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Post by janicia on Apr 29, 2016 21:00:23 GMT
I assumed that abandoning her post would mean that Brienne lost her chance to find Sansa, and thus I was surprised when Brienne came to the rescue. I assumed that somebody would rescue Sansa, but I thought it would be random Northern loyalists, not Brienne. So that was an exciting moment to watch. And Brienne's victories are so badly outnumbered by her defeats that I was glad she got to find Sansa.
Also, death by Brienne wasn't a terrible end for Stannis. He died to a respectable warrior for a just reason, in a clean blow. Better than being picked off by Ramsay's men or somehow surviving and escaping to linger on in misery and irrelevance. In retrospect, I think Brienne killing Stannis was more about giving Stannis a proper end than it was about influencing Brienne's future.
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Post by janicia on Apr 25, 2016 19:21:14 GMT
Oh I see what you're saying, I misunderstood maybe. You're saying they're going to try and frame the entire thing on Jaime and the Lannisters? But how does that account for Myrcella's death after they left? This Dorne thing is so vague and confusing, I can't unravel a plot that makes sense. Well not exactly. This is my guess: 1. Doran's death is kept under wraps initially. Neither Ellaria nor Tyene, nor the guards that failed to guard have any interest in telling anyone about it. Ellaria will the pretend to be speaking for Doran. 2. Trystane was murdered in the port of King's Landing. HIS death will be blamed on the Lannisters, and Ellaria will use that to fire up the Dornish. 3. Once Trystane's murder has everyone sufficiently angry, only then will Doran's death be reported. It will be blamed on natural causes as he was known to be sick. 4. Heredity is an open question, but I simply do not see any of the Sand Snakes or Ellaria plausibly claiming leadership of Dorne. They will be the field commanders, assassins, spies and backroom players, never the figurehead. I agree that this is probably Ellaria's plan, and it isn't a terrible plan. (Except that I do think she is going to openly control Dorne because the hereditary stuff isn't as important in the show and most of the smaller houses don't exist so there isn't a big pool of smaller lords to step in when the big lords are killed). I also agree that the Dornish probably aren't going to get enough screen time for this to all play out, though maybe Tommen's small council will meet and talk through some of this, and maybe some will come up at the end of the season. These sorts of things are where I feel like the show is judged unfairly. If they show exactly what everybody knows and how they all feel about it (like Margary and Sansa's conversations with Olenna and LF after Joffrey's poisoning), it is plodding and too on-the-nose. But if they go for a bit of subtlety, like Cersei gritting her teeth and making nice with Tywin, Oberyn, and Margary to secure Tyrion's conviction, a hefty portion of the audience gets confused why Cersei is suddenly being so nice. Offscreen plots and schemes are a huge part of this story, and a lot of them have to stay offscreen because it would be really boring to show them. So sometimes big leaps happen, like the sand snake stuff and half of what Littlefinger does, and people jump to "plot hole". Which, sure, the plot skipped some steps. But it kinda had to in a lot of these cases.
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Post by janicia on Apr 25, 2016 16:38:41 GMT
One more thought about Trystane's murder, and why it wasn't crazy to kill Myrcella 1st and then kill Trystane later:
The Dornish are totally going to frame the Lannisters for Trystane's murder, and everybody will believe them. The Lannister's story is that right after their princess was assassinated by Dornish treachery, their Dornish hostage was mysteriously killed on a boat under Lannister control and nobody saw the assailants. It is going to be common knowledge that Jaime killed Trystane and lied about it, and that gives Ellaria a rallying cry for the Dornish.
Which might actually lead to Varys and/or Olenna underestimating Ellaria later on. They might think that the Dornish / Lannister hostilities were entirely provoked by the Lannisters, rather than realizing that the Dornish have been so assassination-prone.
