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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 4:41:25 GMT
I think it was Arya. She was slashed once and stabbed twice. You have to stab someone in the guts several times to tear up their innards enough to kill them. And the Waif was taking her time instead of doing the job properly (and ignoring Jaqen's orders in doing so). It's entirely plausible that none of her vitals were damaged and the Waif missed them.
In comparison Jon was stabbed like a dozen times and then was still alive to get it in the heart, which was what killed him. Otherwise he would've just bled out. Of course nowadays a lot can be done to sew up and shorten intestines. In GoT's medieval setting being stabbed that as many times as Jon was would mean you're fucked. But that's not the case with Arya.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 4:49:43 GMT
I think it was Arya. She was slashed once and stabbed twice. You have to stab someone in the guts several times to tear up their innards enough to kill them. And the Waif was taking her time instead of doing the job properly (and ignoring Jaqen's orders in doing so). It's entirely plausible that none of her vitals were damaged and the Waif missed them. In comparison Jon was stabbed like a dozen times and then was still alive to get it in the heart, which was what killed him. Otherwise he would've just bled out. Of course nowadays a lot can be done to sew up and shorten intestines. In GoT's medieval setting being stabbed that as many times as Jon was would mean you're fucked. But that's not the case with Arya. I know it's just a fantasy story and all but being stabbed in the guts is one of the worst things that can happen to you because if you pierce the stomach or intestines (which takes up a large part of that area) then your digestive juices and shit (literally) can leak into the rest of your body and you die of septic shock. There's no way to fix that especially in those medieval conditions. We can only save people in modern times with it because of hardcore antibiotics. Dying of sepsis is a slow and terrible way to go. If she can get the bleeding to stop (or someone helps) she could still die of the infection. But anyways, I still say the whole thing was weird and something's up. Someone is going to save Arya or that wasn't actually Arya.  Plot armor! |
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Post by Admin on Jun 6, 2016 4:57:53 GMT
Sansa is getting so annoying this season. She just keeps talking about the Starks and expecting everyone to bend to her will because she wants them to. AND she dares question Davos, AND she dares insult the Mannis.  Lady Bolton did what?! |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 6, 2016 4:59:08 GMT
I think it was Arya. She was slashed once and stabbed twice. You have to stab someone in the guts several times to tear up their innards enough to kill them. And the Waif was taking her time instead of doing the job properly (and ignoring Jaqen's orders in doing so). It's entirely plausible that none of her vitals were damaged and the Waif missed them. In comparison Jon was stabbed like a dozen times and then was still alive to get it in the heart, which was what killed him. Otherwise he would've just bled out. Of course nowadays a lot can be done to sew up and shorten intestines. In GoT's medieval setting being stabbed that as many times as Jon was would mean you're fucked. But that's not the case with Arya. Or maybe the Waif deliberately stab Arya ineffectively just so to make her suffer a slow death. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 4:59:29 GMT
I'm glad I picked a Mormont sigil if this is where I get to live.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 4:59:55 GMT
I think it was Arya. She was slashed once and stabbed twice. You have to stab someone in the guts several times to tear up their innards enough to kill them. And the Waif was taking her time instead of doing the job properly (and ignoring Jaqen's orders in doing so). It's entirely plausible that none of her vitals were damaged and the Waif missed them. In comparison Jon was stabbed like a dozen times and then was still alive to get it in the heart, which was what killed him. Otherwise he would've just bled out. Of course nowadays a lot can be done to sew up and shorten intestines. In GoT's medieval setting being stabbed that as many times as Jon was would mean you're fucked. But that's not the case with Arya. Or maybe the Waif deliberately stab Arya ineffectively just so to make her suffer a slow death. Her sadism is probably the only reason Arya's still alive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 5:01:43 GMT
I'm glad I picked a Mormont sigil if this is where I get to live. That shot looked like something straight out of LotR. Amazing.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 5:02:54 GMT
I'm glad I picked a Mormont sigil if this is where I get to live. That shot looked like something straight out of LotR. Amazing. I was thinking something straight out of Skyrim (especially since we were just talking about the music earlier)   |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 5:04:11 GMT
I'm glad I picked a Mormont sigil if this is where I get to live. That shot looked like something straight out of LotR. Amazing. It does kind of look like a snowy Rivendell. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jun 6, 2016 5:25:09 GMT
How did no one bring up Jon's desertion from the NW?
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 6, 2016 5:45:58 GMT
How did no one bring up Jon's desertion from the NW? Everyone just assumes he comes back from the dead? I'll be honest, after Jon mentioned serving with Jeor Mormont I kept expecting one of them to point it out. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 6, 2016 5:46:16 GMT
I don't know what to think about Stoneheart now someone help me hype Ikr I'm confused. My minds telling me no but my body is telling me yes. What does your heart tell you? 7timesdamnedshewolf there was agreement here, included in rules of the board, not to use avatars from new episode within 24h since it airs in US |
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Post by Enid on Jun 6, 2016 6:21:36 GMT
Lyanna Mormont wins this episode.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jun 6, 2016 6:31:26 GMT
also how far away was sandor chopping that wood? that many people getting slaughtered should have made more than one scream.
