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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 0:38:24 GMT
So how do you see it playing out for Team Dragon to return to Westeros? Pretty sure most of us are hoping and praying they don't drag out the Grass Sea or Meereen stuff anymore than necessary at the start of Season 6 and press forward with her plans to return. Varys is last seen with Tyrion and presumed to be planning on assisting him with running the show in Meereen until Dany returns. This is a good guess that his actual intent is to push them into leaving soon. He has "Birds in the West and Birds in the East" as he puts it so he'll know when the viable time is right. But will he go back to King's Landing to finish off Kevan and Pycelle to ready King's Landing or is there another plan coming into place? What about the various members of Dany's team? Jorah, Daario, Tyrion, Rhaegal/Viserion ... Personally, I'd love to see King's Landing burnt to the ground which would neatly wrap up the Faith Militant bullshit and pave the way for a new storyline entirely for rulership of Westeros. Daenerys could possibly fly into Dorne and get support from her supporters there, or perhaps she decides to take over Dragonstone since it *is* her family's House/seat and the Baratheons have now been eliminated. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 0:43:37 GMT
Varys to Daenerys upon meeting her: "House Baratheon is no more Your Grace. King's Landing is run by fanatics of the faith and the Lannisters will soon be removed. The time is right for your return to the Targaryens rightful home..."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 12:29:33 GMT
Varys to Daenerys upon meeting her: "House Baratheon is no more Your Grace. King's Landing is run by fanatics of the faith and the Lannisters will soon be removed. The time is right for your return to the Targaryens rightful home..."Rightful. Well yeah if he means KL and Dragonstone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 12:37:58 GMT
I can see this happening in a number of different ways, but I hope it's done and dusted by the end of season 6, or at least well under way.
I think it will go down similar to the sack of KL, where Dany is outside the gates/ready to take the city and Cersei is batshit crazy by this point and would rather burn it all to the ground than see someone else take it. But Jaime will be there to save the day (again) and kill her, and hopefully he offs himself afterwards, because if he survived the sack then Dany would just execute him anyway.
I think she probably lands on Dragonstone first, then maybe from there she'll ally with Dorne and the Reach, if the Tyrells are even still alive at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 12:51:15 GMT
I think she probably lands on Dragonstone first, then maybe from there she'll ally with Dorne and the Reach, if the Tyrells are even still alive at that point. If they ain't there's always the Tarlys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 12:53:35 GMT
I think she probably lands on Dragonstone first, then maybe from there she'll ally with Dorne and the Reach, if the Tyrells are even still alive at that point. If they ain't there's always the Tarlys. 'tis true, although for some reason I struggle to picture Randyll bending the knee to a woman
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 12:56:05 GMT
If they ain't there's always the Tarlys. 'tis true, although for some reason I struggle to picture Randyll bending the knee to a woman Yeah, he is something of a boor (*understatement alert*). I'm sure he'd bow if he saw a dragon though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 12:57:16 GMT
If they ain't there's always the Tarlys. 'tis true, although for some reason I struggle to picture Randyll bending the knee to a woman True. "Women fight their battles in birthing bed"
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 21, 2015 13:17:39 GMT
Well, Dragonstone would be her best bet since the legitimate Baratheon line is done. Right now with the North a mess, the Freys in control of the Riverlands, the West is weakened without Tywin and KL is at best very distracted...I don't think she'd have a hard time taking Westeros at this point. Dorne, the Reach and the Vale seem to have armies (remaining untouched or barely touched) after the war of the 5 Kings, they could be trouble spots for her or with Dorne most likely unhappy with the Lannisters, the Tyrells probably unhappy too I could see Dorne and the Reach siding with her. The Vale will most likely go North to "liberate" Winterfell. I kind of feel that the show has kind of cleared the table for her to take over.
I am curious who will rule Meereen if she does get to Westeros this season (which I think she does by the end of season 6). Does she take Tyrion, Jorah and Daario with her? Does one of them stay behind? Is it wise for Tyrion to go back to Westeros with Jaime and Cersei wanting him dead? I can't see the show leaving him behind. Does Grey Worm get Meereen? Or does she just let Meereen go?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 16:04:04 GMT
Well, Dragonstone would be her best bet since the legitimate Baratheon line is done. Right now with the North a mess, the Freys in control of the Riverlands, the West is weakened without Tywin and KL is at best very distracted...I don't think she'd have a hard time taking Westeros at this point. Dorne, the Reach and the Vale seem to have armies (remaining untouched or barely touched) after the war of the 5 Kings, they could be trouble spots for her or with Dorne most likely unhappy with the Lannisters, the Tyrells probably unhappy too I could see Dorne and the Reach siding with her. The Vale will most likely go North to "liberate" Winterfell. I kind of feel that the show has kind of cleared the table for her to take over. I am curious who will rule Meereen if she does get to Westeros this season (which I think she does by the end of season 6). Does she take Tyrion, Jorah and Daario with her? Does one of them stay behind? Is it wise for Tyrion to go back to Westeros with Jaime and Cersei wanting him dead? I can't see the show leaving him behind. Does Grey Worm get Meereen? Or does she just let Meereen go? I think she just lets Mereen go.