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Post by janicia on Apr 25, 2016 14:26:38 GMT
Bran getting a new person to interact with would be good, if we're going to see much of him this season. But I don't feel like the northern arc needs two scary old wielders of magic. I guess Bloodraven could sacrifice his life for Jon, and then Melissandre could come take Bloodraven's place and finish Bran's training. Or maybe Melissandre goes up there to kill Bloodraven.
I do see the logic in splitting Melissandre away from Davos, Tormund, and Jon, who all hate and fear her.
I don't think the show is necessarily telling us that Doran is about to die in the books. Whether or not he lives, he's stuck in Dorne and the interesting things the Dornish do won't be in Dorne. With lines of communication so bad, Doran doesn't have a good way to communicate with his commanders on the ground, so they'll all be operating on their own initiative in their various missions. The show might just be saying that Doran isn't important anymore.
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Post by janicia on Apr 25, 2016 14:12:56 GMT
I wonder if Obara and/or Nymeria will just stay in Kings Landing rather than go back to Dorne? I was thinking that they might fill the role that Varys left vacant at the end of book 5, which could possibly start to redeem the characters. Pycelle and Kevan are reasonable targets for the Sand Snakes, now that I think about it. Pycelle betrayed Kings Landing into Tywin's hands, leading directly to the death of Elia, and Pycelle is the only one in Kings Landing that might have antidotes to their poisons. And Kevan is the best stand-in for Tywin. Anyway, since those two are attempting to do their jobs and lead the city, they're more vulnerable than Cersei and Tommen, who are probably going to be barricaded in the inner keep as much as possible. I liked that Tyrion and Varys went walking through the city without guards. It was bold, but Tyrion and Varys have audacious plans that can only be achieved by being bold. Also, Varys questioned the wisdom of the plan, which was clearly Tyrion's idea, but we already knew that Tyrion is semi-suicidal. Anyway their merchant disguise is probably better protection than guards, which would draw attention, which would mean they need more guards, which would make it impossible to survey the city as they wanted. Further, it really makes a point of the value that Tyrion and Varys bring to Dany. She stayed up in her pyramid and didn't attempt to understand her city. Tyrion and Varys are doing something different. And it calls back to Tyrion walking around in Kings Landing with minimal protection. I had been disappointed that the show skipped Dany trying to deal with the plague - because it showed her compassion and impetuousness and also her god-cult, but having kept her stuck in the pyramid for 2 seasons does emphasize her need for better advisors. I agree that Elaria is going to be the leader of Dorne going forward, without the show explaining exactly how that happened. History has lots of examples where somebody kills the king in a coup and becomes the new king - power can transcend bloodlines. And even in ASOIAF, Robert's bloodline claim to the throne was tenuous - especially since Viserys and Dany survived - and Bolton isn't going to give up Winterfell even though he lost Sansa. The sand snakes are not political nor particularly bright - Elaria is the only viable Dornish candidate for power in the show. And it all makes some sense as Arienne from the books is composited into Elaria. Skipping how exactly that happened is a plot hole, but Elaria + SS scheming with extras was not going to be good show material, so skipping it is probably the least bad option.
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Post by janicia on Apr 25, 2016 2:55:00 GMT
So how did Obara and Nym get onto Trystane's ship? Was it the same ship Jaime was? If so, how did they get in when they were on the pier as the ship sailed away? Or did Trystane sail to KL on a different ship some hours after Jaime left? Was Trystane's ship even in KL already or was that the Dornish coast still? Someone help me It was the same ship. I'm assuming Trystane stayed behind out of respect for Myrcella's death while Jaime brought her body to the Red Keep. I assume Obara and Nym took their own boat following and just boarded while Jaime's ship was docked. So that would put Obara and Nymeria at loose ends in Kings Landing? Well, neither of them are getting a seat on the small council. But maybe one infiltrates the Faith.
