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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2016 4:36:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 4:38:06 GMT
What? But I saw your opinion on the episode and understood your points. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 4:45:53 GMT
What? But I saw your opinion on the episode and understood your points. It's still a positive rating. I thought everything outside of the battle was excellent, I just didn't enjoy the battle itself, and it was the centerpiece of the episode. The moment with the Bolton soldiers making a wall of shields was awesome, though. And interestingly, it was the most simple part of the battle, all they needed to film that were extras and props. That was the only real moment of the battle that had dramatic weight to me. I'm glad everybody else enjoyed it, though. *Glare at the poll* Who vote it a 6! Guys come on. Let people vote what they want I'm surprised it took as long as it did for somebody to bring it up. |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 4:58:39 GMT
What? But I saw your opinion on the episode and understood your points. It's still a positive rating. I thought everything outside of the battle was excellent, I just didn't enjoy the battle itself, and it was the centerpiece of the episode. The moment with the Bolton soldiers making a wall of shields was awesome, though. And interestingly, it was the most simple part of the battle, all they needed to film that were extras and props. That was the only real moment of the battle that had dramatic weight to me. I'm glad everybody else enjoyed it, though. Guys come on. Let people vote what they want I'm surprised it took as long as it did for somebody to bring it up. You're just jealous that my bowl actually happened but yours didn't, just admit it! Don't worry, if cleganebowl ever happens, and that's a big fucking if, I'm gonna rate it 3 to get my vengeance  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:04:08 GMT
It's still a positive rating. I thought everything outside of the battle was excellent, I just didn't enjoy the battle itself, and it was the centerpiece of the episode. The moment with the Bolton soldiers making a wall of shields was awesome, though. And interestingly, it was the most simple part of the battle, all they needed to film that were extras and props. That was the only real moment of the battle that had dramatic weight to me. I'm glad everybody else enjoyed it, though. I'm surprised it took as long as it did for somebody to bring it up. You're just jealous that my bowl actually happened but yours didn't, just admit it! Don't worry, if cleganebowl ever happens, and that's a big fucking if, I'm gonna rate it 3 to get my vengeance Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about whose hype came first. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:04:51 GMT
I guess a way to look at it was that the long sequence of Jon on the battlefield felt quite chaotic, almost like in a video game which Davey described before, but I think that's what they were going for to showcase how turbulent the situation was. Jon has AAR plot armor now so all this madness and brutality happening around him I think made sense. It might have been a lot of CGI, but even in Hardhome when the wights are breaking through and stabbing the widllings to death, it was just as crazy with the editing, you could not tell what was happening at some points.
Edit: Also didn't this happen during Oberyn vs. The Mountain fight where the camera shots were constantly changing and there was a shaky cam.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 5:12:01 GMT
You're just jealous that my bowl actually happened but yours didn't, just admit it! Don't worry, if cleganebowl ever happens, and that's a big fucking if, I'm gonna rate it 3 to get my vengeance Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about whose hype came first. Jealous! UTHT knows no bowl but the bowl of the North, whose name is SNOWBOWL! The usurper, Godbowl. The usurper, Queenbowl. The usurper, Cleganebowl.  |
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Post by TheKittenGuard on Jun 22, 2016 5:15:59 GMT
What? But I saw your opinion on the episode and understood your points. It's still a positive rating. I thought everything outside of the battle was excellent, I just didn't enjoy the battle itself, and it was the centerpiece of the episode. The moment with the Bolton soldiers making a wall of shields was awesome, though. And interestingly, it was the most simple part of the battle, all they needed to film that were extras and props. That was the only real moment of the battle that had dramatic weight to me. I'm glad everybody else enjoyed it, though. Guys come on. Let people vote what they want I'm surprised it took as long as it did for somebody to bring it up. The last thing I want to see is bickering over ratings. Still, would of been awesome to see the rating be 10+ but can not get everything, as this season is showing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:16:13 GMT
It's still a positive rating. I thought everything outside of the battle was excellent, I just didn't enjoy the battle itself, and it was the centerpiece of the episode. The moment with the Bolton soldiers making a wall of shields was awesome, though. And interestingly, it was the most simple part of the battle, all they needed to film that were extras and props. That was the only real moment of the battle that had dramatic weight to me. I'm glad everybody else enjoyed it, though. I'm surprised it took as long as it did for somebody to bring it up. You're just jealous that my bowl actually happened but yours didn't, just admit it! Don't worry, if cleganebowl ever happens, and that's a big fucking if, I'm gonna rate it 3 to get my vengeance I think Cleganebowl is pretty inevitable at this point considering that Sandor is back now. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:16:43 GMT
