduced *on the show* so there was no reason to believe we would get redemption). This is production bias and the fandom will never be able to influence it But then again how do you explain all the LSH foreshadowing since the very first(!) episode of the show? Why did they do that if she was cut from the beginning? IMO cutting her was a late decision. It was probably after they had that meeting with GRRM. Nevertheless, they included a lot of foreshadowing even beyond the Red Wedding. I just binge-rewatched seasons 4 and 5 and honestly, it's irritating how often they include references to Catelyn, more often than to any other character, even Ned and Robb. |
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Post by Basil on Jun 28, 2015 21:39:25 GMT
By the way, who were these "friends in the north" the old woman was talking about? Brienne? Why was Sansa supposed to lit a candle? Just so that Brienne may come and rescue her? There were moments during Season 5, where I really believed that the old woman was in cahoots with the Brotherhood and that there was a bigger conspiracy behind it all. Sometimes, I was even foolish enough to hope that as soon as Sansa lit the candle, the Brotherhood would invade Winterfell (preferably at a moment when Bolton's forces are off fighting Stannis), capture Roose and hang him for his crimes at the Red Wedding, with Lady Stoneheart as the "witness", sort of mirroring the epilogue of Book 3, but instead Merrett Frey, it's Roose Bolton who's executed. Sadly, as we all know, this was just another pipe dream ...  |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 28, 2015 21:58:31 GMT
Yes, and again, you (like me, and many more) had hope based on nothing. There was no reason to believe the BwB was on the North. The Starks' "friends in the North" are Brienne and Pod, they were supposed somehow to infiltrate WF and save Sansa. No BwB. No LSH. No Manderly. We are seeing the show thinking it is the book when it isn't.
I did not know there were still believers on the LSH boat. I have already jumped from it, died on the sea, and came back as a retarded fool who talks in small jingles and songs. I will leave the thread, as I have nothing to add to it anymore (and sincerely I thought it was pretty much dead after we had an episode called Mother's Mercy with no signs of her)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 22:00:53 GMT
By the way, who were these "friends in the north" the old woman was talking about? Brienne? Why was Sansa supposed to lit a candle? Just so that Brienne may come and rescue her? She suffered from alzheimers and really had no idea where she was or what she was saying. |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 28, 2015 22:02:26 GMT
Sorry, I think I am more of a creature of grief and sadness than you, Summer person. LSH's fate, just like Stannis, has been dancing in front of us since these character's introductions but we were blind to admit it because we had hope. Catelyn has always been a side character to Robb, so we should never have thought her second (and independent) arc would be there (just like Stannis has been a villain since he was introduced *on the show* so there was no reason to believe we would get redemption). This is production bias and the fandom will never be able to influence it But then again how do you explain all the LSH foreshadowing since the very first(!) episode of the show? Why did they do that if she was cut from the beginning? IMO cutting her was a late decision. It was probably after they had that meeting with GRRM. Nevertheless, they included a lot of foreshadowing even beyond the Red Wedding. I just binge-rewatched seasons 4 and 5 and honestly, it's irritating how often they include references to Catelyn, more often than to any other character, even Ned and Robb. I agree that cutting her was a late decision. I do believe that during season 3 they had planned to introduce the character, because why introduce the BwB? Yes, you can say to give Gendry to Melisandre, to have the Beric and Hound fight, but their purpose was to demonstrate what Thoros could do with Beric. Catelyn's "We'll kill them all" and "Show them what it means to lose everything they love" to Robb, Bran's scary vision of Catelyn in early season 3...there was plenty of foreshadowing for the plot. Even Michelle's post season 3 interviews where she was like, "I have no idea... (about LSH)" Even at the season 4 Comic Con panel, they managed to have Craig Ferguson shut down an LSH question. I think with Jon, they've learned how to handle this type of situation by all being on the same page and asserting he's dead and gone....even though no one is buying it. I am just guessing as the writing/plot planning for the show evolved, they thought they could do without, I suppose. Not that I like it or agree with it. But I definitely think their plans changed at some point with LSH. |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 29, 2015 3:43:50 GMT
Please Bran, look into the past to see this in 6x01. God, poor Bran for having to witness that. BUT it would be a good way to include it. I'd cry happy tears if she got in. Literally, I would cry. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 29, 2015 13:21:13 GMT
I really had hope for her but Mother's Mercy killed it for me. If you don't put her in with a title like that then you're just trolling. I'm sad she's not in but it'll just be another thing that books readers will get and the show won't. Bringing her back now would look stupid because Jon's coming back too. 2 in the same season? Eh. They should have done it end S4-start S5.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 1, 2015 14:42:01 GMT
They should've ended S4 with it. They missed the perfect opportunity. I will never understand why they left her out. Even if she's not hugely important to the final act, she's more important than Grey Worm and Missandei's romance and all the other filler. Plus, why not use the wonderful Michelle Fairley? She could make it work.
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). In the show, she seems much more ready and willing to die, she's almost like, "Do it, please do it now". Both versions are extremely powerful, but I love the glimpse of her insanity in the books, brilliantly foreshadowing Lady Stoneheart. Also I would have loved to see Fairley playing out the complete, mental breakdown of her character. 
the show has hit us with this hammer many times already there is absolutely no reason to have hope anymore