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Post by janicia on Apr 25, 2016 2:50:50 GMT
I also liked the Wall, Davod, Edd and the guys watching out for Jon. I do wonder though why are they guarding his body, wouldn't the Nights Watch also want to burn Jon? The best part of the Wall was Mel, seeing her so defeated and lost, it gives her a nice dimension. My take on it was that they initially moved Jon into Davos' room because they didn't just want to leave it lying around. Disrespectful. Then their thoughts turned to what happens next between themselves and Jon's killers. It didn't seem that they were protecting Jon's body, so much as stuck in the room with jon's body while figuring out what to do next. The scenes around Jon's body were similar to scenes around Renly's body or Tywin's body. The people who liked Jon want to see his body treated with respect, and they're unhappy that he's dead, but their plans revolved around the living. Other thoughts: i thought the burning of the Mereenese fleet was interesting. What the show giveth, the show taketh away. Does that imply that at one point the show was going to skip Euron, but then he was written back in? I was surprised that Brienne and Sansa reunited. Brienne almost never gets anything that she wants. And Theon seemed to have a little swagger back after the sword fight. Those 4 seem so hopeful, I'm scared. i liked that the show kept up the bit of Dany not understanding the Dothraki half as well as she thinks she does. She played her cards well refusing to talk until she was in front of the Khal. And it wasn't insane that she thought the Dothraki would know about the dragons - she is famous and the dragons are a huge deal. Also, surely the Dothraki have come across charred ram skeletons. But Dany had forgotten about the khaleesi retirement plan.
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Post by janicia on Mar 22, 2016 17:35:39 GMT
I've been thinking about how season 6 seems to be continuing the strong parallels between Jon and Dany... This is a nice list, just wanted to note that there are great number of parallels in the books, more than in the show between Dany and Jon. I'm getting rusty on the books. But what I meant was, in the show, Jon and Dany each only do about 20 things a season. But Jon and Dany each do a hundred things in a book; the percent of what they do that parallels is lower, even if the total number of parallels is higher. The theme of Jon and Dany growing up and surviving challenges in parallel is given more emphasis in the show because the show isn't pursuing as many themes at the same time as the books are. Lists like that can also be deceptive because they ignore all the stuff that doesn't match the pattern. Jon had nothing like Dany's conquests of the slave cities unless you count surviving his breakup with Ygritte as equivalent to conquering a city. Jon and Dany also have some noticibly different relationships - Dany had nobody like Thorne or Olly in her life, Jon had nobody like Dario. Tormund and Greyworm are not obvious analogues. I drew a parallel between Sam and Missandei, but Jon always treated Sam as an equal which is definitely not the dynamic between Dany and Missandei. An even stronger division is that Dany has spent the whole series as a foreigner, particularly in Mereen, while Jon is on home turf at the Night's Watch - he understands and respects the people around him in a way that Dany just doesn't. And Jon fits into established power structures comfortably - he's a bit young and people rib him for being pretty, but he makes sense as a leader to them - either on the Wall or as a Stark in the north. Dany breaks the mold of leadership everywhere she goes in Essos. So clearly GRRM is playing around with both parallels and contrasts in these characters, as well as other plot stuff.
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Post by janicia on Mar 22, 2016 14:21:31 GMT
www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/games-thrones-star-joining-elisabeth-877218So this could be construed as interesting. Gwendoline Christie has signed on for a major role on the 2nd installment of The Top of the Lake mini-series. The first series reportedly took about 4 months to film and it appears as if this one is shooting right away. So theoretically, she could still be freed up to shoot S7 of GoT if she started a little later than usual but you could also infer that she's now freed up because she's done with GoT after this season as well. It certainly could be. I put Brienne on my list of candidates to be the character who unexpectedly dies at the end of the season, as announced by Javi of the Seven Kingdoms. And I think this will be our last season with Mel. There is something about the way in which Sue announced Carice's pregnancy, and in the words she chose, that makes me think that Sue knows that Mel will die but she didn't wanted to say it openly. Last season with Carice could be a different thing from last season with Mel. Since Mel is probably wearing a glamour, there might be a reason to recast her in the endgame. Losing Carice would really be a shame, but some weird stuff is probably going to happen as magical elements of the story take over more, and Mel changing her face could be part of the weird stuff. As for Brienne, her death this season seems plausible to me.
