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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 15:02:47 GMT
I loathe myself for saying this but I feel like losing Shireen would be Stannis' true downfall. Not that he wants to be king just for her but he says it himself if he dies to put her on the throne. Even if he takes Winterfell, but finds out they burned Shireen? Ooohh no. He'll be ruined without his daughter and heir. She's the key to his drive for the throne whether he realizes it or not. I MADE MYSELF SAD He would go mad with grief or something. She's probably the only person that he cares about atm. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 29, 2015 5:56:46 GMT
Do we know if Sam and Gilly leave the Wall this year? Perhaps Jon sends Shireen with them to keep her safe, in light of whatever is going on on the Wall? And Selyse insists on staying behind?
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 29, 2015 6:03:37 GMT
Do we know if Sam and Gilly leave the Wall this year? Perhaps Jon sends Shireen with them to keep her safe, in light of whatever is going on on the Wall? And Selyse insists on staying behind? There's no indication either way although they did have Sam say in E1 that he would stay with Gilly if she were forced to leave. However, that was in anticipation of Thorne becoming LC and sending Gilly away and it the conversation could have just been there to underline how important it was for Sam not to have Thorne elected. All we know about the Wall from here on out (besides Aemon's probably dying in E5) is the Hardhome attack in E8 and it doesn't look like Sam's a part of that. So conceivably, he could be sent away with Gilly (and maybe Shireen). They did have the scene where Shireen and Gilly were bonding so perhaps that's to set up them all leaving together in order to get her away from danger/Selyse. I happen to believe that that the Oldtown trip isn't going to happen on the show but perhaps they find a reason to go to Braavos. That's at least a known location and has other characters they can interact with. We'll see. |
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2015 12:05:20 GMT
What do you guys think is more likely - Shireen being burned alive OR Stannis finding out she is to be burned alive, arriving and killing both Melisandre and Selyse?  |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 4, 2015 12:28:12 GMT
I've watched Elio's video on episode 4 and he seems to be speculating that, if Stannis perhaps dies at Winterfell, Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen to bring him back. He does however think that is not the case in the books and that "someone else" will be resurrected. It's an interesting theory, though I personally don't believe it myself (probably because I'm in denial about Brienne  ) |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 4, 2015 13:10:26 GMT
I've watched Elio's video on episode 4 and he seems to be speculating that, if Stannis perhaps dies at Winterfell, Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen to bring him back. He does however think that is not the case in the books and that "someone else" will be resurrected. It's an interesting theory, though I personally don't believe it myself (probably because I'm in denial about Brienne ) Wow that sounds plausible. For the show. I'll throw up though.
It could even be possible for the books too. As of ADWD Stannis is "dead" and Jon will soon be "dead". Melisandre could try to ressurect Stannis and gets Jon instead. The only mix up there is Stannis is probably alive and will find out. Which is so much better for the story I think. I'd rather Stannis lose Winterfell because he runs back for Shireen than lose it from dying. But that's my bias showing.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 4, 2015 13:16:55 GMT
I've watched Elio's video on episode 4 and he seems to be speculating that, if Stannis perhaps dies at Winterfell, Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen to bring him back. He does however think that is not the case in the books and that "someone else" will be resurrected. It's an interesting theory, though I personally don't believe it myself (probably because I'm in denial about Brienne ) Wow that sounds plausible. For the show. I'll throw up though.
It could even be possible for the books too. As of ADWD Stannis is "dead" and Jon will soon be "dead". Melisandre could try to ressurect Stannis and gets Jon instead. The only mix up there is Stannis is probably alive and will find out. Which is so much better for the story I think. I'd rather Stannis lose Winterfell because he runs back for Shireen than lose it from dying. But that's my bias showing.
I want that to happen, but I kinda doubt it will, just because I don't think George is as much a Stannis fan as "some others" |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 4, 2015 14:20:28 GMT
Oh, somebody on another thread just gave me an idea: Selyse tries to burn Shireen, at least "takes custody" of her while Jon's away at Hardhome. Seeing this, Sam and Gilly try to stop it by perhaps grabbing Shireen away. That's why we see Selyse on the ground - Sam has taken Shireen away from her. They kinda built up a friendship between the three in episode 2, but my only problem would be where they would go.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:59:30 GMT
Oh, somebody on another thread just gave me an idea: Selyse tries to burn Shireen, at least "takes custody" of her while Jon's away at Hardhome. Seeing this, Sam and Gilly try to stop it by perhaps grabbing Shireen away. That's why we see Selyse on the ground - Sam has taken Shireen away from her. They kinda built up a friendship between the three in episode 2, but my only problem would be where they would go. I think there's a very good chance this is what happens. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 4, 2015 15:03:28 GMT
Not a chance in hell they're going to kill her, let alone burn her alive. Stannis, though... I believe his days are numbered. Brienne is coming  Yeah, Brienne is more dangerous than the Faith Militant, Dragons and the Winter at this point. But Shireen will be saved from Crazy Mama by Sam, I hope. |
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2015 15:08:20 GMT