I guess a way to look at it was that the long sequence of Jon on the battlefield felt quite chaotic, almost like in a video game which Davey described before, but I think that's what they were going for to showcase how turbulent the situation was. Jon has AAR plot armor now so all this madness and brutality happening around him I think made sense. It might have been a lot of CGI, but even in Hardhome when the wights are breaking through and stabbing the widllings to death, it was just as crazy with the editing, you could not tell what was happening at some points. I can do chaotic, you're right that Hardhome was chaotic, but in a good way. You still understood where the characters were in relation to each other, which is something I had trouble with last night. Blackwater and The Watchers on the Wall were both telling mini-stories with their battles. There was a clear beginning, middle, and end. The battle flows well, and even with cheaper budgets, you understood what the characters were doing and why. This was more of an assault on the senses, everything felt much more calculated than a battle naturally unfolding, part of the problem is the obviousness of Littlefinger's impending save-the-day moment. And yeah, I hated the over-the-shoulder video game shot, it felt so out of place in this show, which normally has beautiful cinematography. The cartoonish nature of the battle took any suspense out of it for me, which is funny, because I was on the edge of my seat for Blackwater and WoTW, despite knowing exactly how those battles would end. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:21:19 GMT
I guess a way to look at it was that the long sequence of Jon on the battlefield felt quite chaotic, almost like in a video game which Davey described before, but I think that's what they were going for to showcase how turbulent the situation was. Jon has AAR plot armor now so all this madness and brutality happening around him I think made sense. It might have been a lot of CGI, but even in Hardhome when the wights are breaking through and stabbing the widllings to death, it was just as crazy with the editing, you could not tell what was happening at some points. I can do chaotic, you're right that Hardhome was chaotic, but in a good way. You still understood where the characters were in relation to each other, which is something I had trouble with last night. Blackwater and The Watchers on the Wall were both telling mini-stories with their battles. There was a clear beginning, middle, and end. The battle flows well, and even with cheaper budgets, you understood what the characters were doing and why. This was more of an assault on the senses, everything felt much more calculated than a battle naturally unfolding, part of the problem is the obviousness of Littlefinger's impending save-the-day moment. And yeah, I hated the over-the-shoulder video game shot, it felt so out of place in this show, which normally has beautiful cinematography. The cartoonish nature of the battle took any suspense out of it for me, which is funny, because I was on the edge of my seat for Blackwater and WoTW, despite knowing exactly how those battles would end. I do wonder now how Snowbowl would play out if Marshall directed it. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:22:53 GMT
Edit: Also didn't this happen during Oberyn vs. The Mountain fight where the camera shots were constantly changing and there was a shaky cam. While there are a lot of cuts, there's actually no shaky cam in that scene. Editing my video really made me appreciate the choreography in that scene, even if it wasn't the more slow-paced prodding from the book. Anyway, they're completely different scenarios, you only have to follow two characters in the trial by combat, and it's a much more intimate type of action scene. It's no surprise that the trials-by-combat are my favorite scenes in ASOIAF. Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about whose hype came first. Jealous! UTHT knows no bowl but the bowl of the North, whose name is SNOWBOWL! The usurper, Godbowl. The usurper, Queenbowl. The usurper, Cleganebowl. I know you're just joking around, but dammit, I'm 30 years old, not a petty child. |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 5:23:28 GMT
I guess a way to look at it was that the long sequence of Jon on the battlefield felt quite chaotic, almost like in a video game which Davey described before, but I think that's what they were going for to showcase how turbulent the situation was. Jon has AAR plot armor now so all this madness and brutality happening around him I think made sense. It might have been a lot of CGI, but even in Hardhome when the wights are breaking through and stabbing the widllings to death, it was just as crazy with the editing, you could not tell what was happening at some points. I can do chaotic, you're right that Hardhome was chaotic, but in a good way. You still understood where the characters were in relation to each other, which is something I had trouble with last night. Blackwater and The Watchers on the Wall were both telling mini-stories with their battles. There was a clear beginning, middle, and end. The battle flows well, and even with cheaper budgets, you understood what the characters were doing and why. This was more of an assault on the senses, everything felt much more calculated than a battle naturally unfolding, part of the problem is the obviousness of Littlefinger's impending save-the-day moment. And yeah, I hated the over-the-shoulder video game shot, it felt so out of place in this show, which normally has beautiful cinematography. The cartoonish nature of the battle took any suspense out of it for me, which is funny, because I was on the edge of my seat for Blackwater and WoTW, despite knowing exactly how those battles would end. Fair points, even though I strongly disagree about the video gamey complaint, as that was my favorite action sequence of the whole show, and most of that was actually done with real footage and not pure CGI. Still, there's a lot I would've done differently too, not just in the battle but in the whole Jon/Sansa arc as well, but it lived up to my HYPE well enough in the end. |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 5:25:14 GMT