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Post by janicia on Mar 22, 2016 14:10:58 GMT
I've been thinking about how season 6 seems to be continuing the strong parallels between Jon and Dany.
Season 1: Jon and Dany start as children in a somewhat hostile home. They leave those homes and find their new homes to be worse, but then they adapt, become adults, renounce their old families to join their new ones.
Season 2: Jon and Dany have lost their new families and are wandering around in the wilderness. Jon doesn't have a parallel to Dany sacking Qarth or the visions, though.
Season 3: Jon and Dany get sorta father-figures in Mance and Barristan. Jon integrates himself with the Wildlings and Dany integrates herself with the Unsullied and freed slaves. But admittedly, there is divergence because of the love story with Ygritte, which doesn't have a parallel in Dany's story yet. Dany saves Missandei and gains a loyal friend, which parallels Jon saving Sam back in season 1 and gaining a loyal friend.
Season 4: Divergence because Dany is in charge of her people, while Jon is merely taking a leadership role within his people and doing side-missions. But Jon and Dany are both committed to a bigger mission than the Iron Throne - Jon is trying to defend the Wall and Dany is trying to end slavery. Dany chains her dragons and exiles Jorah, which parallel Jon's betrayal of and loss of Ygritte.
Season 5: Jon and Dany are both in leadership. Both order their first executions. Both feel isolated. Mance and Barristan die. Jon and Dany struggle to deal with politics. Jon makes an alliance with Stannis, Dany makes an alliance with Hizdahr. Stannis and Hizdahr both die. Jon and Dany both face rebellion and lose their position of power.
Season 6: Jon and Dany are both back out in the wilderness but presumably claw their way back to a position of even greater power. Jon has a defeated king's Hand in Davos, as well as a Red Priestess. Dany has a defeated king's Hand in Tyrion, as well as her own Red Priestess. The Wildlings and the Unsullied may continue to parallel, or maybe this time the Wildlings parallel the Dothraki. Jon becomes overtly magical and Dany becomes a dragon rider.
I know there are some stretches here, and there aren't always parallels for everything - Jon doesn't have a Dario parallel, and sometimes the parallels aren't in the same season, but I think the show has been persistent in drawing strong parallels between Jon and Dany. I also think this is something that the show is pushing harder than the books - many of the show inventions in both Jon and Dany's storylines make their parallels stronger, such as the Barristan / Mance deaths in early season 5 and the Hizdahr / Stannis deaths in late season 5, Dany's execution of the one slave. But I do think it is going to be meaningful that Jon and Dany both will have Hands and priestesses in season 6, and I'm super curious what that will lead to.
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Post by janicia on Mar 17, 2016 16:08:14 GMT
And 9 months later, one thing is still bugging me. Where the fuck did those deserted sellswords go? Presumably to a port - probably a different one from the one beyond the Wall where they entered the north. From a port, they could buy passage on ships back to Essos. Or maybe they went south and joined LF on his way north. There is a logic to that. Deserting in the middle of the Northern winter is a bad idea unless you have assurances from another army that you can join up with them. Or maybe Manderly ate them offscreen. But sure, it is a bit of a plot hole. GoT as a show has never attempted an accurate depiction of army logistics or travel.
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Post by janicia on Feb 22, 2016 16:00:15 GMT
So Cersei loses it, tries to burn Kings Landing, and Margery gets out of her prison cell. At that point, I don't see how Cersei and Margery can coexist in Kings Landing. The Olenna / Kevan alliance will want to send Cersei back to Casterly Rock or to some other exile - her humiliation should put remarriage firmly off the table. But Cersei will do anything to stay near Tommen. I wonder if the Pycelle / Kevan deaths will be a Tyrell conspiracy in the show, since the more convoluted Tyrell conspiracy from the books is probably excised. Or maybe those two just get killed by the mob. I have to imagine that their deaths in the books mean that they're not going to survive much longer in the show.
