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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 4:11:31 GMT
*edit: This was an incoherent mess from two hours after the episode. I'm going to give it more thought and a better review tonight.
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2016 5:58:13 GMT
I'm so at loss at choosing what my favorite thing was: - it was really Arya last week. She is just this dumb. - Arya jumping around after being almost gutted, giving Noomi Rapace in Prometheus run for her money - such expert build up for wildfire in king's landing. One line - Brienne saying she fulfilled her vow. Last I checked Catelyn has 2 daughters - Jaime comparing Catelyn to Cersei - Blackfish is a legendary fighter. Let's kill him off screen. - oh wait. I know my favorite. Half of thousand Catelyn mentions, actually 3 separate conversations about her. That river moment. The hangings. Thoros being back and then.... recalibrating the entire book arc from BwB/LSH vs Freys to "Sandor you are so cool. Let's fight zombies together". What's next? They're gonna fish out Blackfish? Bring him back? 
Is Hot Pie gonna show up too? Is he gonna teach Arya how to bake pies? As Sandor sings "yummy yummy love in my tummy" Ah, who cares.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 7:18:53 GMT
A solid nine.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Jun 13, 2016 7:23:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 7:26:02 GMT
Alright, how the fuck do even get a real average rating from this mess?  |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Jun 13, 2016 7:39:49 GMT
Alright, how the fuck do even get a real average rating from this mess? What did you like / didn't like?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 7:53:54 GMT
Alright, how the fuck do even get a real average rating from this mess? What did you like / didn't like? I was talking about the all over the place ratings from members here. I liked the scenes in King's Landing and Braavos, but I'm gonna do a rewatch though before I give this episode a proper rating. Sandor killing the outlaws somewhat reminded me of the scene where he saved Sansa from the riots. Just the way that he murdered them, it was brutal but awesome. As for Meereen, the shot of the ships throwing fireballs at the city was great, but I felt like there were scenes missing. Nathalie's laugh is cute though. I enjoyed the scene where Jaime and Brienne have the subtle farewell and I thought Tobias's acting was fantastic in his scene with NCW, but the rest felt anticlimactic. I'm not sure if it was supposed to be the way, but I would have liked to see The Blackfish actually fight instead of just being mentioned as dead. It makes it seem like Brienne's journey there was pointless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 10:45:00 GMT
9. It was alright, but I feel like something was lacking. 6x06 and 6x07 had the same problem.
Blackfish dying offscreen was lame as fuck, though I guess we will get a proper Tully funeral for him in the finale.
This episode made me once again realize that the Starks are excellent in getting themselves killed. "A guild of assassins is after me, I better just carelessly walk around in the open!"
Dany's entrance was super random and kind of ruined the scene for me. The conversation between Tyrion and the two worst characters ever was pointless. I liked his scene with Varys though. I'm glad that there was no Shae vision.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 10:47:03 GMT
wow, i thought it was a good episode, but there were some seriously annoying things  Everything in King's Landing i quite liked. There's not going to be any trial by combat  so we are not going to get any head smushes?  Not fair because the Mountain likes head smushes and we should just let him do that! But eurrghh i really hoped that we would actually get Cersei's trial this episode. Can we not delay this like ANY FURTHER. I'm going as mad as Cersei's supposed to be  Good to know Lancel knows when to back down, and the High Sparrow isn't stupid. I wonder what this secret about HS is though. HYPE. Great to see more Qyburn, Kevan and Pycelle though! Arya. So it actually was her. This makes last episode so much more worse...i think she was being very stupid then. She broke the rules of the FM and she expects to survive...yeh i don't think she was listening to Jaquen very well. Despite that, her scene with Lady Crane was lovely, and jesus she looks like catelyn  it was really touching to see Arya with a mother-like figure again. And i wanted her to go to Pentos with the theatre troupe So we kind of got confirmation about how the FM work, the names are 'promised' and they take this very seriously. The chase was kind of 'meh' for me. I thought the waif played her part very well and it was intense in parts. But i kept getting taken out of the scene because i didn't believe Arya could physically do all that after taking multiple stab wounds to the gut. I mean she should be dead. I wonder when Jaquen saw the Waif's face in the hall and he said "A girl is finally no one", was he talking about the Waif or Arya? i have a feeling he was talking about the Waif. Either way, kind of an anti-climatic ending. Although i loved Arya's last line  yeah gurl. Tyrion and Varys goodbye was well done. Tyrion's awkward joke scene was okay. I