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Post by Basil on Aug 1, 2017 17:56:00 GMT
Dickon manwoody is my favorite asoiaf character
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Post by DaveyJoe on Aug 1, 2017 18:04:18 GMT
Dickon manwoody is my favorite asoiaf character  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 1, 2017 20:51:00 GMT
Give it a 9.
Although the bickering between Dany and Jon gets on my nerve, but i do understand what they are going for. Both of them have their points and do not understand the others, but they are going to compromise in order to make an alliance against WW and arguably Cersei. I love Davos' and Tyrion's moment in their scene as well. It's been a long time Tyrion talk something memorable since season 4 and did not make a wine joke there.
Love the Stark reunion. Sansa running to hug Bran and Bran being emotionless teared me up. I'm glad that they didn't make it predictable, but sad though.
KL scene. Euron is enjoying the hell out of it and i'm glad the Dorne finally end there. At least i'm glad Indira gave her final well performance before her character's death despite how butcher Dorne plot was.
Finally, Olenna died like a true boss. I will missed the old lady and i loved that she confessed of murdering Joffrey.
Overall, much better than the last episode. Every scenes are very enjoyable and merit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 22:11:22 GMT
Why is a Braavosi banker, from a city founded by escaped slaves, investing in the slave trade anyway? Maybe this is just a departure from the books, but if so it's one I really don't like. Also, a fortnight is a very short time to March an army cross-continent, take Highgarden and bring back the gold to pay their debts off... Also  @ Jorah's super speedy recovery. Now you might come back at me and say that it wasn't overnight because the show plays fast and loose with time, but Maester Slughorn specifically told Jorah 'I'll give you one more day.' I was also waiting for him to announce to Sam during his chastisement "you ought to be expelled from the citadel...which is why I'm awarding you 50 points for Grifyndor." (Because that is totally Sam's house) (for the sake of anyone who doesn't know, Jim Broadbent plays a professor in the HP movies, and was channeling his inner Dumbledore in that scene) Why did Tyrion knock over the Sunspear thingy on the map? Sure the Sand Snakes were killed and captured but Dorne is more than four women, right? What happened to Oberyn's entourage from Season 4? All those Dornish people who supposedly found Dorian Martel weak and clamoured for revenge? Did they just fade away? I liked Sansa's scene because I thought Sophie did a good job acting in it, but she suddenly seems an expert on far too much that the show has not demonstrated she should know. Like, is she really cleverer than every seasoned lord and all her armourers that she is the only one to think of covering the breastplates in leather? Does nobody else think of asking other castles to bring in their food supplies? edit: The Lannister army also seems remarkably unscathed considering how many defeats they suffered during the Wot5K. What's funnier is Euron sailing from KL to Casterly Rock in a fortnight They did establish that Oberyn has 8 daughters. Dorne should get a visit from Dany on her dragon and sort them out. It makes no sense for them to just be abandoned. There's a whole army there. Also find it hard to believe Cersei mobilised the lannister army, took out the provisions from casterly rock, jaime went to casterly rock to get the troops, picked up Randyll Tarly and attacked Highgarden in 2 weeks. Cersei's line should have just been "remain here, soon i will pay my debts" (well something like that) and not given a time-frame. Because it is beyond belief at this point. Sophie's thing can slightly make sense, she's spent 6 seasons observing others. She might know more about winter than the Vale lord, this new maester and Littlefinger. There wasn't actually northern lords present. I think those were Vale men. Yeh that last point is something my family noticed. They actually said "how do they have so many troops" and i was like I DON'T KNOW. Either Tywin was hiding a large part of his army or most of those men came from Randyll Tarly. As an aside, i thought Olenna and Cersei's lines this episode paralleled each other. Cersei: "I don't sleep much..." Olenna: "I haven't lost a wink of sleep" Kind of interesting as Olenna thought she was doing the right thing and was justified whereas it seems Cersei might be bothered more about her own behaviour and actions then she lets on. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 1, 2017 22:29:23 GMT
The bulk of the Lannister-Tyrell army hasn't fought since the Blackwater. Sure there would've been smaller battles like the one with Edmure and Gregor mentioned in S3, but it's pretty clear that otherwise there's not a lot of fighting at that time. I don't see how it's unreasonable for the Lannister army to be as big as it is. Edit: In fact they've had at least 8000 men since last season. I don't know why this wasn't a complaint then but it is now:  |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 1, 2017 22:30:55 GMT
Oberyn told Cersei in S4 he had 8 daughters in that scene where he was writing a poem for the youngest. Doran also said Ellaria was mother to four of them in S5.
