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Post by Singer of Death on May 31, 2016 20:27:14 GMT
Don't know if this is the right thread for it, but thought it was worth discussing. There seems to be a growing faction that believes that GRRM is distancing himself from D&D and the show. I keep trying to inform the people of the facts (#1 - GRRM is still reviewing outlines, #2 - he still blogs about the show, #3 - GRRM celebrated with D&D at a recent award ceremony, #4 - he hasn't ruled out writing an episode if TWOW is complete, etc). I get that GRRM might be salty about the Hodor, Shireen and the stuff to follow. I personally adore the dude, but he knows this one got away from him. For some reason, I think he's really motivated to finishing TWOW again. I kind of thought the opposite would happen once Season 6 started. But he's not blogging as much these days and he's more up to sharing new chapters (even if they written a long time ago). We all need to hope and dream that he gets TWOW done by April-May 2017. If he does, he'll be writing an episode for Season 7 Part II and hopefully afterwards, he can turn his attention to ADOS. I still think it's about 50-50 shot at best. Show haters have said GRRM and D&D are not getting along for years now. I have no idea if its true or not, my personal opinion is that GRRM doesnt like some of the choices the show made but as a former tv writer knows his books cant be adapted verbatim, and he is upset some things are being spoiled, but he is also an adult and knows he only has himself to blame for that. He had years to finish the books before the show surpassed him. Fucking show haters love to use GRMM as source for why the tv series sucks  It's not true as clearly when someone post on his Not a Blog calling the show "fanfiction", GRMM shut him or her up. And about GRMM released the Aeron chapter a week after the Kingsmoot episode, that was cause the audience chose it, not cause GRMM fucking hated it. They really need legit source if they want GRMM to hate the show for their agenda. And even if he does, that doesn't matter now that GoT is a cultural phenomenon and will be part of the peak of history. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 0:20:06 GMT
You didn't find the Kingsmoot interesting? No, omg that went on forever. I tried to care, but alas, I was out of fucks. Fair enough. Guess it depends if you're into the Ironborn or not.  |
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 1, 2016 0:38:41 GMT
Show haters have said GRRM and D&D are not getting along for years now. I have no idea if its true or not, my personal opinion is that GRRM doesnt like some of the choices the show made but as a former tv writer knows his books cant be adapted verbatim, and he is upset some things are being spoiled, but he is also an adult and knows he only has himself to blame for that. He had years to finish the books before the show surpassed him. Fucking show haters love to use GRMM as source for why the tv series sucks It's not true as clearly when someone post on his Not a Blog calling the show "fanfiction", GRMM shut him or her up. And about GRMM released the Aeron chapter a week after the Kingsmoot episode, that was cause the audience chose it, not cause GRMM fucking hated it. They really need legit source if they want GRMM to hate the show for their agenda. And even if he does, that doesn't matter now that GoT is a cultural phenomenon and will be part of the peak of history. D&D stroke GRRM's ego all the time. "When George told us about this...". I enjoy a faithful adaption like anybody, but certain cuts are frankly, necessary. I don't need to see Tyrion somersault or waste a bunch of time in ADWD (or was it AFFC-I lost track) in his travelogue specials. The point was he gets to fuckin Daenerys eventually damn it. I don't need to see Stannis win maybe the first battle of Winterfell, just get to killed a chapter later. I don't need a false Targeryan in the 5th or 6th chapter when we all assumed he was dead. Streamlining is a good thing and necessary for TV. The ratings speak for itself it if D&D made it work for TV. Book purists are shit faces. And I love the books. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Jun 1, 2016 1:01:01 GMT