And then the Dornish and Dany herself may end up saving Cersei from exile by becoming a more urgent problem than Cersei is.
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Post by janicia on Feb 22, 2016 15:45:31 GMT
Hmm, I wonder if we'll see a Red Priestess vision? We've always had to take Melissandre's word, but maybe the one that hangs out with Tyrion and Varys will prove herself with more than words.
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Post by janicia on Feb 15, 2016 19:34:50 GMT
A slightly different take on the teaser: I imagined Arya hearing those voices from her family and letting them guide her path. The voices from Robb and Catelyn from the time after Ned's death would be especially impactful to her, I think, because she was trying so hard to get to them and couldn't. But Jon's warning is the most important.
My first thought was also that Arya might rampage in a Joffrey mask. I feel like she could do more damage to her enemies wearing one of their faces, rather than Catelyn's face. Arya and Joffrey seem linked to me, for their intense hatred of each other. Both of them hated many people, but I think they hated each other the most.
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Post by janicia on Sept 8, 2015 20:00:07 GMT
So presumably at the start of season 6, Balon, Aeron, and Yara are in the Iron Islands, and then Balon dies and Aeron and Yara are unable to prevent Euron from taking over. Then Euron and Yara and the Iron Island fleet sail off, leaving Aeron at home. Then Theon somehow reunites with Aeron, who wants to use him to get rid of Euron? Or maybe Euron and Yara take Aeron with them, and then they meet up with Theon and they all sail to Dany together? I'm very confused how Theon gets back to the Iron Islands. Sansa doesn't seem to be going off the grid - she'll be interacting with northern lords and Littlefinger. And Theon knows he won't have a warm welcome from Iron Islanders, especially not after Ramsay mailed them his genitals. But maybe Theon becomes an agent working for Bran somehow? Maybe Bran and Bloodraven have a plan that requires a fleet, and they try to send Theon to take over the Iron Islands from Euron? Theon and Aeron join in religious fervor to fight the army of the dead? Or maybe Littlefinger gives Theon a really good pep talk and sends him with a small army to take the Iron Islands over. There will be a Kingsmoot in Episode 5 or 6. I hope LF doesn't give any talks to Theon. Hmm, so maybe Theon is present at the Kingsmoot? There is no way he'd win the thing - he can barely string two sentences together at this point. I really don't understand how he gets thrown back into the iron islands plot. It doesn't seem like he even wants to be an Iron Islander anymore and he'd want to stay with Sansa now and try to serve her. And for all of his faults, Sansa doesn't have a better companion. Maybe Sansa sends him away and Theon limps back to the Iron Islands to plead the mercies of his sister. I do still like the idea of Theon becoming an agent of Bloodraven/Bran against the Whitewalkers. I want to see Bran moving some pieces on the board rather than just hanging out having visions all season. And maybe Theon merges with Patchface and is part of whatever is about to go down with the dead things in the water coming at the Wall. It would be strange indeed if Theon ended up meeting Tyrion in Essos. They've both changed so much since their first meeting.
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Post by janicia on Sept 7, 2015 18:25:57 GMT
So presumably at the start of season 6, Balon, Aeron, and Yara are in the Iron Islands, and then Balon dies and Aeron and Yara are unable to prevent Euron from taking over. Then Euron and Yara and the Iron Island fleet sail off, leaving Aeron at home. Then Theon somehow reunites with Aeron, who wants to use him to get rid of Euron? Or maybe Euron and Yara take Aeron with them, and then they meet up with Theon and they all sail to Dany together?