liked particularly how Grey Worm became happy when he made Missandei laugh. I wish that scene were shorter, and when the siege started those scenes were longer! i wasn't expecting the fireballs from the ships and that was awesome, i was half expecting the Iron Fleet to come out of nowhere and start fighting, and Rhaegal and Viserion to start burning shit up. But no, we got a lame scene of Dany arriving back, and then it ended show me more!!! Glad to see Dany back though  in my favourite new outfit of hers. Siege of Riverrun. I think it was mostly very well done. And hey, Edmure finally spoke!!! I'm glad because Tobias Menzies is a phenomenal actor (see JR in Outlander). I loved Bronn and Pod, it made me nostalgic. Brienne and Jaime's was okay. I love how Brienne brings out the best in him. But then he went full incest-retard in his talk with Edmure. I prefer book Jaime and i can't tell you how much his character at the moment annoys the fuck out of me. But it makes sense in the context of the show and i was pleased with all the acting in the Riverlands this episode. Blackfish's goodbye was especially well done and emotional. I don't know why. Edmure you did what you had to do . "Don't talk about Cat!" ( you mean "don't talk about your sister")  I thought the Hound's run in with the randoms and the BWB was 'meh'. As soon as i saw Beric alive my heart sank a little. It's interesting what they are talking about though. I fully expect them to run into Brienne and Pod still even though the story is kind of done now... Will the Hound go south to KL when he finds out about his brother? Will Arya reunite with anyone? So many questions... Overall a great episode, but this late in the season i expected some payoff in KL. I'm also sick of seeing characters stay static (Jaime) who shouldn't be. And no North! 7/10 |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 13, 2016 10:52:07 GMT
What did you like / didn't like? I was talking about the all over the place ratings from members here. I liked the scenes in King's Landing and Braavos, but I'm gonna do a rewatch though before I give this episode a proper rating. Sandor killing the outlaws somewhat reminded me of the scene where he saved Sansa from the riots. Just the way that he murdered them, it was brutal but awesome. As for Meereen, the shot of the ships throwing fireballs at the city was great, but I felt like there were scenes missing. Nathalie's laugh is cute though. I enjoyed the scene where Jaime and Brienne have the subtle farewell and I thought Tobias's acting was fantastic in his scene with NCW, but the rest felt anticlimactic. I'm not sure if it was supposed to be the way, but I would have liked to see The Blackfish actually fight instead of just being mentioned as dead. It makes it seem like Brienne's journey there was pointless. I kind of feel like people sometimes tend to rate the episodes on single scenes rather than the overall episode... Maybe that's just because I have one of the lower ratings though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 10:56:49 GMT
I was talking about the all over the place ratings from members here. I liked the scenes in King's Landing and Braavos, but I'm gonna do a rewatch though before I give this episode a proper rating. Sandor killing the outlaws somewhat reminded me of the scene where he saved Sansa from the riots. Just the way that he murdered them, it was brutal but awesome. As for Meereen, the shot of the ships throwing fireballs at the city was great, but I felt like there were scenes missing. Nathalie's laugh is cute though. I enjoyed the scene where Jaime and Brienne have the subtle farewell and I thought Tobias's acting was fantastic in his scene with NCW, but the rest felt anticlimactic. I'm not sure if it was supposed to be the way, but I would have liked to see The Blackfish actually fight instead of just being mentioned as dead. It makes it seem like Brienne's journey there was pointless. Maybe that's just because I have one of the lower ratings though. I really don't think so. I just think people here really liked most things about the episode. And some people didn't like it as much. Both is completely ok. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 13, 2016 10:57:14 GMT
If you're a book purist, Riverrun siege played out basically note for note, yes (I suppose with Brienne's escape subbing for Blackfish but that was an improvement IMO). It was the main reason when everyone was all "OMG, why don't they show Jaime's Riverrun stuff" last season I was like "the Riverrun siege was not really that great fellas". It's a kind of a cocktease of a storyline in general although the conversations are all top notch. The show basically gave the bookfans the exact book translation of the events (or as close as you can get to a 100% adaptation these days). I thought it was very good but mostly because all of Jaime's scenes there in the book seriously lowered my expectations. Really glad we got all the great acting and cinematography there because it helped mask the fact that George gave us not much in the way of exciting developments there during that section.  |
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Post by breakfest on Jun 13, 2016 10:57:34 GMT
It was a really good episode from an individual standpoint but I do think there are some big problems with it in the context of the season.
