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Post by Nezzer on May 6, 2016 1:44:33 GMT
Though tbh it's as likely Olenna's sleeve as it is Tommen's. Could be this outfit. I think the pants in the Kevan photo look darker closer to the color of Tommen's, but maybe Kevan decides to bring Olenna to the small council anyway. Maybe Mace the Ace is back.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 1:45:35 GMT
I think the pants in the Kevan photo look darker closer to the color of Tommen's, but maybe Kevan decides to bring Olenna to the small council anyway. Maybe Mace the Ace is back.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 1:46:55 GMT
Maybe Mace the Ace is back. At the moment I'm more inclined to think Mace the Ace comes back in 604. But it'd be great to see His Brilliance once again. The sooner the better.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 1:49:51 GMT
At the moment I'm more inclined to think Mace the Ace comes back in 604. But it'd be great to see His Brilliance once again. The sooner the better. Yeah true. I think that's when Olenna will reprimand Mace for the the imprisonment of Margaery and Loras. Book of the Stranger sounds KL centric as well so we'll probably also see Margaery negotiating with the High Sparrow. We'll probably just get the scene of Margaery hugging Loras in 603.
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Post by boojam on May 6, 2016 9:48:19 GMT
At the moment I'm more inclined to think Mace the Ace comes back in 604. But it'd be great to see His Brilliance once again. The sooner the better. I wonder if his mission to the Iron Bank will be mentioned?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 9:59:47 GMT
At the moment I'm more inclined to think Mace the Ace comes back in 604. But it'd be great to see His Brilliance once again. The sooner the better. I wonder if his mission to the Iron Bank will be mentioned? Of course it will.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 11:26:29 GMT
From ASOIAF reddit.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 11:32:32 GMT
From ASOIAF reddit. This photo made me laugh harder than it should have for some reason. This is hilarious. Ned trekking across the land with "baby" Jon. Another gold opportunity would be using photos from The Hangover:
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Post by freeparking on May 6, 2016 12:16:12 GMT
Okay so I've seen a theory popping up recently online, and I've got to say, I think it is true.
It looks like R+L=J will be revealed in next episode. We've all been thinking that Lyanna asked Ned to protect Jon and bring him up as his own, but what if she didn't? What if she told Ned to put him on the throne? Maybe she bought into Rhaegar's prophecy stuff on top of falling for him? She could be all "Rayray said the baby will be king and save the world" and Ned promised he would do that. He obviously doesn't though. Why? Not only would it be suicidal, but it also keeps with Ned not wanting to see dead kids. Lyanna's request would basically doom the baby to an early death.
It gets better though. I have A Game of Thrones here on my desk and just checked the chapter where Robert was on his death bed. Ding ding! Ned thinks of Lyanna's "promise me" during it, because, of course, Ned is listening to people on their death beds. When Ned doesn't tell Robert about his kids he thinks "the lies we tell for love" and "may the gods forgive me." We think this means the lies he told to Cat, Robert, and everybody about Jon being his. The parallel is more direct than that. In both cases he is lying to the person about what he is going to do.
The oathbreaker won't just be Jon, it will be Ned too! What is even better is that Jon will probably think that abandoning the Night's Watch and fighting to unite the North against the White Walkers would be something Ned wouldn't do because Ned would likely view that as breaking your oath, but in reality it makes Jon more like Ned than he could ever imagine.
