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Post by day dreamer on Jul 31, 2017 0:45:55 GMT
Rate and review tonight's episode!
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Post by Zadeth on Jul 31, 2017 2:10:38 GMT
It was coasting at a 7 for me the whole way through, but seeing Highgarden and Olenna's final scene it's a 9/10 for me.
It's a real bittersweet moment for me - the show Tyrells are all dead now (thankful for some, but mostly saddened at them), but Olenna's final scene was outstanding. I wish there had been a Tyrell theme as we saw Highgarden, that is the one thing I am sad I never got from the show.
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Post by The Rose of Winter on Jul 31, 2017 3:09:20 GMT
I gave it a seven. I liked the episode, but all they are doing is talking and no one is really doing anything. Then when they have the opportunity to do something, they do more talking than anything else once again. Plus they did a voice over of Tyrion with all the Casterly Rock scenes. Note to director. If you need a voice over then you are not doing your job.
I am expecting some great things, since they are obviously conserving money at this point. I feel certain I will get those great scenes, but right now I'm rather aggravated.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 31, 2017 3:50:11 GMT
9
LIKES
*Davos during Dany and Jon's meeting. He was my MVP
*BRAN AND SANSA!
*I really loved that version of The Rains of Castamere that played during the Highgarden scene. It was lovely.
*Euron being a rock star and calling Theon a twat. I also like that he didn't allude to raping Yara like the spoiler guy said. It would've ruined the whole thing.
*Bye Sandsnake.
*Jorah being all "I woke up in the morning feeling like P. Diddy."
*Olenna getting to talk some shit before she goes.
DISLIKES
*Cersei and Jaime's love scenes are always so cringey and weird.
*Dany got on my nerves during that meeting, thankfully Davos made the save.
*I really hope ZenBran isn't forever. I get why they're doing it but they're limiting Isaac when he's such a talented actor.
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Post by Basil on Jul 31, 2017 7:29:29 GMT
Didn't like it quite as much as the first two. There was some great stuff in it, but also some weirdness that I found a bit off-putting. The Sansa/Bran scene for instance did very little for me, which is INSANE, considering that I'm Team Stark all the way, and I love these two characters so much. I didn't like that they decided to portray Bran in this manner, it's not like he acted stoned out of his mind the last time we saw him. This is a big bummer, it could potentially ruin the character for me if they keep this up.
The meeting between Dany and Jon had some good lines, but in general, it felt a little bit contrived to me. My favourite part about it was probably Davos being just all-around awesome. They do have chemistry though, so even though I'm NOT a Jon/Dany shipper ... let's see where this goes. I guess I am open to the idea now.
Everything else was good, great even, but it didn't quite manage to move me the same way the first two episodes did, so 8.
Okay, 9. But only because they showed Jaime's bum.
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Post by Damorian on Jul 31, 2017 9:30:49 GMT
The way I feel about this episode right now,I couldn't be arsed with another in depth post-mortum of every plot thread, suffice it to say, three huge moments in this episode fell flat, IMO, so I'm gonna stick to those: 1) The dragon flyover devoid of awe & music (compare to the awestruck Tyrion first seeing one in S5?) kinda set the scene, IMO, for THAT long-awaited meeting between J & D being a bit of a damp squib. Just felt bizarrely listless and "slight" in what should've been a series highlight. Show Davos continually bailing him out, Dany being continually censorious, or Jon looking continually bored after arrival and guess what the audience starts to feel? Where was the score, the ambience, the mise en scene of fire & ice in how the scene was lit? Davos having absolutely no qualms with finding out Tyrion murdered his son? Yeah, that works ... Possibly the most all-round anti-climactic meeting of characters in the history of GOT. No-one was expecting "Fire in the Disco! High voltage!" to start playing as Jon approached the throne room. But no matter how good later episodes may turn out to be, people will remember the most sought after moment of S7 just wasn't especially memorable. This wasn't even on a par - writing or direction - with the scene she first met Tyrion. 2.) Don't pull creepy, mystic Bran-monk on us seconds after he and Sansa meet! Way to deny the audience the payoff of a major sibling reunion. At least give it a minute before he hits her with the three eyed raven BS. Talk about their father, mother, Arya - ANYTHING than the awful writing here, which made him look a selfish, blissed-out dickhead. (even if I loved her realisation leaving that his powers are probably real, he saw her wedding to Ramsay, and he's not just been hitting the mushrooms.) 3.) Did they REALLY just reduce TWO of the most anticipated S7 action scenes to five minutes of voiceover and montage?? Erm ... I guess they did. This made the short shrift Riverrun got in S6 look feature-length by comparison, when I thought they had MORE budget?? And no time for that moronic '110% overnight healing with no risk of residual infection' Jorah handshake, because .... (*drumroll*) .... SAVED BY QUEEN OF THORNS!!!  I mean, thank fuck for Diana Rigg in this episode. Seriously. No one expects the Spanish inquisition, no-one puts baby in the corner, and NO ONE out-thorns the queen of thorns.  "Checkmate, bitches."GOT at its best, the dialogue was always as explosive as any action scene and this moment proved that point. Well, I guess it had to in this case since the action stuff looked so damn rushed and cheap. All in all, another 7/10 here ~ but barring Olenna's exit, frankly, S7 continues to underwhelm me. Roll on something epic actually happening next week on the action score, because frankly half this season has been oversold on that front beyond belief.  |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 31, 2017 10:59:17 GMT
I’m giving this one a high 9. I didn’t think it was as great as last week’s but still excellent in its own right.
