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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 0:09:33 GMT
Or she could always go this route with Meereen...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 0:11:01 GMT
It's also possible that the Red Priestess advises that she take Volantis. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Volantis battle in the midseason. I've often considered where else Dany might have to go in order to finally leave Essos. Let's remember Quaithe's prophecy to her: There's something yet Dany has to learn before she leaves. Now they may cut this out of the show depending on what that is, but hopefully we get some idea what all this was about long ago. She has to pass beneath the shadow ... what shadow? The shadow is what the Red God followers call the Great Other, the god of Ice and cold and death. Dany thinks she means Asshai but that may not be literally what she meant. I'm not sure about Volantis. Why would that be the best place for her to go other than ships to leave?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 0:13:09 GMT
I've often considered where else Dany might have to go in order to finally leave Essos. Let's remember Quaithe's prophecy to her: There's something yet Dany has to learn before she leaves. Now they may cut this out of the show depending on what that is, but hopefully we get some idea what all this was about long ago. She has to pass beneath the shadow ... what shadow? The shadow is what the Red God followers call the Great Other, the god of Ice and cold and death. Dany thinks she means Asshai but that may not be literally what she meant. I'm not sure about Volantis. Why would that be the best place for her to go other than ships to leave? I guess because the Red Temple is there. I think the "to go forward you must go back" thing is about Vaes Dothrak.
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 22, 2015 0:20:35 GMT
While I wouldn't put a Volantis excursion for Dany in TWoW out of the question, I don't think the show would bother with that.
In terms of what Tyrion would have to deal with in Meereen during Dany's absence, this could actually lead to the external threat from Yunkai/Astapor who would now sense weakness with Dany gone. This would obviously not be as intricately plotted as the books, more of a "Yunkai and Astapor are marching on us/outside the gates" type of problem without any faces or characters representing the enemy. It wouldn't culminate in the Battle of Meereen we see in the books but it could be the dramatic tension needed for Dany to swoop in and solve with the Dothraki (which again would probably mirror what she does in the books).
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Post by boojam on Jun 22, 2015 2:11:01 GMT
I've often considered where else Dany might have to go in order to finally leave Essos. Let's remember Quaithe's prophecy to her: There's something yet Dany has to learn before she leaves. Now they may cut this out of the show depending on what that is, but hopefully we get some idea what all this was about long ago. She has to pass beneath the shadow ... what shadow? The shadow is what the Red God followers call the Great Other, the god of Ice and cold and death. Dany thinks she means Asshai but that may not be literally what she meant. I'm not sure about Volantis. Why would that be the best place for her to go other than ships to leave? I have to wonder if The Great Other will ever be mentioned on the show? A weird phobia about the word 'Other' at this late date. A thing that has always bothered me , in the books Dany is an anti slave abolitionist , yet the Valyrians were slavers, the Targs were not? or what?(not clear?). It's ok, some slavers in this universe's history did evolve into abolitionists. Still how does that compute with a non-slaver city like Braavos? In fact Dany is what (seemingly) the Faceless Men would want, yet to get any idea book wise what the FM ,much less what Braavos thinks. So would seem Braavos would be the place for Dany to hook up with allies? Plus she could , at this point, maybe pay off KL's debut to the bank, and promise to Westeros and make em straighten up and flight right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 3:31:49 GMT
I think Dany will return to Westeros by the end of S6, too. But I really think that now the Dothraki are in the picture that here is where Quaithe's prophecy will begin to play out. There's a beautiful section of mountains, fairly barren but beautiful, in the very North of Spain that I think was being considered for a setting for S6. They're really unusual looking and I wonder if it could end up being the setting for Asshai so that, finally, Dany will go East in order to reach the West.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2015 3:41:17 GMT
I hope she gets to Westeros soon. I don't want to see her roaming around the Dothraki sea again. I'm done with Essos.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 4:44:35 GMT
While I wouldn't put a Volantis excursion for Dany in TWoW out of the question, I don't think the show would bother with that. In terms of what Tyrion would have to deal with in Meereen during Dany's absence, this could actually lead to the external threat from Yunkai/Astapor who would now sense weakness with Dany gone. This would obviously not be as intricately plotted as the books, more of a "Yunkai and Astapor are marching on us/outside the gates" type of problem without any faces or characters representing the enemy. It wouldn't culminate in the Battle of Meereen we see in the books but it could be the dramatic tension needed for Dany to swoop in and solve with the Dothraki (which again would probably mirror what she does in the books). Since you and someone else disagree with my interpretation of Varys words to Tyrion, I thought I should clarify: I didn't mean to imply he was saying the city in reference is only about King's Landing. I meant to say it seems to have double meaning which is why I suggested reading between the lines. Varys is always saying something else than what he's actually saying. Yes of course there's going to be scenes and dialogue for Tyrion, Grey Worm and Missandei doing something in Meereen - there has to be because they are placeholders until Jorah and Daario find Dany out there somewhere. I didn't mean to imply that Varys would simply tell Tyrion to pack up and abandon Meereen because King's Landing is the real city he was referring to. I think the implication is that while yes, Meereen is a bloated city full of problems needing fixed - that's not their end goal and not the city that needs fixing so much as King's Landing. Anyways, I'm curious to find out what exactly they'll do there that's meaningful at this point. Your guess that perhaps a siege from Yunkai or Astapor could happen while she's gone is good and sort of realigns the story with the book. We also need to remember Victarion was on his way with his magical horn. They don't seem to be casting him (yet) and we don't know if that story is going to be in or out - but it could be another factor involved. Still, I stand by my argument they should not keep this story going for another entire season. I read a lot of unsullied reviews and watched a ton of video reactions and can say across the board, a majority of show only fans are quite sick of Dany's story in Meereen as many of us were in the books. Enough already. Get on with it as Stannis would say. I am taking their trend of speeding up the story and cutting things left and right from Meereen/Tyrion to indicate a trend. They're going to speed it up in S6 and she's going to head to Westeros at least by mid season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 5:27:41 GMT
Euron sails to Meereen and captures Viserion or Rhaegal via dragonhorn.