Fucking show haters love to use GRMM as source for why the tv series sucks It's not true as clearly when someone post on his Not a Blog calling the show "fanfiction", GRMM shut him or her up. And about GRMM released the Aeron chapter a week after the Kingsmoot episode, that was cause the audience chose it, not cause GRMM fucking hated it. They really need legit source if they want GRMM to hate the show for their agenda. And even if he does, that doesn't matter now that GoT is a cultural phenomenon and will be part of the peak of history. D&D stroke GRRM's ego all the time. "When George told us about this...". I enjoy a faithful adaption like anybody, but certain cuts are frankly, necessary. I don't need to see Tyrion somersault or waste a bunch of time in ADWD (or was it AFFC-I lost track) in his travelogue specials. The point was he gets to fuckin Daenerys eventually damn it. I don't need to see Stannis win maybe the first battle of Winterfell, just get to killed a chapter later. I don't need a false Targeryan in the 5th or 6th chapter when we all assumed he was dead. Streamlining is a good thing and necessary for TV. The ratings speak for itself it if D&D made it work for TV. Book purists are shit faces. And I love the books. Oh, god, yeah, this. Just like their worst adaptation choice so far has been cutting Arianne (or introducing Dorne without Arianne, if they were cutting Arianne they should have cut Dorne completely), the best so far has been cutting fAegon. I praise the Gods for not havig to endure that shitty storyline on screen. |
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 1, 2016 1:14:37 GMT
D&D stroke GRRM's ego all the time. "When George told us about this...". I enjoy a faithful adaption like anybody, but certain cuts are frankly, necessary. I don't need to see Tyrion somersault or waste a bunch of time in ADWD (or was it AFFC-I lost track) in his travelogue specials. The point was he gets to fuckin Daenerys eventually damn it. I don't need to see Stannis win maybe the first battle of Winterfell, just get to killed a chapter later. I don't need a false Targeryan in the 5th or 6th chapter when we all assumed he was dead. Streamlining is a good thing and necessary for TV. The ratings speak for itself it if D&D made it work for TV. Book purists are shit faces. And I love the books. Oh, god, yeah, this. Just like their worst adaptation choice so far has been cutting Arianne (or introducing Dorne without Arianne, if they were cutting Arianne they should have cut Dorne completely), the best so far has been cutting fAegon. I praise the Gods for not havig to endure that shitty storyline on screen. They cut Arianne because they fell in love with Elliaria. It's a mistake I can at least understand. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Jun 1, 2016 1:21:51 GMT
Oh, god, yeah, this. Just like their worst adaptation choice so far has been cutting Arianne (or introducing Dorne without Arianne, if they were cutting Arianne they should have cut Dorne completely), the best so far has been cutting fAegon. I praise the Gods for not havig to endure that shitty storyline on screen. They cut Arianne because they fell in love with Elliaria. It's a mistake I can at least understand. Yeah, but a mistake that ruined Dorne's storyline in the show. I read somewhere that when D&D were writing Season 5 they were planning to cut all the Dorne stuff, but they changed their minds. Too bad. That would have been way better than, you know, the Sand Snakes... On the fAegon thing, I think it was a horrible mistake made by George. Introducing him this late only help to bloat (even more) an already bloated story. Now I just can't see GRRM finishing this story in just two more books, and that probably means we won't see an ending  |
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 1, 2016 1:24:38 GMT
They cut Arianne because they fell in love with Elliaria. It's a mistake I can at least understand. Yeah, but a mistake that ruined Dorne's storyline in the show. I read somewhere that when D&D were writing Season 5 they were planning to cut all the Dorne stuff, but they changed their minds. Too bad. That would have been way better than, you know, the Sand Snakes... On the fAegon thing, I think it was a horrible mistake made by George. Introducing him this late only help to bloat (even more) an already bloated story. Now I just can't see GRRM finishing this story in just two more books, and that probably means we won't see an ending Yes it sound like the Oberyn character was a such a huge success they thought everyone would fall in love with Dorne and the SS. But without Arianne and fAegon, it was a sterile operation at its launch. |
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jun 1, 2016 1:25:49 GMT
I actually enjoyed the Faegon and JonCon story/chapters it was after Jorah kidnapped him that his chapters went to shit in ADWD imo. Penny was awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 1:29:32 GMT
