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Post by Nezzer on May 23, 2016 4:29:16 GMT
So if the mark on Bran's arm broke the seal on the cave, maybe if he goes back through the Wall, that could cause the Wall to break? And it will all come down. Fuck. Roose said it first  |
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Post by Nezzer on May 23, 2016 4:31:06 GMT
So Bran warged into older Hodor THROUGH young Hodor and that's why he's that way? So could Bran technically warg into anyone from his visions? Why didn't he just leave the vision when Meera asked and warg into Hodor directly? This whole thing is messing me up...I need a nap. This is how I see it: Bran was stuck in his vision in the past and was told to warg Hodor, but there were some weird side effects to that and he simultaneously warged both into young Hodor and present Hodor, making young Hodor experience his own death some thirty years later, scarring him for life. |
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Post by mandzipop on May 23, 2016 4:34:31 GMT
So Bran warged into older Hodor THROUGH young Hodor and that's why he's that way? So could Bran technically warg into anyone from his visions? Why didn't he just leave the vision when Meera asked and warg into Hodor directly? This whole thing is messing me up...I need a nap. This is how I see it: Bran was stuck in his vision in the past and was told to warg Hodor, but there were some weird side effects to that and he simultaneously warged both into young Hodor and present Hodor, making young Hodor experience his own death some thirty years later, scarring him for life. It's kinda like the movie Inception. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 4:35:50 GMT
So Bran warged into older Hodor THROUGH young Hodor and that's why he's that way? So could Bran technically warg into anyone from his visions? Why didn't he just leave the vision when Meera asked and warg into Hodor directly? This whole thing is messing me up...I need a nap. This is how I see it: Bran was stuck in his vision in the past and was told to warg Hodor, but there were some weird side effects to that and he simultaneously warged both into young Hodor and present Hodor, making young Hodor experience his own death some thirty years later, scarring him for life. This is how I think it was intended to be taken as well. A double warging of sorts that enabled young Hodor to see what old Hodor is going through at that moment but very realistically ... so real that he felt the tearing of his own body and this psychologically traumatized him. I think his mind was lost somewhere in the warging process which leaves young Hodor completely wiped of all memories and thoughts other than that one word at death. Also, I think The Three Eyed Raven knew this was going to happen and the only way to save Bran which is why he took Bran into that vision specifically right next to Wylis. He turned and told Bran "Listen to your friend, Brandon" when Meera was screaming at him to warg Hodor. This is pretty mind-blowing but he knew this had to happen and also knew he was going to die. |
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Post by mandzipop on May 23, 2016 4:39:40 GMT
Hodor is probably the biggest hero of the story. Complete innocence but sacrificed everything with possible knowledge for much time before the event of his fate.
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Post by morgantayler on May 23, 2016 4:49:02 GMT
This is pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 5:04:37 GMT
Euron Trump:
"Balon started stupid wars. Bad wars. He lost big. He lost yuge. I'll start good wars, okay? I know wars. That I can tell you. I know wars. My wars are tremendous. The best wars. But first we need ships, alright? For wars you need ships. A fleet. A yuge fleet, okay? I know ships. Good ships. The best ships. I have the best ships. Yuge ships. And you know what they say about people with yuge ships, right? There's no problem there, I assure you. I'll make Daenerys my mail-order trophy wife, okay? I'll make her my Melania. She's tough but very low energy. She'll fall for me. I do great with the women. The women love me. The dragons will also love me. That I can tell you. I do great with dragons. I'm number one with dragons. Dragons are tremendous."
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Post by Hound Dog on May 23, 2016 5:12:01 GMT
Assorted thoughts: Sansa confronting LF and telling him to take a flying leap was immensely satisfying. I've been waiting for that moment for a very long time. And I did enjoy watching LF grovel even though I'm sure he's still plotting and scheming. My heart sank when Sansa lied to Jon. I'm not sure what her motivation was even after hearing D&D's explanation. They made it sound almost like she doesn't trust Jon and I'm not buying that. But I think someone in this thread speculated that Sansa was maybe trying to keep Jon from getting involved with LF in order to protect Jon? Or heck, maybe she's just embarrassed to mention meeting with him after he played her for a fool. The Jon-Sansa cloak scene was such a perfect sibling scene. The way she matter-of-factly shoved the cloak at him and Jon thanked her rather stiffly ... But then after Sansa left Jon had that little ghost of a smile ... He was touched by her gesture. It was sweet. The Dany and Jorah scene was perfection. I didn't expect him to proclaim his love for her, but was nice to see him get it out in the open, even if both he and Dany know nothing will come of it. And thank heavens Daario finally had sense enough to know when to keep his big yap shut. I really wish Arya would get an order to kill the waif. I am so tired of watching her getting her ass kicked. But now I'm really curious as to what Arya will do about the actress. Bran/Whitewalkers/Hodor was the best part of this episode. The reveal of how the Whitewalkers were created was really cool. Or cold. Like, freezing cold.  Regardless,, I was so pumped from that scene. And then my heart got ripped out. It was bad enough that Summer was sacrificed, but Hodor's scene was absolutely heartbreaking.  I've already mentioned that I was disappointed in Euron. Actually, the actor's not bad. I think my issue is mainly with how the character is written. How is he supposed to be a villain if he can be outsmarted so easily? And his grabbing his dick when he spoke of Dany was reminiscent of the not-too-bright Dothraki she easily dispensed with. It's good to see Theon and Yara teamed up, though. Oh! Tormund and Brienne!  I love the hell out of their little scenes! She'll see him again, though, I'm sure of it. Isn't Tormund riding south with Jon? And Sansa is with them and eventually Brienne will have to return to Sansa. * heart flutters* I doubt anything will come of Tormund's flirtation, but still it's fun to watch. |