I'm still bothered by the Bran thing, I really don't want D&D to ruin him for me lol.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 1, 2017 23:01:26 GMT
The bulk of the Lannister-Tyrell army hasn't fought since the Blackwater. Sure there would've been smaller battles like the one with Edmure and Gregor mentioned in S3, but it's pretty clear that otherwise there's not a lot of fighting at that time. I don't see how it's unreasonable for the Lannister army to be as big as it is. Edit: In fact they've had at least 8000 men since last season. I don't know why this wasn't a complaint then but it is now: It was a complaint then  eta: I wouldn't be so annoyed if it wasn't for the string of defeats for Dany becoming almost comical. This could easily have been avoided if she hadn't been made so OP leaving Meereen. It just feels like in the interim between seasons, the writers realised they made the scales to one unbalanced so magicked up some army for the Lannisters and orchestrated some questionable defeats for Dany |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 1, 2017 23:08:34 GMT
Oberyn told Cersei in S4 he had 8 daughters in that scene where he was writing a poem for the youngest. Doran also said Ellaria was mother to four of them in S5. I'm still bothered by the Bran thing, I really don't want D&D to ruin him for me lol. Forget Bran, poor Meera Sees untold horrors, loses her brother, fights the Dead/White Walkers, Drags Bran's ass halfway across a continent and no-one even gives her a greeting! Talk about under-appreciated. I wouldn't be shocked if we don't see much more of her this season actually |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 23:09:02 GMT
The bulk of the Lannister-Tyrell army hasn't fought since the Blackwater. Sure there would've been smaller battles like the one with Edmure and Gregor mentioned in S3, but it's pretty clear that otherwise there's not a lot of fighting at that time. I don't see how it's unreasonable for the Lannister army to be as big as it is. Edit: In fact they've had at least 8000 men since last season. I don't know why this wasn't a complaint then but it is now: I know it seems ridiculous, but there must be something to it if my unsullied family got that feeling... |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 1, 2017 23:32:56 GMT
At least Dany's losses are spread across multiple episodes and not jammed into the first 10 minutes of an already-packed finale. Believe me these defeats could be FAR worse.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 1, 2017 23:35:25 GMT
At least Dany's losses are spread across multiple episodes and not jammed into the first 10 minutes of an already-packed finale. Believe me these defeats could be FAR worse.  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 2, 2017 0:04:43 GMT
I don't see what's unbelievable about Dany not having an insta-win. Her just razing King's Landing and slaughtering anyone in her way isn't a good idea. Not only will tons of smallfolk die, the ones who survive will now hate her. I'm sure some great houses will not take too kindly to that approach, and rebel. So her just being badass and swooping in isn't a great idea.
Instead, she's trying to play it smart, and moral. She doesn't want to have to bury thousands of peasants to get what she wants. She has never taken the easy way out. They're spreading out, making alliances with powerful people, spreading roots. They're playing the long game, close in on Cersei from all sides. Keep it smart, keep it safe, keep it relatively clean.
That's where Cersei pokes holes. Cersei doesn't have the aversion to needless ultraviolence that Dany does. Cersei doesn't have the desire to be loved and accepted that Dany does. Cersei doesn't value other Great Houses, or the lives of the smallfolk, like Dany does.
Cersei's warring style is that of surprise attacks, tricks, and deceits. Blow them all up in church when they think they have the upper hand. Crush their fleet in the middle of the night when they least expect it. Lure them to a worthless castle and trap them there while attacking an undefended stronghold. Fuck, torture, and kill whoever is necessary to get what you want.