I actually enjoyed the Faegon and JonCon story/chapters it was after Jorah kidnapped him that his chapters went to shit in ADWD imo. Penny was awful.I'm so glad they left her out of the show. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 1, 2016 1:32:05 GMT
Fucking show haters love to use GRMM as source for why the tv series sucks It's not true as clearly when someone post on his Not a Blog calling the show "fanfiction", GRMM shut him or her up. And about GRMM released the Aeron chapter a week after the Kingsmoot episode, that was cause the audience chose it, not cause GRMM fucking hated it. They really need legit source if they want GRMM to hate the show for their agenda. And even if he does, that doesn't matter now that GoT is a cultural phenomenon and will be part of the peak of history. D&D stroke GRRM's ego all the time. "When George told us about this...". I enjoy a faithful adaption like anybody, but certain cuts are frankly, necessary. I don't need to see Tyrion somersault or waste a bunch of time in ADWD (or was it AFFC-I lost track) in his travelogue specials. The point was he gets to fuckin Daenerys eventually damn it. I don't need to see Stannis win maybe the first battle of Winterfell, just get to killed a chapter later. I don't need a false Targeryan in the 5th or 6th chapter when we all assumed he was dead. Streamlining is a good thing and necessary for TV. The ratings speak for itself it if D&D made it work for TV. Book purists are shit faces. And I love the books. Same. Even though i love the book as It's one of my favorite literature and it's better than the show in comparison, I still enjoy the tv show and if you stop comparing the two and focus on the show on its merit, than it's actually more enjoyable. I felt that the show we have is the most faithful adaptation we could get. Yes, it cut most of the materials, but to be fair, the show is catching up with the book and since the show has become enormously popular, it has no choice but to deviate from the source material. It cannot be put hiatus for obvious reasons. Plus, there are some things that the tv show couldn't transit well on-screen from the book. Like in the book, there are too many characters and story lines to cram in as it will cost budget. Also it doesn't help that AFFC and ADWD were the weakest volume of the series due to slow pace and little progression to the plot. Could you imagine if the show follow the exact format? It would be boring as hell! Cersei spending most of her time tattling people and making stupid decisions, Dany the same reason and drooling over Daario's dick, Tyrion's "where do whores go?", Brienne mindlessly wondering around doing pointless mission, etc. Those things on-screen would make the episode panned and received criticism. What makes a great book doesn't mean the same for a tv show. What makes a great book doesn't mean the same for the show. Film critics hate too much exposition and slow pace that has little contribute to the plot and want the plot to get to the point. And that what the tv show we are watching is doing - get to the point. No rushing nor slowing it, but tells it in a way that lets us comprehend the story easily. In conclusion, the show isn't made for angry entitled book purists. It's made for show watchers to enjoy and provide them the grand source material ever put on screen. Show watchers enjoy it and they don't necessarily need to read the book to understand the principles unlike other shows as GoT isn't a type of show to promote the book saying, "Oh do you want to know if Dany win the Iron Throne? Go read the book!" Book purists can go dig their grave deeper in their Rant & Rave thread. Bitch about it, gnash their teeth, for "Dumber & Dumber can't write shit", whatever. They can bitch about in the corner while the show continues to be popular and receive awards while GRMM is still writing Winds of Winter. Those that continue to rant constantly in the thread, especially repeat the same criticism, are losers and have no life. I'm sorry if i offend someone here, but i'm referring to the ones on Westeros.org. They sprout the worst negatively i ever seen in my life. I doubt even anime fandom are miserable as these ones. They wouldn't even make a Rant & Rave tread just cause the show is no longer faithful to the book/comic (in fact, anime adaptation are worse than GoT). It doesn't help that the moderators and Linda are extremely bias. Oh and the double standard is so strong on that forum - they wouldn't allow a Rant & Rave thread for the book, but allow it for the GoT. Westeros.org is like the worst forum in terms of mods and community. No people's opinion were respected, especially if you are a show fan. Say one thing that the show did better than book, be prepare to get your throat shred by book purists. Due to this, i derailed from that forum. The jarring and agony that thing plant. I don't want to make myself negative over a fictional show and if i do want to rant, i will only do it once or twice, then i will move on. That's why i'm so glad to discover this forum. Oh the positively and great moderators this forum have.  Heck, even better than Westeros.org. At least this forum doesn't have a double standard policy. I love all the people here!  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 1, 2016 1:38:02 GMT
