What if they have already filmed his resurrection scene? Carice said that Kit was the best kisser in the show, but Mel and Jon never kissed.
Considering that they left the finale on so many cliffhangers, I wouldn't be surprised by this since Season 6 will start right where Season 5 ended with maybe a day or two passing instead of weeks like Konrad said. It would have a better flow instead of the actors looking a year older.
Unless David Nutter directs 601 (and I don't think he's back for s6 because unlike Sapochnik and Podeswa who've said they're back, he said he doesn't know what's going on in s6), I don't think the DGA would let them integrate another director's footage into the premiere. So it'd have to be new footage.
Kit will be spotted. IIRC mattpeto posted in another thread that he's already been seen in Belfast (where pre-production for s6 is likely going down now). If he was done with the show, he'd probably have gotten rid of whatever apartment he has there. It'll be an open secret basically. He really ought to have given an easier lie because for sullied show-fans this one was a tad too transparent.
I doubt they'll be able to hide Kit as easily as other actors even if they put him in complete seclusion in some remote bed and breakfast the way they did Lennie James for TWD finale. The fans of Kit Harrington / Jon Snow are far more rabid than other characters on the show so the minute he's spotted anywhere in public it will be snapped on a camera phone.
I honestly don't think they care. They know the most die-hard GoT fans are going to troll the internet for months on end anyways so why even bother making a big effort to hide it especially with all the rumor-mill that has been grinding out resurrection theories since the end of the last book 4 years back. You'd have to live under a rock and never turn on the internet to not at least have heard about the idea of him coming back from the dead.
Brown eyes can change a lot depending on the light, the only thing that happens in that shot IMO is that they used more light in the final shots, and his pupils reacted by becoming smaller, making his eyes look lighter than they usually are.
Have really thought a lot about the Jon Snow thing this past week...
Along with the clumsy way they handled Stannis, I'm quite a bit more annoyed with Jon's "death" scene than I initially was after the finale. Maybe it's because I've read more reasonable/logical arguments about it here and in articles and reviews but you know what? The way they decided to play out FTW was shitty and there's just really no excuse for it.
Why were D&D afraid to make Jon an oathbreaker? Why make alliser/olly into 'evil' bad guys and Jon into a 'good' guy who was just trying to save wildlings?
Also - why are they having Kit lie in interviews? Did they really think we'd buy it that they sat him down and said his time on the show was over and he's not coming back? This is lame.
It's lame they didn't explore his warging abilities. It's lame they had Melisandre show up two minutes before he's killed and Davos is there too ... but nah, those don't mean shit. He's just dead and gone.
Have really thought a lot about the Jon Snow thing this past week...
Along with the clumsy way they handled Stannis, I'm quite a bit more annoyed with Jon's "death" scene than I initially was after the finale. Maybe it's because I've read more reasonable/logical arguments about it here and in articles and reviews but you know what? The way they decided to play out FTW was shitty and there's just really no excuse for it.
Why were D&D afraid to make Jon an oathbreaker? Why make alliser/olly into 'evil' bad guys and Jon into a 'good' guy who was just trying to save wildlings?
Also - why are they having Kit lie in interviews? Did they really think we'd buy it that they sat him down and said his time on the show was over and he's not coming back? This is lame.
It's lame they didn't explore his warging abilities. It's lame they had Melisandre show up two minutes before he's killed and Davos is there too ... but nah, those don't mean shit. He's just dead and gone.
I'm pretty put out right now, can you tell?
That bothered me too. The oathbreaking. In the books FTW is justice, in the show Thorne & co are just stupid.
The show had to mix AFFC with ADWD and even some events from TWOW, is normal they simplified most of the storylines. They have always done this, sometimes it can be an improvement over the books (like Meeren), and other times the plots become less interesting, like Jon giving castles to the wildings and the Pink Letter (although I already said I think that particular plot wouldn't have worked with Sansa in Arya's place, because I'm convinced Arya is the only person who could make Jon break his vows).
I think it still worked, is not like Marsh and co. attacked Jon only because he wanted to go South, they also did it because they didn't want the wildings at the Wall, and because Marsh is an idiot who was scared shitless of what the Iron Throne would do if the Night's Watch didn't obey their wishes, even though Tywin was dead and Cersei doesn't give a fuck about the Watch.
Have really thought a lot about the Jon Snow thing this past week...
Along with the clumsy way they handled Stannis, I'm quite a bit more annoyed with Jon's "death" scene than I initially was after the finale. Maybe it's because I've read more reasonable/logical arguments about it here and in articles and reviews but you know what? The way they decided to play out FTW was shitty and there's just really no excuse for it.
Why were D&D afraid to make Jon an oathbreaker? Why make alliser/olly into 'evil' bad guys and Jon into a 'good' guy who was just trying to save wildlings?
Also - why are they having Kit lie in interviews? Did they really think we'd buy it that they sat him down and said his time on the show was over and he's not coming back? This is lame.
It's lame they didn't explore his warging abilities. It's lame they had Melisandre show up two minutes before he's killed and Davos is there too ... but nah, those don't mean shit. He's just dead and gone.
I'm pretty put out right now, can you tell?