TLDR- it's not contrived, plot armor, out of character, cheap, etc etc etc. it's the nature of the characters involved and how they operate. Dany tries to remain morally upright, Cersei plays dirty.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 2, 2017 0:11:02 GMT
At least Dany's losses are spread across multiple episodes and not jammed into the first 10 minutes of an already-packed finale. Believe me these defeats could be FAR worse. Ok maybe I'm still a little bitter about that and everything else just seems tame in comparison |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 2, 2017 2:00:00 GMT
Oberyn told Cersei in S4 he had 8 daughters in that scene where he was writing a poem for the youngest. Doran also said Ellaria was mother to four of them in S5. I'm still bothered by the Bran thing, I really don't want D&D to ruin him for me lol. Forget Bran, poor Meera Sees untold horrors, loses her brother, fights the Dead/White Walkers, Drags Bran's ass halfway across a continent and no-one even gives her a greeting! Talk about under-appreciated. I wouldn't be shocked if we don't see much more of her this season actually Oh I never forget Meera. Meera is the MVP of this entire series. She deserves whatever she wants at this point. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 2, 2017 10:31:23 GMT
I don't see what's unbelievable about Dany not having an insta-win. Her just razing King's Landing and slaughtering anyone in her way isn't a good idea. Not only will tons of smallfolk die, the ones who survive will now hate her. I'm sure some great houses will not take too kindly to that approach, and rebel. So her just being badass and swooping in isn't a great idea. Instead, she's trying to play it smart, and moral. She doesn't want to have to bury thousands of peasants to get what she wants. She has never taken the easy way out. They're spreading out, making alliances with powerful people, spreading roots. They're playing the long game, close in on Cersei from all sides. Keep it smart, keep it safe, keep it relatively clean. That's where Cersei pokes holes. Cersei doesn't have the aversion to needless ultraviolence that Dany does. Cersei doesn't have the desire to be loved and accepted that Dany does. Cersei doesn't value other Great Houses, or the lives of the smallfolk, like Dany does. Cersei's warring style is that of surprise attacks, tricks, and deceits. Blow them all up in church when they think they have the upper hand. Crush their fleet in the middle of the night when they least expect it. Lure them to a worthless castle and trap them there while attacking an undefended stronghold. Fuck, torture, and kill whoever is necessary to get what you want. TLDR- it's not contrived, plot armor, out of character, cheap, etc etc etc. it's the nature of the characters involved and how they operate. Dany tries to remain morally upright, Cersei plays dirty. As I said, it feels so contrived because the writers made Dany so OP when she left Meereen, while Cersei was without any allies, and Euron was without a fleet. This would all be a lot more believeable if the two forces had been a bit more evenly balanced to begin with. Also, Cersei's successes rely a lot on the stupidity/naivety of other characters. Hence why veteran captains like Asha can be taken completely by surprise by Euron's big ass fleet (no lookouts at all? Um, no), why Highgarden is so pitifully protected, why Euron is again able to sneak up on what remains of the Unsullied fleet after flying over Westeros. It's all just little things, but they add up to a script that's is just too sloppy for me to really enjoy |
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Post by Enid on Aug 2, 2017 10:34:56 GMT
Yeah, even though it was a good idea to increase the pace for the season, it has also lead to some sloppy mistakes and moments that happen because the plot says so.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 2, 2017 15:34:46 GMT
I don't see what's unbelievable about Dany not having an insta-win. Her just razing King's Landing and slaughtering anyone in her way isn't a good idea. Not only will tons of smallfolk die, the ones who survive will now hate her. I'm sure some great houses will not take too kindly to that approach, and rebel. So her just being badass and swooping in isn't a great idea. Instead, she's trying to play it smart, and moral. She doesn't want to have to bury thousands of peasants to get what she wants. She has never taken the easy way out. They're spreading out, making alliances with powerful people, spreading roots. They're playing the long game, close in on Cersei from all sides. Keep it smart, keep it safe, keep it relatively clean. That's where Cersei pokes holes. Cersei doesn't have the aversion to needless ultraviolence that Dany does. Cersei doesn't have the desire to be loved and accepted that Dany does. Cersei doesn't value other Great Houses, or the lives of the smallfolk, like Dany does. Cersei's warring style is