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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 12:14:00 GMT
I don't think that's true at all. TD s1 had some great moments for sure but I thought it wasn't even close to the best works of last year. The Knick, Fargo and the Affair were WAY better for starters. Way tighter and more consistent. (And if we have to invoke GoT aggressively, yes, I think s1 of GoT was better than s1 of TD, along with s4 and s5). s1 of True Detective dipped after the midseason. The question now is whether its high points were because of Cary Fukunaga or because of Nic. And of course Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson deserve as much praise.
Now I'm not shitting on s2. I like it so far but at times the writing is VERY stuffy. Very stilted. And it was in s1 too, it just seemed somewhat more natural given the accents, which can sell more archaic-sounding dialogue better for whatever reason.
You know very well that's as attributable to genre-prejudice as anything else. And the Wire never won shit, so awards alone don't bespeak quality. As for the plagiarism, he was accused of that by a philosopher whose work he utilized heavily in s1 IIRC. So that's no small thing.
Completely disagree wrt The Knick, Fargo, and The Affair. All good shows for sure, but not as good as TD S1. I think people will still be talking about Rust Cohle and Marty for years to come, those other shows not so much. And yes awards don't mean everything, as you pointed out with The Wire (though that never won anything due to being filmed entirely in Baltimore outside the Hollywood machine), but let's be honest you can't just blame GoT lack of success on winning meaningful (acting, writing, direction) awards on genre bias. The Return of the King won the Oscar for best picture. So it's not unheard of. They sure won't be talking about Paul and Frank. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:35:16 GMT
Completely disagree wrt The Knick, Fargo, and The Affair. All good shows for sure, but not as good as TD S1. I think people will still be talking about Rust Cohle and Marty for years to come, those other shows not so much. And yes awards don't mean everything, as you pointed out with The Wire (though that never won anything due to being filmed entirely in Baltimore outside the Hollywood machine), but let's be honest you can't just blame GoT lack of success on winning meaningful (acting, writing, direction) awards on genre bias. The Return of the King won the Oscar for best picture. So it's not unheard of. They sure won't be talking about Paul and Frank. Ray is an extremely interesting character. Nothing can touch MM & WH together, but Ray and Ani have a lot of potential for greatness in the remaining 5 episodes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 20:28:16 GMT
BTW they figure out some interesting stuff on the True Detective subreddit. For instance, the girl who was topless in the pool at the Mayor's house in ep. 203 was the same girl that told Frank about Caspere's house in Hollywood in ep. 202. Which is suspicious, I'd say.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jul 8, 2015 20:30:27 GMT
Yeah I saw that. That reddit geeks me out with everyone playing detective
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 23:31:08 GMT
They also have a screencap of the guy dragging out Caspere's body in ep. 201, so that might be helpful in figuring things out.
But yeah, they tend to be like some ASOIAF fans over there on the True Detective subreddit with their over-elaborate theories. Reading so many of those theories led very directly to my being disappointed with last year's finale because I expected things to come together a little more grandly (though obviously that's not what they were going for with the show). So maybe I should stay away from there when we get closer to the finale. Either way, it's kind of cool to see people trying their hand at figuring everything out when we're only three episodes in.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jul 9, 2015 0:23:52 GMT
Yeah I agree it's cool that people are so into it, definitely the most enthusiastic place I've seen as far as feedback to season two goes
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 10, 2015 15:15:32 GMT
They also have a screencap of the guy dragging out Caspere's body in ep. 201, so that might be helpful in figuring things out. But yeah, they tend to be like some ASOIAF fans over there on the True Detective subreddit with their over-elaborate theories. Reading so many of those theories led very directly to my being disappointed with last year's finale because I expected things to come together a little more grandly (though obviously that's not what they were going for with the show). So maybe I should stay away from there when we get closer to the finale. Either way, it's kind of cool to see people trying their hand at figuring everything out when we're only three episodes in. Yeah, I remember that theory about Rust's oldest daughter possibly being a victim, with the way she staged her dolls, and some of her drawings she had on the walls. It sounded so plausible....then nothing. lol |
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Post by flintstonebearer on Jul 13, 2015 2:05:58 GMT
OK, now that pushes *bust gone wrong* to a whole new level.
Fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 3:25:24 GMT
Damn....that ending was nuts!  Looks like NP is big on having episode 4 being his big action episode. Hopefully episode 5 will be as good as last season's. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 3:42:45 GMT
And Jeremy Podeswa directed it too. So much for people saying he can't direct action scenes.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 13, 2015 3:44:08 GMT
That ending was intense! I like how it had a lot of cuts compared to the long take from last season. It was so well done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 3:49:51 GMT
They're lucky Woodrugh (I think that's how you spell it) is a veteran otherwise I don't see how they could've survived that kindof firefight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 3:52:22 GMT
RIP Dan Dority...I mean Dixon.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 3:55:58 GMT
RIP Dan Dority...I mean Dixon. Yeah, that was abrupt. I thought we'd see more of him for sure. Poor guy. He just wanted to get trashed at work and be corrupt. He didn't see that one coming.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 3:59:03 GMT
How hot did Kelly Reilly look in that white dress at the end too?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 4:44:13 GMT
This show is a hot mess lol. Good shootout though.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 13, 2015 5:36:30 GMT
I'm kind of glad that douchey fat cop got shot. Good riddance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 6:07:14 GMT
There's a pretty funny post on the True Detective subreddit called, "Marty has some advice for Frank" which is a link to this gif.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 7:26:09 GMT
Man do I miss Marty and Rust |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 8:14:46 GMT
I do still think Vaughn's doing well. I think it's his dialogue that's too stylized, not what he's doing with it.
I did enjoy him saying he'd never had any cavities btw. I've never had one either and floss every day, so I enjoy someone else bragging in a TV show along the same lines that I often do in real life.
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