I think FTW had to change because they put Jon at Hardhome (which I thought was a really cool thing to do). Two weeks after seeing the army of the dead rise with your own eyes, after you've seen most of the Free Folk be slaughtered almost effortlessly and then join the army of the dead - you'd have to be incredibly scatterbrained / stupid / irresponsible to get caught up in Winterfell politics, even if your sister is there.
They had Jon stare into the face of the death of his entire civilization. Jon simply couldn't credibly pivot from that to "Winterfell is now my top priority". I do blame Jon for barely even trying to persuade the men of the Night's Watch of the path he needed to take. When he started making unpopular decisions, he started avoiding his men. And his big speech about unifying humanity against the dead was only ever delivered to the Free Folk, not to the men of the Night's Watch or to Stannis. Sheesh, Stannis should have sent away his mercenaries, bought more supplies, and then settled into a tower to defend the Wall through the winter, and Jon never even suggested such a course of action to him.
So we did see Jon fail as a leader. It wasn't just that his men lacked vision, it was also that we never saw Jon really try to share his vision with them. Which is Starky of him. People talked about that last scene of Jon going through his mail as a nod to the Pink Letter, and maybe it was, but it was also a telling scene of Jon isolating himself from his men. He should have had guys like Thorne in there to hear their advice and keep the leadership unified and informed. He just didn't want to deal with Thorne, so he was alone.
Maybe the show should have included some kind of inciting incident between Thorne's group and the Free Folk. Maybe the discussion about sacrificing their winter supplies to keep the Free Folk alive. Maybe an incident with Wun Wun. Maybe a reprisal from the Free Folk over Mance's death. Something to justify Thorne's decision that the situation was untenable, and in particular, to explain the timing of the mutiny.
But I'm glad they didn't make Jon into the kind of moron who forgets about the oncoming zombie army he has seen with his own eyes.
Have really thought a lot about the Jon Snow thing this past week...
Along with the clumsy way they handled Stannis, I'm quite a bit more annoyed with Jon's "death" scene than I initially was after the finale. Maybe it's because I've read more reasonable/logical arguments about it here and in articles and reviews but you know what? The way they decided to play out FTW was shitty and there's just really no excuse for it.
Why were D&D afraid to make Jon an oathbreaker? Why make alliser/olly into 'evil' bad guys and Jon into a 'good' guy who was just trying to save wildlings?
Also - why are they having Kit lie in interviews? Did they really think we'd buy it that they sat him down and said his time on the show was over and he's not coming back? This is lame.
It's lame they didn't explore his warging abilities. It's lame they had Melisandre show up two minutes before he's killed and Davos is there too ... but nah, those don't mean shit. He's just dead and gone.
I'm pretty put out right now, can you tell?
I think FTW had to change because they put Jon at Hardhome (which I thought was a really cool thing to do). Two weeks after seeing the army of the dead rise with your own eyes, after you've seen most of the Free Folk be slaughtered almost effortlessly and then join the army of the dead - you'd have to be incredibly scatterbrained / stupid / irresponsible to get caught up in Winterfell politics, even if your sister is there.
They had Jon stare into the face of the death of his entire civilization. Jon simply couldn't credibly pivot from that to "Winterfell is now my top priority". I do blame Jon for barely even trying to persuade the men of the Night's Watch of the path he needed to take. When he started making unpopular decisions, he started avoiding his men. And his big speech about unifying humanity against the dead was only ever delivered to the Free Folk, not to the men of the Night's Watch or to Stannis. Sheesh, Stannis should have sent away his mercenaries, bought more supplies, and then settled into a tower to defend the Wall through the winter, and Jon never even suggested such a course of action to him.
So we did see Jon fail as a leader. It wasn't just that his men lacked vision, it was also that we never saw Jon really try to share his vision with them. Which is Starky of him. People talked about that last scene of Jon going through his mail as a nod to the Pink Letter, and maybe it was, but it was also a telling scene of Jon isolating himself from his men. He should have had guys like Thorne in there to hear their advice and keep the leadership unified and informed. He just didn't want to deal with Thorne, so he was alone.
Maybe the show should have included some kind of inciting incident between Thorne's group and the Free Folk. Maybe the discussion about sacrificing their winter supplies to keep the Free Folk alive. Maybe an incident with Wun Wun. Maybe a reprisal from the Free Folk over Mance's death. Something to justify Thorne's decision that the situation was untenable, and in particular, to explain the timing of the mutiny.
But I'm glad they didn't make Jon into the kind of moron who forgets about the oncoming zombie army he has seen with his own eyes.
Good logical points all around. I think I was feeling miffed earlier because of some really compelling articles I had read. There's always a counter argument to plot changes and it does make sense that with Hardhome pumping up the wildling side of the story they would use that as the primary focus for the 'traitor' accusation by the watch. I'm still annoyed they did not explore the more grey area character dilemma Jon Snow went through with breaking his vows - but at the risk of using that "whitewashing" term, I know they lightened Dany a lot too and I've forgiven most of that.
And you made good suggestions they could have done in having Alliser and co. upset about feeding or helping the wildlings with so few supplies and men etc, but all that has been explained in the show if not in the finale.