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 21, 2015 16:33:01 GMT
Based on how they ended Season 5 along with the leaked audition, it doesn't appear as Dany will be making it to Westeros in S6. Perhaps she sets sail by the end of the season, but the arrival looks like it won't be until the final season.
Which indicates to me that Martin doesn't have Dany arriving in Westeros until ADOS which is a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it works out for them.
As one of many readers/viewers who gives zero shits about whatever Dany's "adventures/trials and tribulations" are before she gets off her ass and actually rejoins the real story in Westeros, this is wheel spinning at the height of wheel spinning. Like stab yourself in the eyes frustration. Martin's a better writer than having seven books worth of buildup for an endgame we all know has to happen. Is it the worst thing in the world to have her do some shit in Westeros before the final confrontation? NO ONE CARES ABOUT MEEREEN. NO ONE. Have the dragons burn everyone there to the ground and be done with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 16:42:17 GMT
^I doubt it. D&D made it abundantly clear at some point during S5's airing that they do not want to spend anymore time wheel spinning with Dany than they need to. The Lannisters can't stay in power for the entirety of season 6 and with Aegon gone and Stannis dead, Dany is the only viable candidate to depose them. I think she gets to Westeros and takes the IT late S6, for sure.
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 21, 2015 16:56:35 GMT
^I doubt it. D&D made it abundantly clear at some point during S5's airing that they do not want to spend anymore time wheel spinning with Dany than they need to. The Lannisters can't stay in power for the entirety of season 6 and with Aegon gone and Stannis dead, Dany is the only viable candidate to depose them. I think she gets to Westeros and takes the IT late S6, for sure. But Dany won't be in Meereen in S6 (for the most part) so they aren't lying. I was in total agreement with this line of thinking until we got the finale and they gave Jorah/Daario their buddy comedy trek to find Dany and then left Tyrion to "rule" Meereen, even giving him Varys to pal together with. They aren't leaving any time soon. The climax of the season will be her arriving back with the Dothraki and finally saying "let's get out of here." This should have happened in the S5 finale but TWoW isn't going to cooperate with that so this is the compromise. It also makes more sense why they moved Tyrion's encounter up with Dany and put him into power so early. Knowing that we still have to deal with the crud in Meereen for another season, putting Tyrion and Varys there instead of Barristan will at least not bore the audience to tears while we all wait for Dany to get her shit together.
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Post by evenstar on Jun 21, 2015 17:01:10 GMT
As one of many readers/viewers who gives zero shits about whatever Dany's "adventures/trials and tribulations" are before she gets off her ass and actually rejoins the real story in Westeros, this is wheel spinning at the height of wheel spinning. Like stab yourself in the eyes frustration. Martin's a better writer than having seven books worth of buildup for an endgame we all know has to happen. Is it the worst thing in the world to have her do some shit in Westeros before the final confrontation? NO ONE CARES ABOUT MEEREEN. NO ONE. Have the dragons burn everyone there to the ground and be done with it.I care, your Majesty! :-X ( ) Before S5, and re-reading the books, I got to the point where I thought Meereen might be where she's meant to end up as a ruler, after she wipes out the Others with the help of the NW, wildlings and whatever Westerosi will find balls/ovaries to join the Wall fight. I mean she's been in Essos for the duration of 5 books! I'll be freaking disappointed if all her Essos time ends with Dany burning everything to the ground!
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 21, 2015 17:04:29 GMT
As one of many readers/viewers who gives zero shits about whatever Dany's "adventures/trials and tribulations" are before she gets off her ass and actually rejoins the real story in Westeros, this is wheel spinning at the height of wheel spinning. Like stab yourself in the eyes frustration. Martin's a better writer than having seven books worth of buildup for an endgame we all know has to happen. Is it the worst thing in the world to have her do some shit in Westeros before the final confrontation? NO ONE CARES ABOUT MEEREEN. NO ONE. Have the dragons burn everyone there to the ground and be done with it.I care, your Majesty! :-X ( ) Before S5, and re-reading the books, I got to the point where I thought Meereen might be where she's meant to end up as a ruler, after she wipes out the Others with the help of the NW, wildlings and whatever Westerosi will find balls/ovaries to join the Wall fight. I mean she's been in Essos for the duration of 5 books! I'll be freaking disappointed if all her Essos time ends with Dany burning everything to the ground! If Meereen's important, then they shouldn't cocktease the audience by having Dany state every 5 minutes that she needs to get to Westeros and take the Iron Throne. I am done with the world building. Get the characters back to Westeros interacting with each other and then sort out the politics and the fighting. Point everyone towards the final confrontation that we were promised in the first book over 2 decades ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 17:11:59 GMT
^I doubt it. D&D made it abundantly clear at some point during S5's airing that they do not want to spend anymore time wheel spinning with Dany than they need to. The Lannisters can't stay in power for the entirety of season 6 and with Aegon gone and Stannis dead, Dany is the only viable candidate to depose them. I think she gets to Westeros and takes the IT late S6, for sure. But Dany won't be in Meereen in S6 (for the most part) so they aren't lying. I was in total agreement with this line of thinking until we got the finale and they gave Jorah/Daario their buddy comedy trek to find Dany and then left Tyrion to "rule" Meereen, even giving him Varys to pal together with. They aren't leaving any time soon. They weren't being clever with their wording. They flat out said that they don't want to do a 10 year adaptation and spend four seasons in Meereen. Granted, if they stay there until the end of S6, they won't have spent 4 seasons there, but I got the distinct impression that they want to gtfo of Meereen ASAP.