King’s Landing
Euron has hit his stride. Whatever doubts I had after 605 and 701 are now gone. Pilou is killing it.
I didn’t think I’d ever feel sorry for a Sand Snake, but Indira and Rosabell acted the scene perfectly, without even speaking a word!
Jaime and Cersei... I wasn’t expecting the incest to just go away, but hopefully that ends soon. Jaime saying “no” here is an obvious parallel to Cersei saying “no” in 403.
Dragonstone
I wasn’t as eagerly anticipating this as others, but it was really good! The meeting on the beach was great, the meeting in the throne room was great, Varys and Mel were great, Tyrion and Jon were great, Dany and Jon were great! I love seeing these characters interact for the first time, especially Davos and Tyrion. I was hoping for some Blackwater callback, and they delivered!
In short, excellent! No complaints at all!
Oldtown
Jim Broadbent is doing a really good job. I’m glad Sam’s getting more time this season because it means we get to see more of this new character.
Winterfell
Sansa walking around Winterfell giving orders was great. Some strong Catelyn vibes.
I think this is one of Sophie’s best episodes. The look on her face when she sees Bran was fantastic.
Of course Bran’s being a creepy bastard! He sees everything. That’s bound to change your personality a little.
Casterly Rock/Highgarden
I feel like the two castles looked a little underwhelming, but we’ve only ever seen fan-art of the two so I won’t judge it harshly.
I loved Tyrion’s callback to when he said he was put in charge of all the drains and sewers of CR. It’s just a shame Cersei’s one step ahead AGAIN. Not a good episode for Team Targaryen. Grey Worm’s days are surely numbered
An excellent ending for Olenna. As others have said, it’s always great to see Jaime talking with people other than Cersei. And Diana Rigg knocked it out of the park
Also, another great rendition of Rains of Castamere, both outside Highgarden and in the credits. Didn’t think Djawadi could find yet another way to mix up that theme, but he did!
Thinking about it, I may change the rating to a 10 after a rewatch. Too many great scenes.
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 31, 2017 11:03:41 GMT
I rated this one a 7/10 as well Damorian, you hit the nail on the head about why the Jon/Dany meeting was underwhelming, so I won't go into that too much. What did I like about it is that he did not bend the knee right away (which is what I expected him to do) and she did not believe him about the army of the dead (which seems natural) right away. Tyrion saved those talks by telling her there is nothing to lose by giving him the dragonglass. Either it works or it doesn't but by giving it to him, she's making a potential new ally. Davos was gold in all of his scenes there. The Sansa/Bran reunion was strange. I guess it was meant to be but of all the things Bran now knows, did he have to remind his sister of the night she was raped? Couldn't they have talked about Ned, Catelyn, Robb, Rickon or Bran telling her that ARYA IS ALIVE AND OUT THERE? Awful handy that Bran is like, "LOL, I'm the Three Eyed Raven, I can't be King in the North." (huge eye roll from me) It was awful writing, I am pretty sure Bran did not forget how to be human. Instead of reminding her of her rape, couldn't he have said, Ramsey deserved to be dog chow, way to go sis?? The Jaime/Olenna conversation was absolute perfection and the highlight of the episode for me. Olenna telling him by hitching his wagon to Cersei he's making a huge mistake. And admitting it about Joffrey at the end. Great stuff. Is Yara Euron's prisoner? Or Cersei's? I'm actually going to give Littlefinger some credit here (go play the lottery y'all): He gave Sansa some smart advice-looking at everyone as both an enemy and a friend. In Westeros, that's great advice. The battles of Casterly Rock and Highgarden reminded me of season 1 battles. With an increased budget, at the very least could we have seen one of them? Jaime wasn't even dirty for crying out loud. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 11:26:22 GMT
End of season 6: DANY IS GOING TO CONQUER WESTEROS MOTHERFUCKERS LOOK AT ALL HER ALLIES
D&D: LOL
8/10
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Post by Damorian on Jul 31, 2017 11:30:30 GMT
Exactly - season one "selected highlights" battles all over. Bar a few quick shots of ladders against walls and mediocre CG backdrops of ships, it was essentially the old tight-budget formula of: 1.)immediate troop arrival at castle walls. 2) Skip bulk of battle. 3.) immediate aftermath/flag waving of won conflict. Based on the trailer for next week, it's pretty clear the battle cash went on episodes 4 (and then 6.) The notion that every episode has huge Blackwater set pieces looks to have been pre-release spin at this point to sell the audience on fewer episodes. I think I twigged that pretty much from when (unlike Blackwater) the Greyjoy naval battle used fast cuts to obscure what was going on. Oh, and as you rightly point out kingeomer, Yara's ultimate fate this week was confusing. Though on the Greyjoy front, I'll concede that Euron’s delivery of "Did you see little Theon’s face before he jumped overboard? Ohhhh nooooo! What a twat!" was comedy gold and almost pushed my rating to an 8.  |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 31, 2017 11:38:56 GMT