that of surprise attacks, tricks, and deceits. Blow them all up in church when they think they have the upper hand. Crush their fleet in the middle of the night when they least expect it. Lure them to a worthless castle and trap them there while attacking an undefended stronghold. Fuck, torture, and kill whoever is necessary to get what you want. TLDR- it's not contrived, plot armor, out of character, cheap, etc etc etc. it's the nature of the characters involved and how they operate. Dany tries to remain morally upright, Cersei plays dirty. Also, Cersei's successes rely a lot on the stupidity/naivety of other characters. Hence why veteran captains like Asha can be taken completely by surprise by Euron's big ass fleet (no lookouts at all? Um, no), why Highgarden is so pitifully protected, why Euron is again able to sneak up on what remains of the Unsullied fleet after flying over Westeros. It's all just little things, but they add up to a script that's is just too sloppy for me to really enjoy Well I think that's just how the two storylines were before the war started. Cersei didn't have time to be making alliances because she was a little busy trying to not get beheaded for treason lol. She wasn't preparing for war, why would she be? Daenerys was still in Meereen. After her coup, she was kind of thrust into conflict with this new invader. The Lannisters have been underestimating the threat Daenerys poses since like season one. Lol remember Cersei waving her off as a child halfway across the world, then rolling her eyes at "baby dragons"? So suddenly, Cersei finds herself in a very precarious position against a threat that has suddenly became very real. So, she's scrambling to even the odds, striking deals with psycho pirates and using #fakenews to turn Olenna's allies against her. I can't argue with Yara being uncharacteristically sloppy during Krakenbowl, althought she was a lil busy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). Maybe the lookouts are dead, and that's why they couldn't report back? Jaime took Highgarden by surprise, so the Tyrells were unprepared and probably undermanned. But still, that's quite a few dead soldiers on the ground lol.  some of them don't even have armor on, so they were clearly caught off guard. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 5:38:58 GMT
I don't see what's unbelievable about Dany not having an insta-win. Her just razing King's Landing and slaughtering anyone in her way isn't a good idea. Not only will tons of smallfolk die, the ones who survive will now hate her. I'm sure some great houses will not take too kindly to that approach, and rebel. So her just being badass and swooping in isn't a great idea. Instead, she's trying to play it smart, and moral. She doesn't want to have to bury thousands of peasants to get what she wants. She has never taken the easy way out. They're spreading out, making alliances with powerful people, spreading roots. They're playing the long game, close in on Cersei from all sides. Keep it smart, keep it safe, keep it relatively clean. That's where Cersei pokes holes. Cersei doesn't have the aversion to needless ultraviolence that Dany does. Cersei doesn't have the desire to be loved and accepted that Dany does. Cersei doesn't value other Great Houses, or the lives of the smallfolk, like Dany does. Cersei's warring style is that of surprise attacks, tricks, and deceits. Blow them all up in church when they think they have the upper hand. Crush their fleet in the middle of the night when they least expect it. Lure them to a worthless castle and trap them there while attacking an undefended stronghold. Fuck, torture, and kill whoever is necessary to get what you want. TLDR- it's not contrived, plot armor, out of character, cheap, etc etc etc. it's the nature of the characters involved and how they operate. Dany tries to remain morally upright, Cersei plays dirty. It's unbelievable because of the way it is occurring. Fireballs coming out of a portal hole and landing on every enemy ship (and the fact that fire wouldn't be seen in the open sea at night), Euron's invisibility cloak and Highgarden not being prepared because...? They were supposed to lay siege to kings Landing. Surely with the time-frame of the show the Tyrell army shouldn't even be in Highgarden anymore. Euron has shown skill in war, but Yara is commanding an Iron Fleet as well. They shouldn't have lost so easily. And to sneak up on the Unsullied fleet in broad daylight is ridiculous. The argument about the small houses and smallfolk not siding with Dany because some people of kings landing will die is flawed because the smallfolk seem positively ecstatic to be supporting Cersei and Euron who together just took out the High sparrow, all the Tyrells, Cersei's own uncle, Dorne leaders and the Ironborn. Not to mention Tywin organised the ravaging and raping in the Riverlands, the slaughter of the Starks- not only the nobles but all those in their army at the wedding. What i'm saying is why should the smallfolk in kings landing and/or the small houses of Westeros support the Lannisters who have already caused the slaughtering of innocents in pretty much every kingdom?!? What could Dany possibly do that is worse than that? The people support Cersei out of fear, Dany wants to have people's support out of love, but it's not going to happen overnight. Cersei's created a fear for Dany's foreign army and dragons amongst the people, she needs to conquer to garner respect and power over the people first and in the long run she can prove herself as a leader. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 3, 2017 10:47:25 GMT