Arya's behaviour from last episode isn't made any better retroactively. It was an incredibly forced development from a logical and dramatic standpoint and the fact that they played it so straightforward is just disappointing. Not because I want ridiculous fan-theorying to be correct but because they could have tied up all of the interaction between Arya, Jaqen and the Waif in a really interesting way but none of the characters' actions felt natural or well-motivated in the last two episodes. Also it let the whole Braavos journey loop back around to where we always knew it would completely unsurprisingly.
Riverrun scenes were great but they've had no forward momentum. Brienne leaves with nothing, Jaime presumably just heads back to King's Landing. Some nice character stuff but not really any requisite climax - hopefully it can lead somewhere interesting in the finale but there was no setup for it here.
King's Landing they again dealt in anti-climax. Not that I like rooting for people to get their heads ripped off but after such a long buildup to using The Mountain I think it's kind of unnecessary to rein him back in again.
Not every climax to an arc has to be saved for the final episode! But that's what it feels like.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 13, 2016 11:02:56 GMT
I kind of feel like people sometimes tend to rate the episodes on single scenes rather than the overall episode...Maybe that's just because I have one of the lower ratings though. I really don't think so. I just think people here really liked most things about the episode. And some people didn't like it as much. Both is completely ok. Maybe, just my observation. But I'm of the opinion that not every episode can be, or has to be a nine or a ten, nine is an exceptional episode. Eight is a good all round episode. Seven is pretty close to eight but with a few let flat points. And ten is for a perfect episode, like next week's episode. Honestly 6-4 is mediocre, anything below that isn't worth watching. Purely all my opinion though, I don't mean it in a bad way. Different people like different things I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 11:08:38 GMT
I really don't think so. I just think people here really liked most things about the episode. And some people didn't like it as much. Both is completely ok. Maybe, just my observation. But I'm of the opinion that not every episode can be, or has to be a nine or a ten, nine is an exceptional episode. Eight is a good all round episode. Seven is pretty close to eight but with a few let flat points. And ten is for a perfect episode, like next week's episode. Honestly 6-4 is mediocre, anything below that isn't worth watching. Purely all my opinion though, I don't mean it in a bad way. Different people like different things I guess. I completely agree and that's why I gave last week's episode a 7.  But this season has been really strong and thus I'm not surprised that so many episodes are getting 8s, 9s and 10s. There have been episodes that got a 6 from me in past seasons, I personally just don't think that this season had an episode that was weak. The most recent one in particular was pretty great. I liked almost everything about it. As you said, different people like different things. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 13, 2016 11:14:26 GMT
It's an 8 from me. I toyed with giving it a 7, but I don't think anything can outdo the Dorne dilemma from episode 1. (Yet.) The Positives- Riverrun was near-flawless. The acting, the writing, all so close to being perfect, and I won't let my one problem bring the rest of it down. It was fantastic - King's Landing scenes were pretty good, even if I wanted a bit more bloodshed. Bonus points for Kevan doing something  And Gregor ripping that sparrow's head off - Meereen was mostly good. The Tyrion-Missandei-Grey Worm scene was better than the last one, mainly because they finally showed some PERSONALITY. The siege, despite coming out of nowhere and also kinda for no reason, looked cool I guess. - Arya going home. That last line was good I suppose The Mehs- Not a big fan of the Waif's tactics. She's a faceless man, why is she running around in broad daylight with a dagger in her hand chasing after Arya. What happened to subtlety? - So, by killing the Waif, Arya has become no one? What, Jaqen? How?  - King's Landing was a mega-cocktease. We knew at least one sparrow would die. We've seen it many times. Why not leave one survivor? A bit disappointing. The Negatives- Since I wouldn't dare lower my rating for last episode, I'll knock this one down a bit for Arya being a complete idiot, strolling about as if she's in no danger.  If you're going to have her just ignore her injuries and jump about Braavos without a care in the world, what was the point of last week's scene? Why not just have her go to Lady Crane for a hideout in the first place? - Dany's entrance was ridiculously anti-climactic. "Oh, hi Dany. Oh, that's it? Ok, bye!" - As much as I like the Hound, Beric wants him to go the wrong way. It's south he should be going, not north. (That's what I took from his words anyway) - And talk about wasted opportunity with the Brotherhood. I've never been a big fan/believer of LSH, but I see no reason why she couldn't have appeared this season. Seemed like a solid setup, for something enormously anti-climactic. - Killing the Blackfish offscreen. The biggest wasted opportunity of the season IMO. All this talk about him being a great warrior, and we don't see a second of it. I don't see a single reason for not showing it. It's like if season 5 episode 4 ended with Barristan drawing his sword, then the next episode begins with him lying dead in front of Dany. Totally underwhelming. Awful decision. With all those negatives, a 7 is looking more accurate. My opinion has almost changed in the course of typing this. But until a rewatch I'll stay optimistic and keep it as an 8 because the positives were very positive. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 13, 2016 11:16:58 GMT