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Post by Basil on Jun 6, 2016 6:51:35 GMT
God, I hate the idea of the BwB just randomly killing defenseless poor people. Before Stoneheart, they were a decent bunch who helped and defended the smallfolk. After Stoneheart, they still kind of helped the smallfolk (they established an orphanage and stuff) - but under her leadership, their main purpose shifted to capturing and killing all those she wanted dead, mainly Freys and Lannisters and all associated with them. They wouldn't just go and murder a bunch of peaceful people for no reason.  It really seems like they are just setting it up for Sandor to kill them all, so they can check another storyline off their list before moving on. I didn't like what they did this episode, Lem Lemoncloak should be off somewhere hyping LSH, not slaughtering the innocent.  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 6, 2016 7:02:30 GMT
I don't know where to start, except I've been hyping for Sandor's return for two years now. I knew he'd return, somehow, deep in my heart, I knew. I mean, the foreshadowing in the books helped, but... I thought I'd be lucky to get a brief scene of Sandor returning, I feared he wouldn't get any dialogue and would just play as a plot twist. I can't tell you how astonished I was to see my favorite character return and get a cold open just before the climax of season 6. I was overwhelmed. I can't remember the last time I felt tears of joy, but I was so amazingly surprised with Sandor's reveal tonight. I had a lump in my throat and could barely focus on the other plot lines.
They made sure Sandor's return wasn't a plot point, but allowed him to grow as a character and proffer the line of temptation versus redemption. I'm still amazed at how much time he got in tonight's episode. And I'm very excited to see where it goes from here, and I can't help but feel trepidation at his forward arc, but that's what this story is all about, isn't it?
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 6, 2016 7:16:59 GMT
God, I hate the idea of the BwB just randomly killing defenseless poor people. Before Stoneheart, they were a decent bunch who helped and defended the smallfolk. After Stoneheart, they still kind of helped the smallfolk (they established an orphanage and stuff) - but under her leadership, their main purpose shifted to capturing and killing all those she wanted dead, mainly Freys and Lannisters and all associated with them. They wouldn't just go and murder a bunch of peaceful people for no reason. It really seems like they are just setting it up for Sandor to kill them all, so they can check another storyline off their list before moving on. I didn't like what they did this episode, Lem Lemoncloak should be off somewhere hyping LSH, not slaughtering the innocent. I don't see it that way, I seem to remember the BwB growing increasingly dangerous as LSH took over, to the point of a massive schism at which point Thoros split. The BwB under LSH wouldn't work unless it seemed more dangerous than benevolent. If anything, I think this is even more proof that we'll get our cold Lady before the end of the season. Don't you see it that way? |
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Post by Enid on Jun 6, 2016 7:25:10 GMT
I agree that is was really weird for Arya to just go around Braavos not giving a fuck about the FM, maybe is true that Jaqen is testing the Waif and this is not the real Arya, who in the previous episode had Needle and was in hiding and apparently knew she was in danger. And the plot of the episode said "Arya makes a plan", which should mean something else besides looking for a ship to sail to Westeros, she is smarter than that. I want to believe it wasn't her, but until the show confirms or denies this, I'll be heartbroken for my baby.  In any case, fake Arya or not, when the shady abuela de la fabada talks to you, RUN NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE!!!!! |
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Post by Basil on Jun 6, 2016 7:46:38 GMT
God, I hate the idea of the BwB just randomly killing defenseless poor people. Before Stoneheart, they were a decent bunch who helped and defended the smallfolk. After Stoneheart, they still kind of helped the smallfolk (they established an orphanage and stuff) - but under her leadership, their main purpose shifted to capturing and killing all those she wanted dead, mainly Freys and Lannisters and all associated with them. They wouldn't just go and murder a bunch of peaceful people for no reason. It really seems like they are just setting it up for Sandor to kill them all, so they can check another storyline off their list before moving on. I didn't like what they did this episode, Lem Lemoncloak should be off somewhere hyping LSH, not slaughtering the innocent. I don't see it that way, I seem to remember the BwB growing increasingly dangerous as LSH took over, to the point of a massive schism at which point Thoros split. The BwB under LSH wouldn't work unless it seemed more dangerous than benevolent. If anything, I think this is even more proof that we'll get our cold Lady before the end of the season. Don't you see it that way? The BwB is much more dangerous and unpredictable under Stoneheart's leadership, no question, but I don't think we have any reason to believe that they would murder a bunch of innocent people, men, women and children alike, unless they had a very good reason for it, and they really didn't seem to have one in this episode. We have more reason to believe that they do, in fact, still care for the common folk, at least to some small extent. I don't think there was ever a split in the brotherood into two separate factions, instead some of its members simply left because they weren't happy with Catelyn's leadership. Thoros is still with them, he's just super depressed. The BwB is leading a campaign of bloody vengance for the Red Wedding, and everyone who gets in their way is likely to die, but the show presented them as common thieves in this episode, and nothing more. It was especially painful to see Lem Lemoncloak like that. |
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Post by Enid on Jun 6, 2016 7:57:18 GMT
There is one thing about the BwB attack that kind of annoys me: last episode, dumb Frey #01 said that the Brotherhood was attacking Frey supply caravans and rallying the common folk to rebel against the Freys. But in this episode they kill a whole bunch of people just because.
So, either there are people pretending to be members of the BwB to steal from people, the BwB is divided and one branch is going after the Freys and the other just goes around killing people, or is a Frey plot to make the BwB unpopular among peasants.
And one of the outlaws had tower brooches in his clothing. Could be another house other than the Freys, should be, because no Frey would ever be a part of the BwB. TBH, they looked quite clean and elegant for a bunch of outlaws.
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Plot armor! 