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Post by freeparking on May 23, 2016 5:26:10 GMT
Two things off of the top of my head. One, Hodor is GOT's version of "sing away." Two, I think the reason Hodor was spooked by the banging of thunder was because it reminded him of the wights banging on the door.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 23, 2016 5:45:16 GMT
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Post by Admin on May 23, 2016 6:04:57 GMT
My feeling with Sansa was that she didn't want help from LF as she knows that he'll want something in return and she knows Jon is highly unlikely to survive LF's political shenanigans. She probably also thought that they'd have the support of all of the northern houses so there was no need for help from the Vale. However, keeping LF alive could be helpful with the knowledge he might help. If Jon knew he'd try and get LF to help, he doesn't know enough about LF. It is going to cost a lot of lives in the long run and she may have to sacrifice something to get his help. I still think he'll want her hand in marriage. Just had another brainwave. Heads off to Leaks. What I don't understand is why would anyone back up Sansa. Last week she was all humble and supporting Jon. I was all excited she was finally becoming likable. I thought she is gonna take the backseat and let him do the talking. This week she goes on how she has a Stark name, keeps things a secret from Jon and lashes out on LF even though he apparently didn't know about Ramsay and marrying him was Sansa's choice Jon, Ned Stark's son convincing the Northeners to fight and them joining - YES. Sansa Stark who married a son of a man who killed her brother and a King asking for help - you've gotta be kidding me. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 23, 2016 6:07:19 GMT
re-watched only the ending so far. caught ser rodrik comforting benjen during wylis's hodor attack.
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Post by freypies on May 23, 2016 6:11:50 GMT
Stephen King's reaction to the episode:
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 6:22:48 GMT
It's interesting that in back-to-back weeks we heard Jon named TPtwP and Dany as Azor Ahai...
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 23, 2016 6:26:53 GMT
From my fave reviewer, heydontjudgeme.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on May 23, 2016 6:40:14 GMT
Love how the episode raises as many questions as it answers. We still don't know what the hell the white walkers are - what is driving them. The children of the forest were using some form of magic to transform the guy but they were not "creating" the white walker, they're not gods. So there's probably something to the Great Other after all.
What it does tell me is that the children betrayed what they stood for. Look how the landscape changes from past to future. And eventually paid the price for it.
But the big mystery behind it all is still not solved.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 6:48:43 GMT
I've been saying this for as long as I can remember, but I'm now 100% sure of it.
Jon will sacrifice himself to replace the Night's King.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 7:48:23 GMT
My feeling with Sansa was that she didn't want help from LF as she knows that he'll want something in return and she knows Jon is highly unlikely to survive LF's political shenanigans. She probably also thought that they'd have the support of all of the northern houses so there was no need for help from the Vale. However, keeping LF alive could be helpful with the knowledge he might help. If Jon knew he'd try and get LF to help, he doesn't know enough about LF. It is going to cost a lot of lives in the long run and she may have to sacrifice something to get his help. I still think he'll want her hand in marriage. Just had another brainwave. Heads off to Leaks. Sansa will not agree to marry Littlefinger in exchange for his help. He owes her for what happened to her at the hands of Ramsay. She has paid whatever price he might ask for already. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 8:12:49 GMT
BTW for what it's worth Summer was in the background during the Bran scene where he sneaks into the weirnet and gets marked. He was sleeping in the background. Which won't sate the anger of the Summer-should've-featured-more grassroots-and-pitchforks movement...but it's something anyways. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 23, 2016 8:46:35 GMT
BTW for what it's worth Summer was in the background during the Bran scene where he sneaks into the weirnet and gets marked. He was sleeping in the background. Which won't sate the anger of the Summer-should've-featured-more grassroots-and-pitchforks movement...but it's something anyways. He also did take one wight down when he first sprang into action, saving Meera. |
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Regardless,, I was so pumped from that scene. And then my heart got ripped out. It was bad enough that Summer was sacrificed, but Hodor's scene was absolutely heartbreaking. 
I love the hell out of their little scenes! She'll see him again, though, I'm sure of it. Isn't Tormund riding south with Jon? And Sansa is with them and eventually Brienne will have to return to Sansa. * heart flutters* I doubt anything will come of Tormund's flirtation, but still it's fun to watch. 
