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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 25, 2016 13:18:20 GMT
They're always clever and open for interpretation. I'm not sure with Ramsay's point of view- she is in the kennel, not outside it. I like symmetry, Arryn's banner in window behind her, fact that she looks like Themis, all small details are in point, like always. I'm not arguing with level of this piece of art, it's beautiful and I understand hints, but after few articles and some consideration about my own feelings, I simply don't like Sansa revenge theme  I like painting, I don't like its theme. Understandable. You wanted to see the focus on a death you cared more about. I just want to delude myself with Sansa's path one more week or one more year. But unfortunatelly I read something that makes me change my mind about her, so I'm not longer enthusiastic with her in center of last episode, or even whole North arc this season  References to Greek mythology here are nice and clever: Sansa as Themis goddess of justice, sometimes portrays as blind (like blind Sansa here-we don't see her face), but in more intimate way- her justice is personal, more like revenge, which could be symbolizing by two parts of arrow- she keeps it closer to her body, than Themis does. Drapery reminds of greek's one and hounds could be interpreted as Cerberus- monster multi-headed dog, who guide gates to underworld, let's say hell, and prevent deads fromcoming back: Ramsay's own dogs prevent him from leaving the eternal hell of being forgotten, in which Sansa puts him as a bloody goddess of justice, or more personal in this one- deserved revenge. Not sure if it could be official interpretation, but that's my thouhgts as a former history of art student. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 13:20:27 GMT
Understandable. You wanted to see the focus on a death you cared more about. I just want to delude myself with Sansa's path one more week or one more year. But unfortunatelly I read something that makes me change my mind about her, so I'm not longer enthusiastic with her in center of last episode, or even whole North arc this season References to Greek mythology here are nice and clever: Sansa as Themis goddess of justice, sometimes portrays as blind (like blind Sansa here-we don't see her face), but in more intimate way- her justice is personal, more like revenge, which could be symbolizing by two parts of arrow- she keeps it closer to her body, than Themis does. Drapery reminds of greek's one and hounds could be interpreted as Cerberus- monster multi-headed dog, who guide gates to underworld, let's say hell, and prevent deads fromcoming back: Ramsay's own dogs prevent him from leaving the eternal hell of being forgotten, in which Sansa puts him as a bloody goddess of justice, or more personal in this one- deserved revenge. Not sure if it could be official interpretation, but that's my thouhgts as a former history of art student. Damn, that's brilliant. Gonna go look at some Themis stuff. |
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 25, 2016 13:33:09 GMT
I just want to delude myself with Sansa's path one more week or one more year. But unfortunatelly I read something that makes me change my mind about her, so I'm not longer enthusiastic with her in center of last episode, or even whole North arc this season References to Greek mythology here are nice and clever: Sansa as Themis goddess of justice, sometimes portrays as blind (like blind Sansa here-we don't see her face), but in more intimate way- her justice is personal, more like revenge, which could be symbolizing by two parts of arrow- she keeps it closer to her body, than Themis does. Drapery reminds of greek's one and hounds could be interpreted as Cerberus- monster multi-headed dog, who guide gates to underworld, let's say hell, and prevent deads fromcoming back: Ramsay's own dogs prevent him from leaving the eternal hell of being forgotten, in which Sansa puts him as a bloody goddess of justice, or more personal in this one- deserved revenge. Not sure if it could be official interpretation, but that's my thouhgts as a former history of art student. Damn, that's brilliant. Gonna go look at some Themis stuff. Thanks, but tbh for people with background of artistic education it's literally 5 seconds to catch it  , takes me longer to put these thoughts together in english Greek mythology themes are universal for our culture, with Bible they're literally base of it, so it's never ending fun to search and find them in pop culture  |
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 25, 2016 14:44:48 GMT
Oh, @witchy if you're interested in Themis I've got for you two more things:
Themis has got two obligatory atributes: Weight to assess the weight of the allegations- here we got two parts of arrow, symbol of Ramsay's crimes, which Sansa keeps close to her because his crimes hurt her and her family- she won't be objective and blind like Themis, who keeps weight possibly far for herself to makes righteous judgment. Sansa's judgment is personal. The second atribute of Themis is a sword which she administers justice, she keeps it close to her, as a personal responsibility for sentence. Sansa's sword are dogs- they are not as close to her as sword to Themis, because Sansa doesn't administer justice with her own hands, she used others to do that.