They cut Arianne because they fell in love with Elliaria. It's a mistake I can at least understand. Yeah, but a mistake that ruined Dorne's storyline in the show. I read somewhere that when D&D were writing Season 5 they were planning to cut all the Dorne stuff, but they changed their minds. Too bad. That would have been way better than, you know, the Sand Snakes... On the fAegon thing, I think it was a horrible mistake made by George. Introducing him this late only help to bloat (even more) an already bloated story. Now I just can't see GRRM finishing this story in just two more books, and that probably means we won't see an ending Obviously Dorne is one thing that makes the show bad in aspect. But like you said, D&D never intend to adapt the Dorne plot until Bryan Cogman suggested it. It doesn't help that they only have a week to film the Dorne stuff in Spain. As for fAegon, i don't have how much he will be important to the overall plot. I mean i know he's important, but in terms like if you take him out of the story, will it change anything? I'm curious cause D&D omitted him from the show and i wonder how will that affect the plot of the series. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 2:39:51 GMT
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 1, 2016 3:24:51 GMT
My apology.
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2016 4:19:55 GMT
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Post by freypies on Jun 1, 2016 4:38:47 GMT
Jesus, really not looking forward to Winds at the moment, especially with chapters like this Aeron one and the Arianne ones he has released coming up Mercy was good, but that's been the only chapter out of 11 that I have genuinely enjoyed. I don't like Euron that much in the show anyways, but the book Euron version is far too weird for me. GRRM is adding too many crazies into the book for my liking. I myself found it a bit odd that kinslaying was simply ignored by the ironborn in episode 5, but this goes so many steps beyond - he killed two of his brothers and raped another, and has openly admitted to it. Also, I'm really confused by and kind of tried of the symbolic dreams that pretty much every character seems to be having lately. I can see that many like this chapter, but I personally have really become more and more disenchanted by the book's version of a story I initially loved so much ever since that final LS chapter in ASOS. I feel that the new characters added since AFFC onwards as POV have not been nearly as compelling as characters that came before (for instance, I grew to deeply care for Maester Cressen just from that one chapter in ACOK, and he feels much more realized that Damphair or Hotah who've had many more pages), so I have next to no investment in the Martell and Greyjoy stories. Victarion especially reads like a cartoon :/ Oh well, I still enjoy the North quite a lot, so I'm hoping GRRM can make the rest of the storylines that interesting in the chapters he has yet to share! |
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 1, 2016 5:45:58 GMT
Jesus, really not looking forward to Winds at the moment, especially with chapters like this Aeron one and the Arianne ones he has released coming up Mercy was good, but that's been the only chapter out of 11 that I have genuinely enjoyed. I don't like Euron that much in the show anyways, but the book Euron version is far too weird for me. GRRM is adding too many crazies into the book for my liking. I myself found it a bit odd that kinslaying was simply ignored by the ironborn in episode 5, but this goes so many steps beyond - he killed two of his brothers and raped another, and has openly admitted to it. Also, I'm really confused by and kind of tried of the symbolic dreams that pretty much every character seems to be having lately. I can see that many like this chapter, but I personally have really become more and more disenchanted by the book's version of a story I initially loved so much ever since that final LS chapter in ASOS. I feel