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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 20:54:02 GMT
I just had a very tragic sinking feeling about some of this... 1. Ramsay said "The North Remembers" to Sansa. FREAK OUT moment?? 2. The old man Brienne 'entrusts' with getting a message inside WF had the trademark ear flap cap and weasel look like a Frey as pointed out by AdmiralKyrd ... HINT?! 3. Myranda shows up at the base of the tower where Sansa is looking up - contemplating the old lady's candle idea... Coincidence? 4. Myranda also just happens to lead Sansa into the kennels to 'discover' Reek. This was definitely planned but only by Myranda to cause trouble or with Ramsay's coaxing? 5. Ramsay knew Theon was hiding something because HE set that up in #4 and was testing to see if Reek would still be loyal and tell him that Sansa found him. Reek can't possibly know Myranda was the one to send Sansa in there, so he passed the test with flying colors - hence Ramsay "forgiving him" ... it was a setup. I'm sure there are other clues here, but guys ... this is starting to look like a complete SET UP to me. The entire thing... "North Remembers" old lady, old man, all of it is being orchestrated by Ramsay to 'catch' both Theon and Sansa in some escape plot or at least to corner Sansa even if he believes Reek is fully still his minion. What if they're building this up on purpose ... getting us to believe a Stark can actually 'win' for once? Sansa rushes up to the tower to light the candle, and there's Myranda waiting, or worse ... Ramsay himself. I think I'd poop myself.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 20:56:55 GMT
I just had a very tragic sinking feeling about some of this... 1. Ramsay said "The North Remembers" to Sansa. FREAK OUT moment?? 2. The old man Brienne 'entrusts' with getting a message inside WF had the trademark ear flap cap and weasel look like a Frey as pointed out by AdmiralKyrd ... HINT?! 3. Myranda shows up at the base of the tower where Sansa is looking up - contemplating the old lady's candle idea... Coincidence? 4. Myranda also just happens to lead Sansa into the kennels to 'discover' Reek. This was definitely planned but only by Myranda to cause trouble or with Ramsay's coaxing? 5. Ramsay knew Theon was hiding something because HE set that up in #4 and was testing to see if Reek would still be loyal and tell him that Sansa found him. Reek can't possibly know Myranda was the one to send Sansa in there, so he passed the test with flying colors - hence Ramsay "forgiving him" ... it was a setup. I'm sure there are other clues here, but guys ... this is starting to look like a complete SET UP to me. The entire thing... "North Remembers" old lady, old man, all of it is being orchestrated by Ramsay to 'catch' both Theon and Sansa in some escape plot or at least to corner Sansa even if he believes Reek is fully still his minion. What if they're building this up on purpose ... getting us to believe a Stark can actually 'win' for once? Sansa rushes up to the tower to light the candle, and there's Myranda waiting, or worse ... Ramsay himself. I think I'd poop myself. Great, now I'm going to live in fear for her every week  |
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Post by Nezzer on May 13, 2015 20:59:45 GMT
I just had a very tragic sinking feeling about some of this... 1. Ramsay said "The North Remembers" to Sansa. FREAK OUT moment?? 2. The old man Brienne 'entrusts' with getting a message inside WF had the trademark ear flap cap and weasel look like a Frey as pointed out by AdmiralKyrd ... HINT?! 3. Myranda shows up at the base of the tower where Sansa is looking up - contemplating the old lady's candle idea... Coincidence? 4. Myranda also just happens to lead Sansa into the kennels to 'discover' Reek. This was definitely planned but only by Myranda to cause trouble or with Ramsay's coaxing? 5. Ramsay knew Theon was hiding something because HE set that up in #4 and was testing to see if Reek would still be loyal and tell him that Sansa found him. Reek can't possibly know Myranda was the one to send Sansa in there, so he passed the test with flying colors - hence Ramsay "forgiving him" ... it was a setup. I'm sure there are other clues here, but guys ... this is starting to look like a complete SET UP to me. The entire thing... "North Remembers" old lady, old man, all of it is being orchestrated by Ramsay to 'catch' both Theon and Sansa in some escape plot or at least to corner Sansa even if he believes Reek is fully still his minion. What if they're building this up on purpose ... getting us to believe a Stark can actually 'win' for once? Sansa rushes up to the tower to light the candle, and there's Myranda waiting, or worse ... Ramsay himself. I think I'd poop myself. I'd love if it all turns out to be Ramsay's midfuck, but unfortunately I believe that "light up a candle in the tower" is Brienne's message being relayed anonymously. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:00:06 GMT