And perspective: she is in Ramsay's place, inside, not outside the kennel, as a symbol of her partialy taking his place, by taking his methods (I will always be a part of you), her being changed by him and his cruelty to her. It is interesting corresponds to the theme of the sword , which in the context of the administration of justice appeared already in series by Ned's advice that The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. Ned Stark's way was close to original idea of Themis- objective justice and personal responsibility for death sentence. Sansa is Themis idea twisted by her tragic story- justice is more like revenge and responsibility for death sentence is not personal, Sansa used others for her purposes, like she was used by others earlier. For Sansa it is some kind of death her Stark way by decision of using her enemies methods. And for us is only justice which we could get in show: not easy ideal one (because ASoIaF isn't ideal world), but twisted, cruel, taking something good from us in exchange. The destructive revenge, not catharsis justice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 16:50:07 GMT
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 26, 2016 21:34:58 GMT
Eww, rewatching the episode and Tyrion comes across as even more annoying the second time. Who the fuck is he to lecture Theon, saying he hasn't paid for his crimes because he is still alive?
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 26, 2016 21:37:09 GMT
Eww, rewatching the episode and Turion comes across as even more annoying the second time. Who the fuck is he to lecture Theon, saying he hasn't paid for his crimes because he is still alive? Well Tyrion didn't (allegedly) betray and murder two young boys who were practically his brothers. I doubt Theon has explained himself yet. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 26, 2016 21:41:08 GMT
Eww, rewatching the episode and Tyrion comes across as even more annoying the second time. Who the fuck is he to lecture Theon, saying he hasn't paid for his crimes because he is still alive? Tyrion just doesn't like Theon, he was a prick to him back in season one, taunting him about sleeping with Roz, who Theon obviously liked. It was also a poor decision to taunt a potential new ally for Dany. Tyrion is usually objective when it comes to politics, but he's letting his personal opinion get in the way here. As for Sansa, this isn't a story that rewards characters for revenge, especially if you try to retain your moral compass. Either you get punished and die, like Robb, or you lose your morals and become a monster, like Littlefinger. We'll see what happens. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 26, 2016 21:42:10 GMT
Eww, rewatching the episode and Turion comes across as even more annoying the second time. Who the fuck is he to lecture Theon, saying he hasn't paid for his crimes because he is still alive? Well Tyrion didn't (allegedly) betray and murder two young boys who were practically his brothers. I doubt Theon has explained himself yet. Theon admits it wasn't the Stark boys, and that even so it doesn't excuse him. Tyrion is just hypocritical IMO |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 26, 2016 21:45:02 GMT
Tyrion has a soft spot for bastards and crippled things, but when it comes to lords who are full of themselves, Tyrion loves using his position to put them in their place.
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Post by Enid on Jun 26, 2016 22:06:54 GMT
Is not like Tyrion knows what Theon went through with Ramsay. As far as he knows, Theon betrayed Robb, took Winterfell, killed two boys, torched the place, and went home. And except for the burning of Winterfell and that he spent months of torture in the hands of a sadist before going back to the Iron Islands, he isn't wrong.
We feel for Theon because we know more than Tyrion does.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 26, 2016 22:16:43 GMT
Also Tyrion was a slave. A SLAVE!!
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 26, 2016 22:20:25 GMT
Also Tyrion was a slave. A SLAVE!! Yeah, wasn't he in that movie... 12 hours a slave? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 22:21:15 GMT
Also Tyrion was a slave. A SLAVE!!    |
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 26, 2016 22:37:11 GMT
Also Tyrion was a slave. A SLAVE!! Yeah, wasn't he in that movie... 12 hours a slave? Sry, my mistake - it wasn't 12 hours but 12 days:  |
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Post by Admin on Jul 1, 2016 20:53:10 GMT
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Post by Jaehaerys Targaryen on Aug 10, 2016 0:20:05 GMT
Why didn't Sansa say she wrote to LF?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 7:43:38 GMT
Why didn't Sansa say she wrote to LF? that's the million dollar question. I have no idea. One of the only reasons for the secrecy IMO was that she didn't know whether her plan would actually work. And didn't want to tell Jon and then look like a disappointment if it didn't work out. |
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I like painting, I don't like its theme.
, takes me longer to put these thoughts together in english 