that the new characters added since AFFC onwards as POV have not been nearly as compelling as characters that came before (for instance, I grew to deeply care for Maester Cressen just from that one chapter in ACOK, and he feels much more realized that Damphair or Hotah who've had many more pages), so I have next to no investment in the Martell and Greyjoy stories. Victarion especially reads like a cartoon :/ Oh well, I still enjoy the North quite a lot, so I'm hoping GRRM can make the rest of the storylines that interesting in the chapters he has yet to share! Yeah I'm still pretty excited about TWOW, especially with the split seasons ahead. We need more material! |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 1, 2016 5:54:37 GMT
Rereading the chapter and despite that Euron is my favorite villain, am i the only one who's thinking Euron is a lot like Show!Ramsay in terms of villain sue. I mean for goodness lord, Euron is getting some upgrade every time he appears. So he killed his brother, own the dragonbinder, and use magic. And now it revealed he killed 2 of his half-brothers, raped Aeron and Urrigon, torture priests, cuts off a woman's tongue and leave her to her death, and now he own a Valryian armor steel? Apparently too much just for one chapter... I don't like Euron that much in the show anyways, but the book Euron version is far too weird for me. GRRM is adding too many crazies into the book for my liking. I myself found it a bit odd that kinslaying was simply ignored by the ironborn in episode 5, but this goes so many steps beyond - he killed two of his brothers and raped another, and has openly admitted to it. Also, I'm really confused by and kind of tried of the symbolic dreams that pretty much every character seems to be having lately. To be fair, Euron admits it only to Aeron. If he does that openly to the public, obviously it would lead to a stir and some treasons. |
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Post by freypies on Jun 1, 2016 6:12:41 GMT
Yeah I'm still pretty excited about TWOW, especially with the split seasons ahead. We need more material! Yeah, I'm sure closer to time I'll become much more excited. I'm just wary because it's been 11 years since I read material from GRRM that I was extremely pleased with. Hope he gets things back on track with this book! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 6:32:24 GMT
Yeah I'm still pretty excited about TWOW, especially with the split seasons ahead. We need more material! Yeah, I'm sure closer to time I'll become much more excited. I'm just wary because it's been 11 years since I read material from GRRM that I was extremely pleased with. Hope he gets things back on track with this book! You didn't like anything about ADwD?  Reek/Theon? Davos/White Harbor? Bran? Dany's last couple chapters? Nothing? |
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Post by freypies on Jun 1, 2016 6:51:17 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure closer to time I'll become much more excited. I'm just wary because it's been 11 years since I read material from GRRM that I was extremely pleased with. Hope he gets things back on track with this book! You didn't like anything about ADwD? Reek/Theon? Davos/White Harbor? Bran? Dany's last couple chapters? Nothing? There were individual lines and moments that I thought were great, but they were drowned in a sea of frustration for me. I liked Manderly's speech (+ Frey pies ), Daznakh, Bran's one chapter when he is almost omniscient, a few chapters in Theon's arc, but those were all brief moments in a myriad of unfamiliar, dull characters accomplishing little and old favourites becoming uninteresting (most notably Tyrion) or even regressing in some ways (Dany). It feels like a completely different series to me going from pre-epilogue ASOS to ADWD, and one that I like a lot less. One of the reasons I'm so pleased with Seasons 5 and 6 is because they haven't strayed from the characters that made the series engaging in the first place while still deftly (aside from Dorne) adding new ones when needed, and keeping the momentum going. I had expected GoT to completely lose me after season 4, but instead I've been pleasantly surprised |
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It's not true as clearly when someone post on his Not a Blog calling the show "fanfiction", GRMM shut him or her up.
Heck, even better than Westeros.org. At least this forum doesn't have a double standard policy. I love all the people here! 
But we try not to even mention the parts of fanbase we don't like, no point in dwelling in that, let's just enjoy this place 