I'm very confused how Theon gets back to the Iron Islands. Sansa doesn't seem to be going off the grid - she'll be interacting with northern lords and Littlefinger. And Theon knows he won't have a warm welcome from Iron Islanders, especially not after Ramsay mailed them his genitals. But maybe Theon becomes an agent working for Bran somehow? Maybe Bran and Bloodraven have a plan that requires a fleet, and they try to send Theon to take over the Iron Islands from Euron? Theon and Aeron join in religious fervor to fight the army of the dead?
Or maybe Littlefinger gives Theon a really good pep talk and sends him with a small army to take the Iron Islands over.
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Post by janicia on Jul 16, 2015 20:39:04 GMT
If you recall the flashback in the book, Lyanna's not really in it (outside of a hazy Ned memory of a line). You don't physically need her in the scene. She's talked about, we know she's in the Tower but the entire scene is what goes down OUTSIDE the Tower. And it's about Ned confronting the Kingsguard and then having to battle them before he's allowed to go inside. THAT's the TOJ sequence. Everything else that happens with Ned going inside is just implied. You can still have Ned with 6 or 7 men with him battling 3 Kingsguard but you don't need to cast actors if the rest of the respective entourages don't have lines. The point of showing ToJ is to elucidate Jon's parentage. A woman screaming and a baby crying offscreen just isn't enough to draw that connection. Women scream and babies cry for all sorts of reasons - if you are trying to depict childbirth you have to be less tangential. And Lyanna's "promise me, Ned" is an important part of the story - why Ned made the choices he made. The Lyanna / Ned encounter is the heart of the scene. The TOJ flashback in the books happened in the first book - it had to be mysterious, and therefore it had to minimize Lyanna. But in season 6, the show needs to be answering questions rather than depicting really confusing flashbacks that just raise new questions. If the show just wanted a Ned swordfight flashback for Bran's arc without the Jon/Lyanna reveal, they could have gone to one of the battles in Robert's rebellion, or to the Greyjoy rebellion. Maybe you're right, but I think you're making the arguments you're making because you want the TOJ sequence to be in this season and you're twisting the news we've gotten to fit TOJ's inclusion. I just don't think that scene would be included without Lyanna, and she wasn't cast. It seems like every season, several of the castles are pointed to as TOJ possibilities, so I don't put much stock in castle casting.
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Post by janicia on Jul 7, 2015 17:07:46 GMT
I don't have much time now, so I would like to reply to @envie later, but one thing about the general LSH discussion has bothered me for quite some time now. Why is unGregor always named as an example for a resurrection? He didn't die. He almost died, but didn't. He was kept alive by Qyburn's weird medical procedure and lost his humanity because of that. He, like Frankenstein's monster, was transformed to this thing by science. That is hardly the same as dead people getting resurrected by magic. In both books and show, it is not clear what exactly happened. We only get a few creepy hints and then he's walking around not saying anything. The books imply that his head was removed, which is a pretty solid indicator that somebody is dead. But maybe his head just looks dead-ish and was never removed. We just don't know if he died or not.
