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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 22:26:26 GMT
"Wylas" is the boy - the one before this happened to him, I use Hodor to refer to what he became after it.  By this artistic impression, it was the younger boy who faced the wights in his full right mind and did so willingly. Wait, so you think Wylas the boy was controlling Hodor's body when he fought the wights? Wylas and Hodor were one and the same at that moment, I thought this was pretty much how everyone thought of it? Hodor either wasn't warged at that moment and he held the door, or Wylas the boy saw what was coming and held the door ... if you take the interpretation of the Beautiful Death poster, it looks like Wylas the boy is the one who had to face what happened. Doesn't that make sense considering it broke his brain? |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 27, 2016 22:59:39 GMT
My thoughts on it were that Hodor heard the words "Hold the Door" and he remembered the moment when he was Wylis when he last heard those words, as if he finally understood the significance of them. And when I was watching it I thought it looked like Wylis could feel himself/Hodor being ripped apart (by Wights). So, in a way, both of them were holding the door. It's like Wylis' entire life Hodor-ing had lead up to that moment and he finally understood. And then he died.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 0:43:59 GMT
My thoughts on it were that Hodor heard the words "Hold the Door" and he remembered the moment when he was Wylis when he last heard those words, as if he finally understood the significance of them. And when I was watching it I thought it looked like Wylis could feel himself/Hodor being ripped apart (by Wights). So, in a way, both of them were holding the door. It's like Wylis' entire life Hodor-ing had lead up to that moment and he finally understood. And then he died. This is similar to my take. I don't think young Wylis chose anything. That is the real tragedy. He was just an innocent bystander and witness to his own death many, many years later. I think the combination of that trauma and the warging that Bran did, through him in the past via vision, screwed up his mind so that all he remembered was what the grown Hodor was thinking in those last moments "Hold the door." Did Grown-up Hodor understand the significance? Sort of. He knew he was protecting Bran and Meera. I'm not sure he remembered what happened to him back all those years ago, but if that memory was triggered while he was holding the door, Hodor would have been experiencing his death via the present moment as well as through his memory, and his memory was experiencing his death in the present, so even more horrific to think about really. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 28, 2016 1:15:47 GMT
If you told me in season one or two that one of the most heartbreaking scenes would involve Hodor, I wouldn't have believed you. He was not on my radar for characters in peril. I didn't get to watch episode five right away, after the internet buzz, it was obvious that somebody died, and that it was very emotional. I assumed it would be Theon, or maybe Tommen. Hodor seemed safe, and the tree seemed like a safe space. That is what made this sequence so damn effective. It violated an environment we thought was okay, it put the viewers on the edge of their seats, made major revelations, and then broke hearts. And smack dab in the middle of the season, I never thought I'd put an episode 5 on my top ten list, but here we are.
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Post by Nezzer on May 28, 2016 4:27:20 GMT
That dude who separates the music from the dialogue did it again for episode 5. I fucking love Euron's theme  |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 2:37:10 GMT
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 29, 2016 18:44:38 GMT
so, did anyone else think the heart tree in the flashback looked vaguely like mvs? def the most human-looking weirwood face. what was up with that?
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 29, 2016 18:55:15 GMT
so, did anyone else think the heart tree in the flashback looked vaguely like mvs? def the most human-looking weirwood face. what was up with that? Glad to see I wasn't the only one who noticed! At first I thought maybe it was a weirwood dedicated to him or something, but it must've just been a coincidence |
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