Crackpot?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 5:32:19 GMT
Euron sails to Meereen and captures Viserion or Rhaegal via dragonhorn. Crackpot? I think we'll see him more in the Iron Islands and then the Reach in s6 but I'm sure he'll intersect with the Dany storyline eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 5:45:07 GMT
Euron sails to Meereen and captures Viserion or Rhaegal via dragonhorn. Crackpot? I think we'll see him more in the Iron Islands and then the Reach in s6 but I'm sure he'll intersect with the Dany storyline eventually. A lot of people think they are eliminating Victarion and he's the one who has the horn he intends to try and use on the dragons. Do you think they are getting rid of him like they did Quentyn and fAegon?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 5:50:46 GMT
I think we'll see him more in the Iron Islands and then the Reach in s6 but I'm sure he'll intersect with the Dany storyline eventually. A lot of people think they are eliminating Victarion and he's the one who has the horn he intends to try and use on the dragons. Do you think they are getting rid of him like they did Quentyn and fAegon? Yeah, I think Victarion's out. If Euron is going to take one of her dragons he can probably do it later on, either in Westeros or somewhere closer to Westeros than Meereen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 5:59:19 GMT
A lot of people think they are eliminating Victarion and he's the one who has the horn he intends to try and use on the dragons. Do you think they are getting rid of him like they did Quentyn and fAegon? Yeah, I think Victarion's out. If Euron is going to take one of her dragons he can probably do it later on, either in Westeros or somewhere closer to Westeros than Meereen. I tend to agree they are probably dropping Victarion and keeping Euron for the Westeros half of things only. Again, to me, this indicates they are shortening a lot more of the remaining Meereen arc to expedite their leaving. There will be no major siege (on screen at least) from Yunkai or Astapor, no Pale Mare (thank gods), no Victarion threat, and no Quentyn. So I really do not see what would keep them all there the entire season, do you? Now - it could be likely they go somewhere else before they head to Westeros and that drags things out a few episodes, or, the rescue of Dany from the Khalasar (if in fact she has to be rescued at all) takes longer than expected. But these are not major ordeals that deserve the entire season's focus on her story. I expect Dany to return to Meereen and leave almost immediately thereafter. Tyrion and crew will have played out just about as much Harpy shit as we can probably tolerate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 6:05:34 GMT
Also, to switch gears again ...
Once Dany does actually leave Essos (how that will happen we have no idea yet), where do you all see her landing in Westeros?
My vote is for Dragonstone. She won't be able to go directly into King's Landing - that would be too dangerous and we have no idea what's going to be left of it or who will be running the show.