Edit: Also didn't this happen during Oberyn vs. The Mountain fight where the camera shots were constantly changing and there was a shaky cam. While there are a lot of cuts, there's actually no shaky cam in that scene. Editing my video really made me appreciate the choreography in that scene, even if it wasn't the more slow-paced prodding from the book. Anyway, they're completely different scenarios, you only have to follow two characters in the trial by combat, and it's a much more intimate type of action scene. It's no surprise that the trials-by-combat are my favorite scenes in ASOIAF. Jealous! UTHT knows no bowl but the bowl of the North, whose name is SNOWBOWL! The usurper, Godbowl. The usurper, Queenbowl. The usurper, Cleganebowl. I know you're just joking around, but dammit, I'm 30 years old, not a petty child. It seems I'm doing fairly well with my attempts of triggering you  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:25:58 GMT
While there are a lot of cuts, there's actually no shaky cam in that scene. Editing my video really made me appreciate the choreography in that scene, even if it wasn't the more slow-paced prodding from the book. Anyway, they're completely different scenarios, you only have to follow two characters in the trial by combat, and it's a much more intimate type of action scene. It's no surprise that the trials-by-combat are my favorite scenes in ASOIAF. I know you're just joking around, but dammit, I'm 30 years old, not a petty child. It seems I'm doing fairly well with my attempts of triggering you He deserves it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:26:45 GMT
Edit: Also didn't this happen during Oberyn vs. The Mountain fight where the camera shots were constantly changing and there was a shaky cam. While there are a lot of cuts, there's actually no shaky cam in that scene. Editing my video really made me appreciate the choreography in that scene, even if it wasn't the more slow-paced prodding from the book. Anyway, they're completely different scenarios, you only have to follow two characters in the trial by combat, and it's a much more intimate type of action scene. It's no surprise that the trials-by-combat are my favorite scenes in ASOIAF. Yeah fair point and at least with trials-by-combat it allows the characters to breath a bit more. Not in the literal sense obviously, but to have more freedom moving around the contested space. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:31:36 GMT
I can do chaotic, you're right that Hardhome was chaotic, but in a good way. You still understood where the characters were in relation to each other, which is something I had trouble with last night. Blackwater and The Watchers on the Wall were both telling mini-stories with their battles. There was a clear beginning, middle, and end. The battle flows well, and even with cheaper budgets, you understood what the characters were doing and why. This was more of an assault on the senses, everything felt much more calculated than a battle naturally unfolding, part of the problem is the obviousness of Littlefinger's impending save-the-day moment. And yeah, I hated the over-the-shoulder video game shot, it felt so out of place in this show, which normally has beautiful cinematography. The cartoonish nature of the battle took any suspense out of it for me, which is funny, because I was on the edge of my seat for Blackwater and WoTW, despite knowing exactly how those battles would end. Fair points, even though I strongly disagree about the video gamey complaint, as that was my favorite action sequence of the whole show, and most of that was actually done with real footage and not pure CGI. Still, there's a lot I would've done differently too, not just in the battle but in the whole Jon/Sansa arc as well, but it lived up to my HYPE well enough in the end. Nobody was more surprised by my reaction than myself. I fully went into the episode expecting to be blown away, and was thoroughly enjoying the episode up until the battle. Maybe my expectations were unrealistic, considering how amazing Hardhome was. As a cinephile, I hate the recent trend of movies emulating video games, and vice versa. I couldn't even finish Metal Gear Solid 4 because it was nothing but cut scenes. A cinematic game will never be as good as a great movie, and a video gamesque movie with tons of CGI and POV shots can never match the immersion and interactivity you get from controlling a character in a great game. One of the things I love about Game of Thrones as a series is how it appeals to classicly filmed epics from the golden age of Hollywood. When you watch the battle scene in Gladiator, it's not as exciting as the battles from Braveheart or Spartacus because it isn't real people swinging swords at each other. Blackwater was full of mind-blowing moments. When a soldier gets split in two, it's not CGI, it's a dummy filled with fake guts. Last night was the first time that GoT adopted the more trendy aspects of action movies, and I think I even saw digital blood, which is blasphemy! |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 5:31:40 GMT
Davey, the only thing I don't understand is how could you rate this episode so low after being so tolerant to episode 8, which had far bigger problems? The Arya vs. Waif chase scene looked far more "video gamey" to me.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 22, 2016 5:32:52 GMT
You guys were really hyping the battle, so I'm happy that you all really enjoyed it.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 22, 2016 5:33:26 GMT
Btw, your complaints are very similar to my best friend's, who hated SNOWBOWL too  |
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