I just had a very tragic sinking feeling about some of this... 1. Ramsay said "The North Remembers" to Sansa. FREAK OUT moment?? 2. The old man Brienne 'entrusts' with getting a message inside WF had the trademark ear flap cap and weasel look like a Frey as pointed out by AdmiralKyrd ... HINT?! 3. Myranda shows up at the base of the tower where Sansa is looking up - contemplating the old lady's candle idea... Coincidence? 4. Myranda also just happens to lead Sansa into the kennels to 'discover' Reek. This was definitely planned but only by Myranda to cause trouble or with Ramsay's coaxing? 5. Ramsay knew Theon was hiding something because HE set that up in #4 and was testing to see if Reek would still be loyal and tell him that Sansa found him. Reek can't possibly know Myranda was the one to send Sansa in there, so he passed the test with flying colors - hence Ramsay "forgiving him" ... it was a setup. I'm sure there are other clues here, but guys ... this is starting to look like a complete SET UP to me. The entire thing... "North Remembers" old lady, old man, all of it is being orchestrated by Ramsay to 'catch' both Theon and Sansa in some escape plot or at least to corner Sansa even if he believes Reek is fully still his minion. What if they're building this up on purpose ... getting us to believe a Stark can actually 'win' for once? Sansa rushes up to the tower to light the candle, and there's Myranda waiting, or worse ... Ramsay himself. I think I'd poop myself. Great, now I'm going to live in fear for her every week And here we thought the wedding night would be the most horrific event. Having Ramsay stroll out of the shadows of that tower room in Sansa's candlelight would be the THING OF NIGHTMARES for most of us!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:02:49 GMT
I'd love if it all turns out to be Ramsay's midfuck, but unfortunately I believe that "light up a candle in the tower" is Brienne's message being relayed anonymously. I was wondering what you would think of my wild theory because it seems like the stuff of your dreams.  You really think the candle-lighting thing and the weird old dude in the Inn/house where Brienne and Pod are staying is legit? I would feel a tiny bit better if you did...or you're MESSING with us too and trying to pass it off as nothing! *grabs tinfoil hat* |
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Post by Nezzer on May 13, 2015 21:07:52 GMT
I was wondering what you would think of my wild theory because it seems like the stuff of your dreams. You really think the candle-lighting thing and the weird old dude in the Inn/house where Brienne and Pod are staying is legit? I would feel a tiny bit better if you did...or you're MESSING with us too and trying to pass it off as nothing! *grabs tinfoil hat* It is the stuff of my dreams because Ramsay has been a bit too tame  I suppose there must be something more horrible for her in store other than her wedding night. Something has to put her in a desperate enough situation to trigger her escape attempt, casting all of her plans aside. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 13, 2015 21:09:50 GMT
Still, the Old Woman is supposed to eventually navigate Brienne through "dangerous territory," yes?
I feel like they all might be being setup
With the Last Hearth drop and this guy likely being a Frey, I'm hopeful Winterfell goes from calm to chaos in a few episodes. Hopefully this guy turns out to be Hosteen Frey and the Greatjon shows up next episode for the wedding.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:13:48 GMT
Still, the Old Woman is supposed to eventually navigate Brienne through "dangerous territory," yes? I feel like they all might be being setup With the Last Hearth drop and this guy likely being a Frey, I'm hopeful Winterfell goes from calm to chaos in a few episodes. Hopefully this guy turns out to be Hosteen Frey and the Greatjon shows up next episode for the wedding. Right, I'm saying the whole thing could be a 'set up' for everyone involved, not that the old woman is actually a Ramsay minion. She could be an ignorant pawn along with everyone else to set up the trap. It's just too heartbreaking to think about but when you mentioned the old man looking like a Frey, that's when the lego bricks started clicking together for me that maybe it's more than the rescue we think it's going to be.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:18:22 GMT
Still, the Old Woman is supposed to eventually navigate Brienne through "dangerous territory," yes? I feel like they all might be being setup With the Last Hearth drop and this guy likely being a Frey, I'm hopeful Winterfell goes from calm to chaos in a few episodes. Hopefully this guy turns out to be Hosteen Frey and the Greatjon shows up next episode for the wedding. I think "likely" is a bit of a stretch. A random Frey in cahoots with the Boltons serving Brienne her dinner in an inn just outside of Winterfell feels awfully convenient. It's going to take more than an earcap hat to make me think he's a Frey. |
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Post by King Tommen on May 13, 2015 21:28:57 GMT