Dorne is another possibility. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 6:12:51 GMT
I tend to agree they are probably dropping Victarion and keeping Euron for the Westeros half of things only. Again, to me, this indicates they are shortening a lot more of the remaining Meereen arc to expedite their leaving. There will be no major siege (on screen at least) from Yunkai or Astapor, no Pale Mare (thank gods), no Victarion threat, and no Quentyn. So I really do not see what would keep them all there the entire season, do you? Now - it could be likely they go somewhere else before they head to Westeros and that drags things out a few episodes, or, the rescue of Dany from the Khalasar (if in fact she has to be rescued at all) takes longer than expected. But these are not major ordeals that deserve the entire season's focus on her story. I expect Dany to return to Meereen and leave almost immediately thereafter. Tyrion and crew will have played out just about as much Harpy shit as we can probably tolerate. I think when Dany returns to Meereen (hopefully in the early midseason of s6) she'll do something drastic there and opt to leave. She'll likely have a huge Khalasar then too, so I wouldn't be surprised if she took over Volantis and maybe another place or two on her way westward. Also, to switch gears again ... Once Dany does actually leave Essos (how that will happen we have no idea yet), where do you all see her landing in Westeros? My vote is for Dragonstone. She won't be able to go directly into King's Landing - that would be too dangerous and we have no idea what's going to be left of it or who will be running the show. Dorne is another possibility. Thoughts? Dragonstone would make the most thematic sense since that's where she left to go to Essos from in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:10:54 GMT
I tend to agree they are probably dropping Victarion and keeping Euron for the Westeros half of things only. Again, to me, this indicates they are shortening a lot more of the remaining Meereen arc to expedite their leaving. There will be no major siege (on screen at least) from Yunkai or Astapor, no Pale Mare (thank gods), no Victarion threat, and no Quentyn. So I really do not see what would keep them all there the entire season, do you? Now - it could be likely they go somewhere else before they head to Westeros and that drags things out a few episodes, or, the rescue of Dany from the Khalasar (if in fact she has to be rescued at all) takes longer than expected. But these are not major ordeals that deserve the entire season's focus on her story. I expect Dany to return to Meereen and leave almost immediately thereafter. Tyrion and crew will have played out just about as much Harpy shit as we can probably tolerate. I think when Dany returns to Meereen (hopefully in the early midseason of s6) she'll do something drastic there and opt to leave. She'll likely have a huge Khalasar then too, so I wouldn't be surprised if she took over Volantis and maybe another place or two on her way westward. Also, to switch gears again ... Once Dany does actually leave Essos (how that will happen we have no idea yet), where do you all see her landing in Westeros? My vote is for Dragonstone. She won't be able to go directly into King's Landing - that would be too dangerous and we have no idea what's going to be left of it or who will be running the show. Dorne is another possibility. Thoughts? Dragonstone would make the most thematic sense since that's where she left to go to Essos from in the first place. Would conquering Dragonstone gain anything for her cause? I reckon she'll go to Kings Landing first. Rember the shows version of HotU, where the shadow of the dragon flying over Kings Landing plays (at least I think that was HotU). I always took that as foreshadowing that Dany would strike KL first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:22:13 GMT
I think when Dany returns to Meereen (hopefully in the early midseason of s6) she'll do something drastic there and opt to leave. She'll likely have a huge Khalasar then too, so I wouldn't be surprised if she took over Volantis and maybe another place or two on her way westward. Dragonstone would make the most thematic sense since that's where she left to go to Essos from in the first place. Would conquering Dragonstone gain anything for her cause? I reckon she'll go to Kings Landing first. Rember the shows version of HotU, where the shadow of the dragon flying over Kings Landing plays (at least I think that was HotU). I always took that as foreshadowing that Dany would strike KL first. It was Bran's weirwood vision in ep. 402. And Dragonstone would be a good place to launch an invasion of KL from.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:56:08 GMT
Would conquering Dragonstone gain anything for her cause? I reckon she'll go to Kings Landing first. Rember the shows version of HotU, where the shadow of the dragon flying over Kings Landing plays (at least I think that was HotU). I always took that as foreshadowing that Dany would strike KL first. It was Bran's weirwood vision in ep. 402. And Dragonstone would be a good place to launch an invasion of KL from. Fair enough I guess. I really couldnt remember where that scene was from lol. I do remember watching the Bran Wierwood scene and keeping my fingers crossed for a Sean Bean cameo. I dont know if she'll invade DS though. No one has really mentioned it as any kind of threat in the show (which is what Im going off). It would be a symbolic staging ground I guess since its the old Targ seat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:53:12 GMT
Dragonstone would be the most meaningful place to start. It's where the Targaryens lived pre-doom and post-doom and it's where Aegon the Conqueror planned his invasion from. And it's also the place she was born and it is technically her seat if Jon is actually legitimate, as she'd be the Princess of Dragonstone as opposed to Queen. It would be weird if she landed somewhere else first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:18:34 GMT
Dragonstone would be the most meaningful place to start. It's where the Targaryens lived pre-doom and post-doom and it's where Aegon the Conqueror planned his invasion from. And it's also the place she was born and it is technically her seat if Jon is actually legitimate, as she'd be the Princess of Dragonstone as opposed to Queen. It would be weird if she landed somewhere else first. And wouldn't it be weird for her to end up Princess of Dragonstone as opposed to Queen. I don't imagine she'd take kindly to that!
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