And we the viewers learn that while Rhaegar may be Jon's father, Jon will always be Ned's son.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 12:19:00 GMT
Okay so I've seen a theory popping up recently online, and I've got to say, I think it is true. It looks like R+L=J will be revealed in next episode. We've all been thinking that Lyanna asked Ned to protect Jon and bring him up as his own, but what if she didn't? What if she told Ned to put him on the throne? Maybe she bought into Rhaegar's prophecy stuff on top of falling for him? She could be all "Rayray said the baby will be king and save the world" and Ned promised he would do that. He obviously doesn't though. Why? Not only would it be suicidal, but it also keeps with Ned not wanting to see dead kids. Lyanna's request would basically doom the baby to an early death. It gets better though. I have A Game of Thrones here on my desk and just checked the chapter where Robert was on his death bed. Ding ding! Ned thinks of Lyanna's "promise me" during it, because, of course, Ned is listening to people on their death beds. When Ned doesn't tell Robert about his kids he thinks "the lies we tell for love" and "may the gods forgive me." We think this means the lies he told to Cat, Robert, and everybody about Jon being his. The parallel is more direct than that. In both cases he is lying to the person about what he is going to do. The oathbreaker won't just be Jon, it will be Ned too! What is even better is that Jon will probably think that abandoning the Night's Watch and fighting to unite the North against the White Walkers would be something Ned wouldn't do because Ned would likely view that as breaking your oath, but in reality it makes Jon more like Ned than he could ever imagine. And we the viewers learn that while Rhaegar may be Jon's father, Jon will always be Ned's son.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:03:46 GMT
Okay so I've seen a theory popping up recently online, and I've got to say, I think it is true. It looks like R+L=J will be revealed in next episode. We've all been thinking that Lyanna asked Ned to protect Jon and bring him up as his own, but what if she didn't? What if she told Ned to put him on the throne? Maybe she bought into Rhaegar's prophecy stuff on top of falling for him? She could be all "Rayray said the baby will be king and save the world" and Ned promised he would do that. He obviously doesn't though. Why? Not only would it be suicidal, but it also keeps with Ned not wanting to see dead kids. Lyanna's request would basically doom the baby to an early death. It gets better though. I have A Game of Thrones here on my desk and just checked the chapter where Robert was on his death bed. Ding ding! Ned thinks of Lyanna's "promise me" during it, because, of course, Ned is listening to people on their death beds. When Ned doesn't tell Robert about his kids he thinks "the lies we tell for love" and "may the gods forgive me." We think this means the lies he told to Cat, Robert, and everybody about Jon being his. The parallel is more direct than that. In both cases he is lying to the person about what he is going to do. The oathbreaker won't just be Jon, it will be Ned too! What is even better is that Jon will probably think that abandoning the Night's Watch and fighting to unite the North against the White Walkers would be something Ned wouldn't do because Ned would likely view that as breaking your oath, but in reality it makes Jon more like Ned than he could ever imagine. And we the viewers learn that while Rhaegar may be Jon's father, Jon will always be Ned's son. Yes, that's why I've changed my mind and I think we will see ToJ in its entirety coming Sunday, because the title also refers to Ned breaking his oath to Lyanna.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:05:37 GMT
Okay so I've seen a theory popping up recently online, and I've got to say, I think it is true. It looks like R+L=J will be revealed in next episode. We've all been thinking that Lyanna asked Ned to protect Jon and bring him up as his own, but what if she didn't? What if she told Ned to put him on the throne? Maybe she bought into Rhaegar's prophecy stuff on top of falling for him? She could be all "Rayray said the baby will be king and save the world" and Ned promised he would do that. He obviously doesn't though. Why? Not only would it be suicidal, but it also keeps with Ned not wanting to see dead kids. Lyanna's request would basically doom the baby to an early death. It gets better though. I have A Game of Thrones here on my desk and just checked the chapter where Robert was on his death bed. Ding ding! Ned thinks of Lyanna's "promise me" during it, because, of course, Ned is listening to people on their death beds. When Ned doesn't tell Robert about his kids he thinks "the lies we tell for love" and "may the gods forgive me." We think this means the lies he told to Cat, Robert, and everybody about Jon being his. The parallel is more direct than that. In both cases he is lying to the person about what he is going to do. The oathbreaker won't just be Jon, it will be Ned too! What is even better is that Jon will probably think that abandoning the Night's Watch and fighting to unite the North against the White Walkers would be something Ned wouldn't do because Ned would likely view that as breaking your oath, but in reality it makes Jon more like Ned than he could ever imagine. And we the viewers learn that while Rhaegar may be Jon's father, Jon will always be Ned's son. Yes, that's why I've changed my mind and I think we will see ToJ in it's entirety coming Sunday, because the title also refers to Ned breaking his oath to Lyanna. Maybe this is the episode where we get the Kingslayer vision as well? Then the title could also refer to Jaime.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:18:42 GMT