This whole line of speculation is much more in line with the Talisa/Lannister honeypot stuff which was people seeing things they wanted to see mostly.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:29:34 GMT
Still, the Old Woman is supposed to eventually navigate Brienne through "dangerous territory," yes? I feel like they all might be being setup With the Last Hearth drop and this guy likely being a Frey, I'm hopeful Winterfell goes from calm to chaos in a few episodes. Hopefully this guy turns out to be Hosteen Frey and the Greatjon shows up next episode for the wedding. I think "likely" is a bit of a stretch. A random Frey in cahoots with the Boltons serving Brienne her dinner in an inn just outside of Winterfell feels awfully convenient. It's going to take more than an earcap hat to make me think he's a Frey. I hope you're right. They've done some serious plot stretching recently with the 'convenient' and 'coincidental' arrival of characters in the same exact vicinity as one another (LF, Sansa, Brienne and Pod all walk into a tavern ...sounds like a bad joke amirite?)  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:31:00 GMT
This whole line of speculation is much more in line with the Talisa/Lannister honeypot stuff which was people seeing things they wanted to see mostly. Oh give me a break. I never bought into any weird theories about Talisa or secret Lannisters, not ever. Even I have standards! This isn't that bad of a speculation. You have to admit it was a little weird for Ramsay to tell Sansa "The North Remembers" and it was just coincidence?? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:34:55 GMT
The Lannister Honeypot theory isn't something I theorised (or was even aware of) myself, but in hindsight I think it would have been awesome if it were true  It also wouldn't have been a tremendous stretch from the books Jeyne's mother's involvement? |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 13, 2015 22:31:34 GMT
One thing with regards to your theory Envie, I was listening to the History of Westeros Podcast Book spoilers episode just now, and they brought up both the Frey cap and the theory Ramsay had Myranda do this as a test.
One thing Aziz does is take a quote from Iwan who plays Ramsay and he says something to the effect that Ramsay has to deal with Reek seeing Sansa inadvertently, and he has to change his plan or something.
It's around 1:26 in the video.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 22:51:20 GMT
I really don't think that guy's a Frey, despite the cap. There's no reason that a Frey would hang around in Winterstown running an inn on the offchance that someone trying to rescue Sansa from Winterfell would show up there. What's more likely is that they recycled a costume element that had been used for the Freys when throwing together that guy's outfit.
I think he and Stella McCusker's serving woman character are genuinely loyal to the Starks and will play a part in Sansa's rescue.
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Post by King Tommen on May 13, 2015 23:00:23 GMT
Also, I think it's show-cannon that the Frey's stayed put in the Twins after the Red Wedding and did not join up with Roose's army. They probably didn't want to confuse the issue since the Frey's will most likely get dealt with on their own eventually.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:29:01 GMT
One thing with regards to your theory Envie, I was listening to the History of Westeros Podcast Book spoilers episode just now, and they brought up both the Frey cap and the theory Ramsay had Myranda do this as a test. One thing Aziz does is take a quote from Iwan who plays Ramsay and he says something to the effect that Ramsay has to deal with Reek seeing Sansa inadvertently, and he has to change his plan or something. It's around 1:26 in the video. Thanks for this link. Maybe later tonight I'll get some time to listen to the whole thing because it's a long one. I think I read that bit Iwan Rheon said about having to think up a new plan because he wasn't ready for Sansa to see Reek yet so maybe you're right and Myranda acted on her own in that scene. I felt like maybe Ramsay put her up to it to test both Sansa and Theon a little. How did Ramsay know Reek was hiding something to "forgive" in that scene? Seemed odd to me. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 14, 2015 0:53:01 GMT
Does anyone know what Davos was whittling when Stannis ordered the march?
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Post by King Tommen on May 14, 2015 1:06:01 GMT
Does anyone know what Davos was whittling when Stannis ordered the march? Probably a shiv for Melisandre. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 2:25:30 GMT
Does anyone know what Davos was whittling when Stannis ordered the march? It looked like a wooden wolf to me. Which I guess could be taken as some sort of Rickon foreshadowing if they go there. Or it could just be a symbolic reminder that they're going to WF. |
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It also wouldn't have been a tremendous stretch from the books Jeyne's mother's involvement?