Arya. So it actually was her. This makes last episode so much more worse...i think she was being very stupid then. She broke the rules of the FM and she expects to survive...yeh i don't think she was listening to Jaquen very well. see This is my main complaint with whole faceless man storyline in the show (and the books if it plays out the same). All of this conflict is created by Arya, and ultimately it's kind of pointless. She leaves, and Jaqen will pretty much disappear from the story. There is some stuff in the books that may yet be in the show involving Oldtown, but otherwise, Arya's side story was just that. At least we'll get Arya back in Westeros, and hopefully, reunited with the Hound, or Jon and Sansa. Or better still, all 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 11:25:31 GMT
Arya. So it actually was her. This makes last episode so much more worse...i think she was being very stupid then. She broke the rules of the FM and she expects to survive...yeh i don't think she was listening to Jaquen very well. see This is my main complaint with whole faceless man storyline in the show (and the books if it plays out the same). All of this conflict is created by Arya, and ultimately it's kind of pointless. She leaves, and Jaqen will pretty much disappear from the story. There is some stuff in the books that may yet be in the show involving Oldtown, but otherwise, Arya's side story was just that. At least we'll get Arya back in Westeros, and hopefully, reunited with the Hound, or Jon and Sansa. Or better still, all 3. I think my main gripe with the story is they made it unnecessarily violent. Like arya got beaten up half the time and we never really learnt much about the Faceless Men guild. In fact we hardly learnt anything about Braavos, Arya never made any friends there either as herself or under another disguise. We never got attached to Braavos, so her leaving was just...meh -we knew it was coming because it never actually seemed like she would become no one. In episode 3 or 4 she says she is 'no one' and in ep 5 she is clearly Arya again. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 13, 2016 11:49:59 GMT
5. Didn't like it much, other than some great acting from the cast. Liked: Riverrun. Really the 5 points come almost solely from this because that was great stuff. Theatre Troupe Kings Landing was okay, but didn't love it. Just mediocre. Disliked: Arya and the Waif. Nicely shot but as part of Arya's overall story was pretty pointless. And the Waif continues to be a weak part of this story. She hates Arya, because reasons, despite the fact she should be No-One. And the cut to black so we don't see her demise seemed a bit off. Oh, and also Arya running and jumpin and then BEATING THE WAIF while seriously injured by gut stabbing. Ugh Speaking of off-screen deaths, not seeing the Blackfish's last stand disappointed me. No LSH, Beric instead. *sigh* Tyrion Didn't mind Dany showing up, but e rather abrupt cut away when she walked into the room felt jarring. |
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jun 13, 2016 12:32:55 GMT
She is just this dumb. - Arya jumping around after being almost gutted,. I honestly can't get over this one, it was just so damn stupid. |
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so we are not going to get any head smushes? 
Not fair because the Mountain likes head smushes and we should just let him do that! But eurrghh i really hoped that we would actually get Cersei's trial this episode. Can we not delay this like ANY FURTHER. I'm going as mad as Cersei's supposed to be 
Good to know Lancel knows when to back down, and the High Sparrow isn't stupid. I wonder what this secret about HS is though. HYPE. Great to see more Qyburn, Kevan and Pycelle though!
it was really touching to see Arya with a mother-like figure again. And i wanted her to go to Pentos with the theatre troupe 
yeah gurl.
in my favourite new outfit of hers.
But this season has been really strong and thus I'm not surprised that so many episodes are getting 8s, 9s and 10s. There have been episodes that got a 6 from me in past seasons, I personally just don't think that this season had an episode that was weak. The most recent one in particular was pretty great. I liked almost everything about it. As you said, different people like different things. 
And Gregor ripping that sparrow's head off
If you're going to have her just ignore her injuries and jump about Braavos without a care in the world, what was the point of last week's scene? Why not just have her go to Lady Crane for a hideout in the first place? 
