Rate 6x04

I think this is a good change for her.  I'm pretty neutral to her in the books but I think the show has made the right cuts and the right direction, for the most part in her story line.  While I won't count myself as one of the fans of her final scene in this episode, I really like that this was a plan she came up with herself and Drogon or any other dragon did not save the day.  I think the fact that just in our group we can discuss the pros and cons of Dany and her storyline, shows that the show has definitely created something to talk about with her and that's a good thing.  And I can understand and appreciate being extra defensive when you have been ridiculed for defending a character you like.


@witchy, you might really be on to something that either Daario or Jorah might get killed trying to ride a dragon.  If that happens, my money would be on Daario.  Unless Dany finds herself in some desperate situation and Jorah is desperate enough to help and he does it to try to save her but dies.  I could see Daario doing it out of cockiness or trying to prove something.  I don't think Jorah would do it for reckless reason.  He has a very healthy respect for those dragons.

I can see why Daario bugs you because this is the guy who betrayed his own team to get in with Dany.  Yes, he has seen her power BUT if she casts him aside for whatever reason...and I always think he's a guy who looks for the best offer, she might without meaning to (say turn down a marriage proposal, spend more time with Jorah-welcoming him back into the inner circle, accept marriage proposal from another high house) do something (without meaning to) that causes him to turn against her.  He's a prideful and at times reckless dude...so I kind of think of him as a wild card still.

I would say there is zero evidence of Daario being anything but 100% loyal to Dany on the show. If there are some dangling theories fans have from the books, I guess that's possible but I think it's clear that even if that's case, the show isn't going there. Daario is team Dany through and through.

The show left out the "betrayals" prophecy from Quaithe for a reason.

The sooner you divest yourself of book background and stories about Daario the better you'll enjoy the simplicity of the Daenerys focus on the show. They eliminated a whole ton of weight from the Essos plots. All of the schemers who were around Daenerys in the book are nonexistent on the show and the show is better for it. This is one area I agree with cutting the fat for sure. 

As King Tommen said, the betrayal prophecy was eliminated from the show so we cannot hang on it anymore. Whether Daario is relevant to one of Dany's betrayals or not in the books doesn't matter here. I used to theorize a great deal about them (I think there's a thread I started long ago about them) so don't mistake this response for putting you down. I am merely suggesting we move on from the theories in the book and simply take the show for face value. Daario has given no indication whatsoever he's going to betray Daenerys and he's had plenty of opportunities to do so such as Daznak's. 

It does?

Where in the show has Daario displayed any reason to be untrustworthy other than his initial betrayal of his own mercenary partners to win Daenerys favor?

In all this time, he has remained loyal to her and fought for her and put his life at risk for her. 

Daario is a cocksure asshole, no doubt there - but that does not make him a traitor or potentially bad, does it? He even admitted to Jorah in this very episode that he had absolutely no discipline growing up which is why he's so arrogant and rude to him. 

Daario is the only character in Dany's existence who has not treated her as a goddess or queen. He's her lover and he tries to instigate her 'fire and blood' stuff repeatedly in bed and out. His motives are pretty clear to me. He wants Dany to kill people and use her dragons to rule over the slavers. He encouraged her to burn them. That's his worst offense and his attitude is why most people dislike him. Still, no reason to believe he's a traitor lurking at this point on the show at all. 

We have a new top episode.

6x01 average rating: 7.56 | 41 members voted.
6x02 average rating: 9.05 | 38 members voted.
6x03 average rating: 8.11 | 38 members voted.

6x04 average rating: 9.10 | 41 members voted.

6x04 > 6x02 > 6x03 > 6x01

Time to lock it then!

Edit: Oh never mind, it's already locked. I'm so stoopid

Ok, and yes we will certainly eventually find out.

If you are debating me, you are debating me on the wrong points though, because you are assuming that I am saying that any betrayal is an existing plot Daario is part of, rather than a character flaw. You tend to agree on his weaknesses of character, but say those are not relevant. I think they are, and that misgivings about him are a rational reaction that the show is deliberately provoking. Possibly they are doing so simply because being a bit suspicious of him makes for some dramatic tension, or possibly they are doing so to set up a future event that hinges on Daario's character weaknesses. Regardless, we are supposed to have uncertain feelings on Daario. If we were not, half of the things he has said would not have been included.

While there are a few modest reasons to suspect there may be some plot at work involving Daario in the books, I fully agree that no such hints are present in the show. There is absolutely no need to "debate" me on that. And this omission is necessary, frankly, because the entirety of the Essos political landscape has been either eliminated or vastly simplified. So of course this route would never have worked for the show. The Essosi political landscape involving rival free cities is intimately connected in the books to Aegon's storyline, Dorne's as well, and that of course means it is irrelevant to the show version. However even if Daario is eventually (or presently) involved in some form of betrayal related to the free cities and/or Dorne (connected uneasily to Tyrosh) in the books, in the show version, the EFFECT of the betrayal may be very relevant to the show's story even if the machinations behind it in the books is not....meaning the show would make the betrayal entirely about Daario's character weakness rather than more complex political intrigue.

So demanding proof that Daario is scheming in the show is the wrong question and has nothing to do with my argument. In the show there is plenty of reason to be suspicious of his character, and that, alone, is enough.

Daario is just super shady and also kind of a dick, so I think we have enough reason to question his loyalty to Dany. I don't think he's with the Sons of the Harpy though, but it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up betraying her in some other way.