I don't see what's unbelievable about Dany not having an insta-win. Her just razing King's Landing and slaughtering anyone in her way isn't a good idea. Not only will tons of smallfolk die, the ones who survive will now hate her. I'm sure some great houses will not take too kindly to that approach, and rebel. So her just being badass and swooping in isn't a great idea. Instead, she's trying to play it smart, and moral. She doesn't want to have to bury thousands of peasants to get what she wants. She has never taken the easy way out. They're spreading out, making alliances with powerful people, spreading roots. They're playing the long game, close in on Cersei from all sides. Keep it smart, keep it safe, keep it relatively clean. That's where Cersei pokes holes. Cersei doesn't have the aversion to needless ultraviolence that Dany does. Cersei doesn't have the desire to be loved and accepted that Dany does. Cersei doesn't value other Great Houses, or the lives of the smallfolk, like Dany does. Cersei's warring style is that of surprise attacks, tricks, and deceits. Blow them all up in church when they think they have the upper hand. Crush their fleet in the middle of the night when they least expect it. Lure them to a worthless castle and trap them there while attacking an undefended stronghold. Fuck, torture, and kill whoever is necessary to get what you want. TLDR- it's not contrived, plot armor, out of character, cheap, etc etc etc. it's the nature of the characters involved and how they operate. Dany tries to remain morally upright, Cersei plays dirty. It's unbelievable because of the way it is occurring. Fireballs coming out of a portal hole and landing on every enemy ship (and the fact that fire wouldn't be seen in the open sea at night), Euron's invisibility cloak and Highgarden not being prepared because...? They were supposed to lay siege to kings Landing. Surely with the time-frame of the show the Tyrell army shouldn't even be in Highgarden anymore. Euron has shown skill in war, but Yara is commanding an Iron Fleet as well. They shouldn't have lost so easily. And to sneak up on the Unsullied fleet in broad daylight is ridiculous. The argument about the small houses and smallfolk not siding with Dany because some people of kings landing will die is flawed because the smallfolk seem positively ecstatic to be supporting Cersei and Euron who together just took out the High sparrow, all the Tyrells, Cersei's own uncle, Dorne leaders and the Ironborn. Not to mention Tywin organised the ravaging and raping in the Riverlands, the slaughter of the Starks- not only the nobles but all those in their army at the wedding. What i'm saying is why should the smallfolk in kings landing and/or the small houses of Westeros support the Lannisters who have already caused the slaughtering of innocents in pretty much every kingdom?!? What could Dany possibly do that is worse than that? The people support Cersei out of fear, Dany wants to have people's support out of love, but it's not going to happen overnight. Cersei's created a fear for Dany's foreign army and dragons amongst the people, she needs to conquer to garner respect and power over the people first and in the long run she can prove herself as a leader. To add to this, Highgarden should not have fallen at all, even if "we were never good fighters" (which, wtf?) Jaime arrived with no siege equipment to attack a fortified castle that we are told is well supplied with food and gold. All Olenna had to do was sit tight, send a Raven to Dragonstone and wait for Dany to fly over and rain fire and blood on the besieging army. Even a small garrison should be able to hold a weak castle in a siege, and Highgarden does not look particularly weak. |
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Post by kingeomer on Aug 3, 2017 12:26:16 GMT
That's what I did not get about Highgarden. I thought they had a skilled army (wasn't Loras supposed to be a good fighter) and then this season Oleanna said "we were never good fighters." Then why was their army so desirable????
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@ Jorah's super speedy recovery. Now you might come back at me and say that it wasn't overnight because the show plays fast and loose with time, but Maester Slughorn specifically told Jorah 'I'll give you one more day.' 