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Post by evenstar on Jun 21, 2015 17:17:41 GMT
I care, your Majesty! :-X ( ) Before S5, and re-reading the books, I got to the point where I thought Meereen might be where she's meant to end up as a ruler, after she wipes out the Others with the help of the NW, wildlings and whatever Westerosi will find balls/ovaries to join the Wall fight. I mean she's been in Essos for the duration of 5 books! I'll be freaking disappointed if all her Essos time ends with Dany burning everything to the ground! If Meereen's important, then they shouldn't cocktease the audience by having Dany state every 5 minutes that she needs to get to Westeros and take the Iron Throne. I am done with the world building. Get the characters back to Westeros interacting with each other and then sort out the politics and the fighting. Point everyone towards the final confrontation that we were promised in the first book over 2 decades ago. Seven Hells, Sire! Who knew you feel this strongly about it?! Are you familiar with "Words are wind"? It's all in the actions one makes not about what they keep teasing/promising or we'd have TWoW in our hands right now, wouldn't we? Also: I wanna see your I-owe-you slip. Mine says: Dany stayed in Meereen to develop some queen qualities, build up some ruling savy. NOT burn the damn thing to the ground! I care.
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 21, 2015 17:18:58 GMT
But Dany won't be in Meereen in S6 (for the most part) so they aren't lying. I was in total agreement with this line of thinking until we got the finale and they gave Jorah/Daario their buddy comedy trek to find Dany and then left Tyrion to "rule" Meereen, even giving him Varys to pal together with. They aren't leaving any time soon. They weren't being clever with their wording. They flat out said that they don't want to do a 10 year adaptation and spend four seasons in Meereen. Granted, if they stay there until the end of S6, they won't have spent 4 seasons there, but I got the distinct impression that they want to gtfo of Meereen ASAP. Nothing they've set up in the finale indicates they're leaving anytime soon. They can't now. So that's that. If they had done what I said they should have done and had Dany show up in that throne room scene with the Dothraki horde and say "let's go to Westeros", then for sure she'd arrive there in S6 and we'd be in good shape. Instead, they stranded her, created a mission for Jorah and Daario to find her and explicitly stated that the ruling of Meereen is still important and that Tyrion (along with Varys) will have a lot of work to do in order to maintain order. The leaked audition shows them meeting with someone who can help them maintain the order in Meereen while they wait for Dany to return. There is no way she is showing up in Westeros in S6, unless it's the cliffhanger in the finale.
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 21, 2015 17:20:24 GMT
If Meereen's important, then they shouldn't cocktease the audience by having Dany state every 5 minutes that she needs to get to Westeros and take the Iron Throne. I am done with the world building. Get the characters back to Westeros interacting with each other and then sort out the politics and the fighting. Point everyone towards the final confrontation that we were promised in the first book over 2 decades ago. Seven Hells, Sire! Who knew you feel this strongly about it?! Are you familiar with "Words are wind"? It's all in the actions one makes not about what they keep teasing/promising or we'd have TWoW in our hands right now, wouldn't we? Also: I wanna see your I-owe-you slip. Mine says: Dany stayed in Meereen to develop some queen qualities, build up some ruling savy. NOT burn the damn thing to the ground! I care. Dany won't burn down Meereen, I just think that she should because everyone in Meereen kind of sucks and doesn't really want her there in the first place. She should give them all the finger on her way out of town.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 17:23:52 GMT
^I doubt it. D&D made it abundantly clear at some point during S5's airing that they do not want to spend anymore time wheel spinning with Dany than they need to. The Lannisters can't stay in power for the entirety of season 6 and with Aegon gone and Stannis dead, Dany is the only viable candidate to depose them. I think she gets to Westeros and takes the IT late S6, for sure. Otherwise agreed except there's always Euron to attack KL.
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