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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:37:24 GMT
The majority of the horse stunts in the ep. were done for real. There was some crowd replication as there's always been but other than arrows and a few other elements, the battle was more for-real than Hardhome by miles. And Sapochnik purposefully eschewed too many overhead shots to make the viewer feel more in the experience and on the ground in the fight itself. Not only was this the best episode of the show and one of the best in TV but one of the best, most riveting action sequences I've seen hands down.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:38:20 GMT
Davey, the only thing I don't understand is how could you rate this episode so low after being so tolerant to episode 8, which had far bigger problems? The Arya vs. Waif chase scene looked far more "video gamey" to me. The Arya vs. Waif chase didn't remind me of a video game, it was more reminiscent of the Terminator, or a classic slasher like Halloween where the killer silently stalks his victim. I think we place too much emphasis on the ratings numbers, Roger Ebert hated that his publisher required him to assign a star rating to movies. Watching a film, or show, doesn't work like that. It's all about how you feel while watching it. Every time I watch a movie I might get something different out of it, and like it a little more or less. Episode 8 might have had issues, but I thoroughly enjoyed myself while watching it, and probably wouldn't pick up on major issues until I watch it a few more times. The good outweighs the bad and I find myself writing a glowing review. The battle was the most important part of this episode and almost immediately I was confused as to what was happening. Since I didn't enjoy the 25 minute battle sequence, I'm more critical of the episode as a whole. I didn't know what to rate it, but 6 seemed reasonable to show that I enjoyed it, but was disappointed by major elements of it. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:40:44 GMT
While there are a lot of cuts, there's actually no shaky cam in that scene. Editing my video really made me appreciate the choreography in that scene, even if it wasn't the more slow-paced prodding from the book. Anyway, they're completely different scenarios, you only have to follow two characters in the trial by combat, and it's a much more intimate type of action scene. It's no surprise that the trials-by-combat are my favorite scenes in ASOIAF. I know you're just joking around, but dammit, I'm 30 years old, not a petty child.  It seems I'm doing fairly well with my attempts of triggering you    |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 22, 2016 5:42:39 GMT
*Glare at the poll* Who vote it a 6!  Guys come on. Let people vote what they want I'm joking.  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:42:41 GMT
Btw, your complaints are very similar to my best friend's, who hated SNOWBOWL too  I guess this would be a bad time to ask if I can crash on your couch in Brazil for a couple of weeks.. |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 5:44:21 GMT
The majority of the horse stunts in the ep. were done for real. There was some crowd replication as there's always been but other than arrows and a few other elements, the battle was more for-real than Hardhome by miles. And Sapochnik purposefully eschewed too many overhead shots to make the viewer feel more in the experience and on the ground in the fight itself. Not only was this the best episode of the show and one of the best in TV but one of the best, most riveting action sequences I've seen hands down. The only shot that looked weird to me was when the horses clashed for the first time with Jon in the middle. Kit's body looked really weird there, but other than that the CGI was on point and the shots were perfect. Davey, the only thing I don't understand is how could you rate this episode so low after being so tolerant to episode 8, which had far bigger problems? The Arya vs. Waif chase scene looked far more "video gamey" to me. The Arya vs. Waif chase didn't remind me of a video game, it was more reminiscent of the Terminator, or a classic slasher like Halloween where the killer silently stalks his victim. I think we place too much emphasis on the ratings numbers, Roger Ebert hated that his publisher required him to assign a star rating to movies. Watching a film, or show, doesn't work like that. It's all about how you feel while watching it. Every time I watch a movie I might get something different out of it, and like it a little more or less. Episode 8 might have had issues, but I thoroughly enjoyed myself while watching it, and probably wouldn't pick up on major issues until I watch it a few more times. The good outweighs the bad and I find myself writing a glowing review. The battle was the most important part of this episode and almost immediately I was confused as to what was happening. Since I didn't enjoy the 25 minute battle sequence, I'm more critical of the episode as a whole. I didn't know what to rate it, but 6 seemed reasonable to show that I enjoyed it, but was disappointed by major elements of it. Fair enough, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, or else we can go back and forth on this matter until S7 is out and still fail to convince each other |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 5:50:36 GMT
Btw, your complaints are very similar to my best friend's, who hated SNOWBOWL too I guess this would be a bad time to ask if I can crash on your couch in Brazil for a couple of weeks.. Well, it's winter here now and it's been pretty chilly in my town, might even snow next week in some other towns nearby. You'll get better weather in Seattle, most likely. Not many thongs around in plain sight, by neither definition. Not the most "touristy" part of Brazil for outsiders, unless you have a specific interest in my couch |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:51:47 GMT