Okay so I've seen a theory popping up recently online, and I've got to say, I think it is true. It looks like R+L=J will be revealed in next episode. We've all been thinking that Lyanna asked Ned to protect Jon and bring him up as his own, but what if she didn't? What if she told Ned to put him on the throne? Maybe she bought into Rhaegar's prophecy stuff on top of falling for him? She could be all "Rayray said the baby will be king and save the world" and Ned promised he would do that. He obviously doesn't though. Why? Not only would it be suicidal, but it also keeps with Ned not wanting to see dead kids. Lyanna's request would basically doom the baby to an early death. It gets better though. I have A Game of Thrones here on my desk and just checked the chapter where Robert was on his death bed. Ding ding! Ned thinks of Lyanna's "promise me" during it, because, of course, Ned is listening to people on their death beds. When Ned doesn't tell Robert about his kids he thinks "the lies we tell for love" and "may the gods forgive me." We think this means the lies he told to Cat, Robert, and everybody about Jon being his. The parallel is more direct than that. In both cases he is lying to the person about what he is going to do. The oathbreaker won't just be Jon, it will be Ned too! What is even better is that Jon will probably think that abandoning the Night's Watch and fighting to unite the North against the White Walkers would be something Ned wouldn't do because Ned would likely view that as breaking your oath, but in reality it makes Jon more like Ned than he could ever imagine. And we the viewers learn that while Rhaegar may be Jon's father, Jon will always be Ned's son. I could get behind this plot twist if that's what ends up being revealed. They may have hoped for one last 'surprise' for all the long-time rabid fans who thought they had the whole story figured out. I'm not sure there's as much evidence to support this 'double lie' from Ned as there is the straightforward lie that he passed Jon off as his own and nothing more. It would definitely be an 'oathbreaker' moment for sure though - considering how upstanding Ned always was - his life of living a lie to protect his sister's child was enough of a misery for him whereas many wouldn't really have thought that much of it or felt guilty really. The fandom will be divided on this theory because it depends on whether or not you want to see Jon (potentially) on the Iron Throne. I personally don't want to see him there and feel he's much better suited to being the "hero" who unites the realm to fight the Others. He doesn't have to be the king to do that. In fact I prefer Daenerys on the throne because she's more the "politician" (despite her numerous quotes to the contrary) that the Nobles can relate to. If they are are allies (and I think they will be) then it works out much better to have them cooperatively ruling and uniting Westeros as the Ice and Fire theme goes. Ultimately, I'm still hoping the Iron Throne gets melted into a blob of metal by the dragons and everyone moves on to rule as 7 true kingdoms again. That would be a nice ending.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 13:26:48 GMT
Okay so I've seen a theory popping up recently online, and I've got to say, I think it is true. It looks like R+L=J will be revealed in next episode. We've all been thinking that Lyanna asked Ned to protect Jon and bring him up as his own, but what if she didn't? What if she told Ned to put him on the throne? Maybe she bought into Rhaegar's prophecy stuff on top of falling for him? She could be all "Rayray said the baby will be king and save the world" and Ned promised he would do that. He obviously doesn't though. Why? Not only would it be suicidal, but it also keeps with Ned not wanting to see dead kids. Lyanna's request would basically doom the baby to an early death. It gets better though. I have A Game of Thrones here on my desk and just checked the chapter where Robert was on his death bed. Ding ding! Ned thinks of Lyanna's "promise me" during it, because, of course, Ned is listening to people on their death beds. When Ned doesn't tell Robert about his kids he thinks "the lies we tell for love" and "may the gods forgive me." We think this means the lies he told to Cat, Robert, and everybody about Jon being his. The parallel is more direct than that. In both cases he is lying to the person about what he is going to do. The oathbreaker won't just be Jon, it will be Ned too! What is even better is that Jon will probably think that abandoning the Night's Watch and fighting to unite the North against the White Walkers would be something Ned wouldn't do because Ned would likely view that as breaking your oath, but in reality it makes Jon more like Ned than he could ever imagine. And we the viewers learn that while Rhaegar may be Jon's father, Jon will always be Ned's son. I could get behind this plot twist if that's what ends up being revealed. They may have hoped for one last 'surprise' for all the long-time rabid fans who thought they had the whole story figured out. I'm not sure there's as much evidence to support this 'double lie' from Ned as there is the straightforward lie that he passed Jon off as his own and nothing more. It would definitely be an 'oathbreaker' moment for sure though - considering how upstanding Ned always was - his life of living a lie to protect his sister's child was enough of a misery for him whereas many wouldn't really have thought that much of it or felt guilty really. The fandom will be divided on this theory because it depends on whether or not you want to see Jon (potentially) on the Iron Throne. I personally don't want to see him there and feel he's much better suited to being the "hero" who unites the realm to fight the Others. He doesn't have to be the king to do that. In fact I prefer Daenerys on the throne because she's more the "politician" (despite her numerous quotes to the contrary) that the Nobles can relate to. If they are are allies (and I think they will be) then it works out much better to have them cooperatively ruling and uniting Westeros as the Ice and Fire theme goes. Ultimately, I'm still hoping the Iron Throne gets melted into a blob of metal by the dragons and everyone moves on to rule as 7 true kingdoms again. That would be a nice ending. The only throne Jon will sit will be the icy throne of Lands of Always Winter. I have no idea who gets the Iron Throne in the end. Before Season 5 I thought it might be fAegon, but obviously it won't, as he is cut from the show. GRRM has said that multiple characters will sit the Throne before the end. I dunno how that's possible, as it's very likely that Cersei blows whole King's Landing up after Tommen dies. But it might be possible that only the city burns, not the Red Keep. Then I could see Euron sitting on the throne for a while, before he gets roasted by dragonfire.