Oh, somebody on another thread just gave me an idea: Selyse tries to burn Shireen, at least "takes custody" of her while Jon's away at Hardhome. Seeing this, Sam and Gilly try to stop it by perhaps grabbing Shireen away. That's why we see Selyse on the ground - Sam has taken Shireen away from her. They kinda built up a friendship between the three in episode 2, but my only problem would be where they would go. The thing is though that to me that shot of Shireen seems horrified and the Baratheon soldiers behind her do nothing. Why would they do nothing if it's Sam and Gilly and not try to stop them and support their Queen? Unless it's the King intervening... |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 4, 2015 15:16:23 GMT
Oh, somebody on another thread just gave me an idea: Selyse tries to burn Shireen, at least "takes custody" of her while Jon's away at Hardhome. Seeing this, Sam and Gilly try to stop it by perhaps grabbing Shireen away. That's why we see Selyse on the ground - Sam has taken Shireen away from her. They kinda built up a friendship between the three in episode 2, but my only problem would be where they would go. The thing is though that to me that shot of Shireen seems horrified and the Baratheon soldiers behind her do nothing. Why would they do nothing if it's Sam and Gilly and not try to stop them and support their Queen? Unless it's the King intervening... Well, that leads to the question of: why are the guards doing nothing if their queen is lying on the ground? Could be a simple error in filming, or just delayed reactions. And I doubt Stannis comes back (at least this season). But the men left behind aren't all Queen's Men - there could be some who think their queen is batshit crazy - maybe Sam gives a speech about how this is all stupid and they should believe in the Gods they were raised with. Then again, we're all practically Jon Snow when it comes to this season |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 4, 2015 15:37:26 GMT
Oh, somebody on another thread just gave me an idea: Selyse tries to burn Shireen, at least "takes custody" of her while Jon's away at Hardhome. Seeing this, Sam and Gilly try to stop it by perhaps grabbing Shireen away. That's why we see Selyse on the ground - Sam has taken Shireen away from her. They kinda built up a friendship between the three in episode 2, but my only problem would be where they would go. I would love this but I doubt it would happen. Jon will be ressurected. Someone has to die for it to happen. Unless of course we're all dumb and Jon doesn't die, therefore no ressurection. But I doubt it. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 4, 2015 15:39:09 GMT
Oh, somebody on another thread just gave me an idea: Selyse tries to burn Shireen, at least "takes custody" of her while Jon's away at Hardhome. Seeing this, Sam and Gilly try to stop it by perhaps grabbing Shireen away. That's why we see Selyse on the ground - Sam has taken Shireen away from her. They kinda built up a friendship between the three in episode 2, but my only problem would be where they would go. I would love this but I doubt it would happen. Jon will be ressurected. Someone has to die for it to happen. Unless of course we're all dumb and Jon doesn't die, therefore no ressurection. But I doubt it. True, though she's still there when Jon gets back. Assuming the Pink Letter is in, I think your theory for the books above is pretty plausible for the show. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 4, 2015 15:45:05 GMT
I would love this but I doubt it would happen. Jon will be ressurected. Someone has to die for it to happen. Unless of course we're all dumb and Jon doesn't die, therefore no ressurection. But I doubt it. True, though she's still there when Jon gets back. Assuming the Pink Letter is in, I think your theory for the books above is pretty plausible for the show. That's how I see it happening. But you bring up a good point about the Pink Letter. If that's not it then who knows what will happen. In the show they made it seem clear that Mel wants something from Jon. Thinks he's important. But does she know why? Book Mel doesn't. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 4, 2015 15:52:12 GMT
True, though she's still there when Jon gets back. Assuming the Pink Letter is in, I think your theory for the books above is pretty plausible for the show. That's how I see it happening. But you bring up a good point about the Pink Letter. If that's not it then who knows what will happen. In the show they made it seem clear that Mel wants something from Jon. Thinks he's important. But does she know why? Book Mel doesn't. I think in the show she may suspect he knows why, or she thinks that by "getting to know him" she'll work it out herself, but for now he's resisting her; keeping her out. It's odd that they're taking her away from the Wall, and she's even urging Stannis to take her with him. Maybe when she leaves she'll say to Selyse: "The Lord of Light has taken an interest in him" and/or urge her to look into it. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 4, 2015 16:27:28 GMT
That's how I see it happening. But you bring up a good point about the Pink Letter. If that's not it then who knows what will happen. In the show they made it seem clear that Mel wants something from Jon. Thinks he's important. But does she know why? Book Mel doesn't. I think in the show she may suspect he knows why, or she thinks that by "getting to know him" she'll work it out herself, but for now he's resisting her; keeping her out. It's odd that they're taking her away from the Wall, and she's even urging Stannis to take her with him. Maybe when she leaves she'll say to Selyse: "The Lord of Light has taken an interest in him" and/or urge her to look into it. Yes Mel going makes no sense because she obviously comes back. What is the point of her leaving then? We'll have to see, I know, but its interesting to think about it. |
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Post by associatemaester on May 4, 2015 20:04:33 GMT
Yeah officially count me on the Shireen is going to get torched by Mel this season.  |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 11, 2015 2:04:33 GMT
So uh. Does this change anything? Talk with me friends.
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Post by associatemaester on May 11, 2015 3:37:09 GMT
So uh. Does this change anything? Talk with me friends. Uhh well not if you consider Davos' line to Shireen, we still have Selyse sobbing in the snow surrounded by ragged looking Baratheon soldiers, the burning tents, Chekov's Brienne lurking close to Winterfell, and Stannis is marching with his family against the house that FLAYS PEOPLE ALIVE.  |
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