The majority of the horse stunts in the ep. were done for real. There was some crowd replication as there's always been but other than arrows and a few other elements, the battle was more for-real than Hardhome by miles. And Sapochnik purposefully eschewed too many overhead shots to make the viewer feel more in the experience and on the ground in the fight itself. Not only was this the best episode of the show and one of the best in TV but one of the best, most riveting action sequences I've seen hands down. I hated the framing of the over-the-shoulder shot of Jon, and some of the weird filters they used, but I suspect my issues might stem more from the editing rather than the direction, considering how much I loved Hardhome. And scenes like Hardhome and even the Siege of Meereen require CGI and more cartoonish elements because of the presence of dragons and ice demons. I was hoping for a much more grounded, gritty battle here. Chaotic is fine, but if I have absolutely no idea what's happening, I'm not feeling suspenseful or enjoying myself. Some major editing issues in this battle. Why is Wun Wun in the middle of soldiers in one shot, and right behind Jon in the next? Why is there such a huge pile of bodies, people in a battle don't sacrifice good footing and fight on top of corpses so they can make a dramatic looking pile like that. I really love this show, but last night was the first time in six years I've been genuinely disappointed in an episode. I'll rewatch the episode a third time before the finale, and I hope I enjoy it more. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:56:26 GMT
The majority of the horse stunts in the ep. were done for real. There was some crowd replication as there's always been but other than arrows and a few other elements, the battle was more for-real than Hardhome by miles. And Sapochnik purposefully eschewed too many overhead shots to make the viewer feel more in the experience and on the ground in the fight itself. Not only was this the best episode of the show and one of the best in TV but one of the best, most riveting action sequences I've seen hands down. The only shot that looked weird to me was when the horses clashed for the first time with Jon in the middle. Kit's body looked really weird there, but other than that the CGI was on point and the shots were perfect. The Arya vs. Waif chase didn't remind me of a video game, it was more reminiscent of the Terminator, or a classic slasher like Halloween where the killer silently stalks his victim. I think we place too much emphasis on the ratings numbers, Roger Ebert hated that his publisher required him to assign a star rating to movies. Watching a film, or show, doesn't work like that. It's all about how you feel while watching it. Every time I watch a movie I might get something different out of it, and like it a little more or less. Episode 8 might have had issues, but I thoroughly enjoyed myself while watching it, and probably wouldn't pick up on major issues until I watch it a few more times. The good outweighs the bad and I find myself writing a glowing review. The battle was the most important part of this episode and almost immediately I was confused as to what was happening. Since I didn't enjoy the 25 minute battle sequence, I'm more critical of the episode as a whole. I didn't know what to rate it, but 6 seemed reasonable to show that I enjoyed it, but was disappointed by major elements of it. Fair enough, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, or else we can go back and forth on this matter until S7 is out and still fail to convince each other I enjoy discussing the show with fellow fans, and talking about it helps me suss out my feelings on why I might like or dislike a scene. You guys might change my mind by explaining things I might have missed, trust me, I want to like the episode. |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 6:01:34 GMT
The only shot that looked weird to me was when the horses clashed for the first time with Jon in the middle. Kit's body looked really weird there, but other than that the CGI was on point and the shots were perfect. Fair enough, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, or else we can go back and forth on this matter until S7 is out and still fail to convince each other I enjoy discussing the show with fellow fans, and talking about it helps me suss out my feelings on why I might like or dislike a scene. You guys might change my mind by explaining things I might have missed, trust me, I want to like the episode. I know, but those are fair points that I can't really dispute with objective arguments, all I can say is that I liked it for some subjective reasons. But it's mostly because it's 3 am now and I really need to go to bed |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 6:07:32 GMT
I enjoy discussing the show with fellow fans, and talking about it helps me suss out my feelings on why I might like or dislike a scene. You guys might change my mind by explaining things I might have missed, trust me, I want to like the episode. I know, but those are fair points that I can't really dispute with objective arguments, all I can say is that I liked it for some subjective reasons. But it's mostly because it's 3 am now and I really need to go to bed  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 6:40:37 GMT
Just calculated and the average rating of this episode was a 10.0 since SNOWBOWL HYPE counted as 11. So yeah highest rated episode of the season with Hold the Door in second. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 6:42:57 GMT
The majority of the horse stunts in the ep. were done for real. There was some crowd replication as there's always been but other than arrows and a few other elements, the battle was more for-real than Hardhome by miles. And Sapochnik purposefully eschewed too many overhead shots to make the viewer feel more in the experience and on the ground in the fight itself. Not only was this the best episode of the show and one of the best in TV but one of the best, most riveting action sequences I've seen hands down. Agreed. I felt right in the middle of the chaos that a battle would be. Also, Viper vs Mountain was garbage. Easily one of the worst/most dissapointing scenes of the series for me. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2016 6:56:13 GMT