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jul 31, 2017 11:44:33 GMT
Dany prob misses Barristan right now. Tyrion has left a lot to be desired as a wartime leading council
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 31, 2017 12:05:16 GMT
End of season 6: DANY IS GOING TO CONQUER WESTEROS MOTHERFUCKERS LOOK AT ALL HER ALLIES D&D: LOL 8/10 It feels like overkill at this point I think. They should preferably have made her seem less OP on leaving Meereen rather than this long string of defeats which feels too forced to me. I liked this episode better better than the previous two, but I'm still left underwhelmed by this season so far. Some highlights though: Emilia's acting seemed better in the scene where she meets Jon. Ocassionally slip into Season 4/5 deadpan but mostly good. Indira Varma is such a good actress, she is totally wasted on the role of Ellaria. Still, she completely killed her scenes and does her best with the shitty material provided. Really felt her defiance in the Throne room and later horror in the dungeon. Olenna was fucking awesome. Sad to see her go, but I'm glad she went out like a badass, rubbing salt in Jamie's wound by making him regret deciding to be merciful. Also, her calling Joffrey a cunt was fucking hilarious. Spat out my tea while watching that scene. Didnt like: Euron. The character and actor just aren't working for me at all. I hope he disappears quickly and quietly. The less we see the better. Bran and Sansa reunion. I don't like them having Bran all spaced out and emotionless, especially when none of his prior scenes indicated he was like that now. Also, "Hey Sansa, not seen you in years! What you been up to guuurl? Btw, I totally saw your wedding, you looked totes amaze. Shame about the lil' raping that went on afterwards." Like, even if he's emotionally detached surely he would know not to bring up that - especially in their first talk... Casterly Rock. That was...uninspired. Clearly they haven't distributed the budget very evenly between episodes. Anyone at all following Cersei, let alone cheering for her, just rings completely hollow/false to me and I doubt I will be convinced otherwise. Relatednto the above, Jaime still acting like Cersei's lovesick puppy is tiresome and not terribly believeable to me. NCW deserves better writing, as do many of the actors here. 7/10, for me, mostly for the better quality acting. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 31, 2017 12:15:48 GMT
Anyone at all following Cersei, let alone cheering for her, just rings completely hollow/false to me and I doubt I will be convinced otherwise. When I first saw the shot of people cheering Euron in the trailer I thought similarly, but I realised the applause is way too exaggerated to be genuine. Their "loyalty" is out of fear. Reminded me of something like this:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 12:26:27 GMT
i don't even know what to feel right now. I was super disappointed with the 'battles', i mean come on, its season 7 we deserve something better than what would be expected in season 1. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Dany's losing. But i find it really hard to believe Tyrion is not thinking more strategically than Cersei and Jaime. This should be Tyrion's jam, he is good at this stuff. However, what i like about the Highgarden and Casterly rock (disappointed with the castles btw) are the throwbacks to earlier seasons. - Tyrion knowing the plumbing of Casterly Rock and finally getting his father back for the treatment of him - Jaime talking about the Whispering Wood - Olenna talking about the despicable things she did for her family, and how this doesn't even compare to Cersei. The admittance for killing joffrey. Diana Rigg was amazing in that scene, going to miss the Queen of Thornes.  I also love Jaime's face when she said it, that moment of regret for believing Cersei when she accused Sansa and Tyrion but also relief that he had been right to free Tyrion. What i don't like about the battles is- i think Tyrion should have been there to take Casterly Rock (although not complaining about his scenes on Dragonstone they were excellent). It seems unbelievable to me that the Tyrell army was defeated so easily, Jaime looks like he didn't even fight. And mostly its as if they are giving Dany too many defeats- i'm over it. How can this be happening. I really loved all the scenes on Dragonstone. As well as in Kings Landing. Ellaria (Indira) and Cersei's (Lena) scene was amazing. Ellaria looked sexy as fuck, how is her stomach this flat at her age ?!?! Aside from that, it makes sense the Iron Bank want their