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Post by janicia on Jul 7, 2015 17:02:00 GMT
Ah but look what Mirri Maz Duur did just before Dany burned her... she used dark blood magic to bring back Drogo who was dying. She healed him but the man that came back was not the same... he's more what we see happening when the person resurrecting isn't very good at it (ie Qyburn and Ser Robert Strong). It's necromancy at the very base level definition really. Maybe it has to do with the kind of sacrifice, or the person doing it. When Thoros of Myr resurrected Beric, he seemed to come back mostly normal again, but lost a bit of himself each time he died. But even after six times he was still a normal human being for the most part. Then when that was passed on from Beric to Lady Catelyn, something went a little wrong. Maybe she had been dead too long, maybe she had lost too much blood or being resurrected second-hand from someone already resurrected lessened the power? She's still coherent and has thoughts and communication but she's certainly not the Catelyn we remembered before her death. Which kind will Jon be? Will he be a vengeful but lesser version of himself, or actually the same like Beric or Daenerys? Don't forget ... Dany essentially burned herself and was also reborn (naked and covered in ash) and many believe SHE could be Azor Ahai and that was her rebirth. She may not technically have died on that fire, but there's no denying it changed her and was a baptism of fire so to speak. The same essential thing, just a little different could happen to Jon. If it's not Shireen and the power of her king's blood still within Melisandre that resurrects Jon (it can't have been more than a few days between the time she burned Shireen, left and went back to the Wall, can it?) then it must be someone else or maybe no one at all. Again, referring back to Beric Dondarrion's death - no one was sacrificed at all ... Thoros just gave him the kiss of life. Perhaps Melisandre will kiss Jon before his funeral pyre is lit and that is when it happens. I get goosies just thinking about it. I think in the books Thoros used wildfire or something to do his kiss of life. But then Red Priests aren't especially human to begin with, in Mel's POV in ADWD it seems they have some sort of fire life-force in them and they may even be undead like Beric himself.
Also MMD killing Drogo's horse could be a parallel to Mel potentially killing Ghost...that is if Ghost hasn't went running away from CB either north (to find Bran) or south (to find Rickon or Sansa) of the Wall by then, both of which I could also see happening.
I thought Thoros was a pretty normal human before he started resurrecting Beric. Thoros didn't really believe in magic before that, so he probably wasn't doing whatever undead / glamor thing Melissandre is doing. I wonder if GRRM will ever take a stance on why exactly Beric was raised. Thoros and Beric thought it was the direct divine intervention of the Red God and the story hasn't contradicted that yet. GRRM hasn't explained how magic works in ASOIAF, which makes these kinds of discussions problematic. Is magic from the Gods? Is there a sci-fi/technological explanation for the magic? Is magic coming back because of the dragons? Are they the source of the magic? Are the dragons coming back because something else made the magic come back? How does blood magic actually work? Who gets to decide what counts as kings blood? Is king's blood special because it contains midichlorians or because it makes a God happy? What is the Red God? How sentient are the weirtrees? Are there entities bigger than Bloodraven that are steering events, or it is all random bubbles of magic and people running around doing things? Every resurrection we've seen in the series has been different, so all extrapolations are wild guesses.
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Post by janicia on Jul 2, 2015 18:01:03 GMT
Yeah, I want her to find out about Ned, or even just some kind of reminder to him that Ned still won Cat and LF can't ignore that Sansa is the daughter of them. A throat slitting would be a nice homage to Mama and a callback to his dagger shenanigans in s1. Are there any theories out there as to how she'll find out he betrayed Ned btw? Because it'd be great if she knew the significance of the dagger when(/if) she used it. I think Pod is the best bet. Tyrion was interested in the events surrounding Ned's demise and Bronn was captain of the Goldcloaks. Pod should have had access to the information that LF paid the Goldcloaks to betray Ned. The fact that the Goldcloaks betrayed Ned must have been an open secret in Kings Landing - all those Goldcloaks knew about it obviously, as well as all the servants that had to clean up the carnage afterwards. And nobody likes LF, Varys or Pycelle - people probably assumed they all betrayed Ned, which is more or less true. Cersei, Tyrion, Varys, and Pycelle also know, but I doubt Sansa will see any of them in season 6. I suppose there is a chance that Cersei could send Sansa a letter, but it wouldn’t make much sense. Stannis' court was interested in those events, and Stannis surely had a poor opinion of LF, but I doubt Davos knows for sure that LF betrayed Ned. I agree that Theon might be able to ID the dagger, but that doesn’t directly point to LF betraying Ned. Catelyn and Ned left the dagger with LF in good faith. He’d also have the dagger if he hadn’t betrayed them. Possibly Pod + Theon could piece together the story of LF siccing Catelyn on Tyrion to start the war.
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