You're just jealous that my bowl actually happened but yours didn't, just admit it! Don't worry, if cleganebowl ever happens, and that's a big fucking if, I'm gonna rate it 3 to get my vengeance  Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about whose hype came first. Especially that you would both lose   Fair points, even though I strongly disagree about the video gamey complaint, as that was my favorite action sequence of the whole show, and most of that was actually done with real footage and not pure CGI. Still, there's a lot I would've done differently too, not just in the battle but in the whole Jon/Sansa arc as well, but it lived up to my HYPE well enough in the end. I fully went into the episode expecting to be blown away, and was thoroughly enjoying the episode up until the battle. Maybe my expectations were unrealistic, considering how amazing Hardhome was. As a cinephile, I hate the recent trend of movies emulating video games, and vice versa. I couldn't even finish Metal Gear Solid 4 because it was nothing but cut scenes. A cinematic game will never be as good as a great movie, and a video gamesque movie with tons of CGI and POV shots can never match the immersion and interactivity you get from controlling a character in a great game. One of the things I love about Game of Thrones as a series is how it appeals to classicly filmed epics from the golden age of Hollywood. When you watch the battle scene in Gladiator, it's not as exciting as the battles from Braveheart or Spartacus because it isn't real people swinging swords at each other. Blackwater was full of mind-blowing moments. When a soldier gets split in two, it's not CGI, it's a dummy filled with fake guts. Last night was the first time that GoT adopted the more trendy aspects of action movies, and I think I even saw digital blood, which is blasphemy! I am. I thought that Simpson gif was just you anticipating another rating "debate" and backing out The majority of the horse stunts in the ep. were done for real. There was some crowd replication as there's always been but other than arrows and a few other elements, the battle was more for-real than Hardhome by miles. And Sapochnik purposefully eschewed too many overhead shots to make the viewer feel more in the experience and on the ground in the fight itself. Not only was this the best episode of the show and one of the best in TV but one of the best, most riveting action sequences I've seen hands down. How did they do the thing where Jon's horse is hit with the arrow and Jon falls from it? Guys come on. Let people vote what they want I'm joking. I know but it needed to be said in light of some stuff that happened here on Monday  Btw, your complaints are very similar to my best friend's, who hated SNOWBOWL too I guess this would be a bad time to ask if I can crash on your couch in Brazil for a couple of weeks.. Don't fall for it. He means you harm  I know, but those are fair points that I can't really dispute with objective arguments, all I can say is that I liked it for some subjective reasons. But it's mostly because it's 3 am now and I really need to go to bed HYPISTSBOWL    |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 7:07:57 GMT
Nobody was more surprised by my reaction than myself. I fully went into the episode expecting to be blown away, and was thoroughly enjoying the episode up until the battle. Maybe my expectations were unrealistic, considering how amazing Hardhome was. As a cinephile, I hate the recent trend of movies emulating video games, and vice versa. I couldn't even finish Metal Gear Solid 4 because it was nothing but cut scenes. A cinematic game will never be as good as a great movie, and a video gamesque movie with tons of CGI and POV shots can never match the immersion and interactivity you get from controlling a character in a great game. One of the things I love about Game of Thrones as a series is how it appeals to classicly filmed epics from the golden age of Hollywood. When you watch the battle scene in Gladiator, it's not as exciting as the battles from Braveheart or Spartacus because it isn't real people swinging swords at each other. Blackwater was full of mind-blowing moments. When a soldier gets split in two, it's not CGI, it's a dummy filled with fake guts. Last night was the first time that GoT adopted the more trendy aspects of action movies, and I think I even saw digital blood, which is blasphemy! I am. I thought that Simpson gif was just you anticipating another rating "debate" and backing out I know, every week I'm like 'wow, that was the best episode of the season 10/10 would watch again omg! But last night I was like  Technically I am a bastard. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2016 7:13:38 GMT
I am. I thought that Simpson gif was just you anticipating another rating "debate" and backing out I know, every week I'm like 'wow, that was the best episode of the season 10/10 would watch again omg! But last night I was like I thought that was the grittiest battle yet too so your dislikes surprised me even more  Hopefully you'll enjoy whatever happens in finale more |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 7:20:04 GMT
I know, every week I'm like 'wow, that was the best episode of the season 10/10 would watch again omg! But last night I was like I thought that was the grittiest battle yet too so your dislikes surprised me even more Hopefully you'll enjoy whatever happens in finale more I wanted to like it because I knew I'd have to eat shit here if I didn't.. and well, here we are. I think I'll enjoy the finale, King's Landing is my favorite story line this year, and I have a feeling it's going to be awesome next week! |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 8:01:26 GMT
Just calculated and the average rating of this episode was a 10.0 since SNOWBOWL HYPE counted as 11. So yeah highest rated episode of the season with Hold the Door in second. You can't really compare it to the other polls if the scale is different. The fact that people can vote to 11 on this one gives it a huge advantage. Not that this still wouldn't be the most popular episode. My opinion obviously makes me a minority... which makes some of you racist!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 8:06:38 GMT
Just calculated and the average rating of this episode was a 10.0 since SNOWBOWL HYPE counted as 11. So yeah highest rated episode of the season with Hold the Door in second. You can't really compare it to the other polls if the scale is different. The fact that people can vote to 11 on this one gives it a huge advantage. Not that this still wouldn't be the most popular episode. My opinion obviously makes me a minority... which makes some of you racist! If I count the people that voted an 11 as 10's, the rating is still the highest of the season. But you're not the only minority in general, I am too.  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 8:07:53 GMT
Anti-Semite cat experiences instant karma. |
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Hopefully you'll enjoy whatever happens in finale more