money, so it makes sense for Cersei to hit Highgarden to get it. It doesn't make sense that the Iron Bank would support slavery LOL I actually though Euron was pretty hilarious. Don't see how the people would love him but i can accept it for now. Seems a weird turn around when their much loved High Sparrow was blown up. The short Theon scene was actually pretty great, almost forgot it happened. "If you tried you wouldn't be here" great line delivered by an actor who looked like he should be Victarion. I loved Sansa ruling the North. She was doing great. The scene with Bran was freaking weird. I mean i expect him to be a little out of it, but not to the point when you're bringing up Sansa's wedding night. So not Raven. And again Meera gets ignored ! this girl just dragged Bran's ass from the Wall to Winterfell. I think the scene b/w Sansa and Bran would have been better had Meera been there and explained a few things, because Bran sure did a shit job. Can't wait to see another dead scene between Assassin Arya and Sansa next week.  I thought i'd enjoy this episode more than i did. The conversations saved it, between Varys and Mel, Jon and Tyrion, Tyrion and Dany and Dany and Jon. Loved Dany softening up and calling Tyrion out for quoting himself. Liked Jon realising that he would not believe himself. Not so sure about Davos being so calm when he's standing in front of the man responsible for killing his sons. Wtf did Mel mean when she said "I have to die in this foreign land". Emphasis on the 'must' is this her prophecy or why does Varys. I'm intrigued by this. The Sam and Maester scene was excellent. So LOL at Jorah being cured so quickly. I would not shake that guys hand. |
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Post by Zadeth on Jul 31, 2017 14:07:25 GMT
It looks like Jamie put the poison in his own glass?? Likely a continuity error, but still.. Initially he pours it in Olenna's glass, then when the camera changes it is his.
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Post by lordcarson on Jul 31, 2017 15:07:47 GMT
It looks like Jamie put the poison in his own glass?? Likely a continuity error, but still.. Initially he pours it in Olenna's glass, then when the camera changes it is his. No, the out of focus glass is his. |
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Post by Zadeth on Jul 31, 2017 15:57:41 GMT
lordcarson my bad, I see it now that I have my glasses on. 
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Post by Enid on Jul 31, 2017 16:15:54 GMT
I give it an eight, despite having some great scenes the episode had some big flaws. The Casterly Rock and Highgarden sequences went by way too fast, they had no tension because they barely showed anything, and yet they had a long parade around KL that could have been cut and nothing would have been lost. Cut the parade and give the time and the money to the Highgarden and Casterly Rock scenes. Jon and Dany's first meeting coudl have been shorter too.
Tyrion including a way to conquer his home so he can bring prostitutes to his chambers makes no sense when he can just go to the nearest brothel.
Dany needs to stop talking about how great she will be at ruling Westeros. Is sooooo tiring to hear that discourse every two episodes.
And I don't like how cold and aloof Bran was with Sansa. Or how they went with the easy route of "Bran can't rule cause he has magical stuff to do".
I did enjoy Cersei not giving a fuck about people knowing she fucks her twin, the scene with Ellaria and Tyene was powerful and Lena nailed it, Tyrion and Jon's banter was great and Olenna's last fuck you was epic.
The problem was pace, we had some slow scenes (basically everything with Jon in Dragonstone) and other sequences suffered from lack of time.
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 31, 2017 17:20:21 GMT
Dany prob misses Barristan right now. Tyrion has left a lot to be desired as a wartime leading council I think Tyrion represents exactly what Jon is talking about...focusing on the throne when the real battle is against the White Walkers/Night's King/and friends. Tyrion is pretty much like, "let's kill Cersei!" As Jon accurately says, if you don't deal with the real threat there will be nothing for you to rule over in Westeros. Usually Tyrion has more foresight then what he has shown here but I think his siblings are his blind spot. A point that I read online and didn't think of: was Bran's weirdness with Sansa due to something he saw her do in the future that he didn't care for??? (I highly doubt that, but the comment is worth mentioning I suppose). |
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I mean, thank fuck for Diana Rigg in this episode. Seriously. No one expects the Spanish inquisition, no-one puts baby in the corner, and NO ONE out-thorns the queen of thorns.
I also love Jaime's face when she said it, that moment of regret for believing Cersei when she accused Sansa and Tyrion but also relief that he had been right to free Tyrion. 