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Post by freeparking on May 6, 2016 13:36:02 GMT
Okay so I've seen a theory popping up recently online, and I've got to say, I think it is true. It looks like R+L=J will be revealed in next episode. We've all been thinking that Lyanna asked Ned to protect Jon and bring him up as his own, but what if she didn't? What if she told Ned to put him on the throne? Maybe she bought into Rhaegar's prophecy stuff on top of falling for him? She could be all "Rayray said the baby will be king and save the world" and Ned promised he would do that. He obviously doesn't though. Why? Not only would it be suicidal, but it also keeps with Ned not wanting to see dead kids. Lyanna's request would basically doom the baby to an early death. It gets better though. I have A Game of Thrones here on my desk and just checked the chapter where Robert was on his death bed. Ding ding! Ned thinks of Lyanna's "promise me" during it, because, of course, Ned is listening to people on their death beds. When Ned doesn't tell Robert about his kids he thinks "the lies we tell for love" and "may the gods forgive me." We think this means the lies he told to Cat, Robert, and everybody about Jon being his. The parallel is more direct than that. In both cases he is lying to the person about what he is going to do. The oathbreaker won't just be Jon, it will be Ned too! What is even better is that Jon will probably think that abandoning the Night's Watch and fighting to unite the North against the White Walkers would be something Ned wouldn't do because Ned would likely view that as breaking your oath, but in reality it makes Jon more like Ned than he could ever imagine. And we the viewers learn that while Rhaegar may be Jon's father, Jon will always be Ned's son. I hate quoting myself but whatever. There is also this line when Ned is in the dungeons: When he slept, he dreamed: dark disturbing dreams of blood and broken promises. If it was just about not telling the truth about Jon's father, shouldn't that read blood and lies, not broken promises? I don't recall that husbands are forced to give a vow to never lie to their wives. In other words, Ned would feel bad about lying to Cat but not about breaking a promise with her.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 7, 2016 5:33:35 GMT
I'm still not sure if this a spoiler thread or not. I keep skimming through and then looking away, placing my hand on my chest and thinking 'Oh my word... was that a spoiler or just a speculation?' I don't know.. but I do believe I have the vapors.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 6:08:06 GMT
I could get behind this plot twist if that's what ends up being revealed. They may have hoped for one last 'surprise' for all the long-time rabid fans who thought they had the whole story figured out. I'm not sure there's as much evidence to support this 'double lie' from Ned as there is the straightforward lie that he passed Jon off as his own and nothing more. It would definitely be an 'oathbreaker' moment for sure though - considering how upstanding Ned always was - his life of living a lie to protect his sister's child was enough of a misery for him whereas many wouldn't really have thought that much of it or felt guilty really. The fandom will be divided on this theory because it depends on whether or not you want to see Jon (potentially) on the Iron Throne. I personally don't want to see him there and feel he's much better suited to being the "hero" who unites the realm to fight the Others. He doesn't have to be the king to do that. In fact I prefer Daenerys on the throne because she's more the "politician" (despite her numerous quotes to the contrary) that the Nobles can relate to. If they are are allies (and I think they will be) then it works out much better to have them cooperatively ruling and uniting Westeros as the Ice and Fire theme goes. Ultimately, I'm still hoping the Iron Throne gets melted into a blob of metal by the dragons and everyone moves on to rule as 7 true kingdoms again. That would be a nice ending. The only throne Jon will sit will be the icy throne of Lands of Always Winter. I have no idea who gets the Iron Throne in the end. Before Season 5 I thought it might be fAegon, but obviously it won't, as he is cut from the show. GRRM has said that multiple characters will sit the Throne before the end. I dunno how that's possible, as it's very likely that Cersei blows whole King's Landing up after Tommen dies. But it might be possible that only the city burns, not the Red Keep. Then I could see Euron sitting on the throne for a while, before he gets roasted by dragonfire. I think KL burns, including the keep. I think the many asses on the throne thing will include Myrcella's whose death will play out differently in the books. ie, she will, very briefly, wear a real gold crown. My favorite theory for how this happens is that Dorne uses Myrcella's claim to give fAegon access to KL rather than Arianne sealing their deal. After her will come either fAegon (if my off-beat concept of Dornish strategy doesn't play out) or Euron. If fAegon, Euron will still IMO follow him. I could see Cersei marrying Euron to cling to power after her kids are dead, provided Euron's plan to marry Dany has by then clearly failed, and provided she has something Euron needs to make it worth his while. But maybe Dany will somehow be compelled to marry Euron, who knows. I am not going to predict the next step. The next step is endgame territory and there are too many unknowns.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 22:22:54 GMT
I'm still not sure if this a spoiler thread or not. I keep skimming through and then looking away, placing my hand on my chest and thinking 'Oh my word... was that a spoiler or just a speculation?' I don't know.. but I do believe I have the vapors. I -think- all the real leaks are supposed to be confined to the leaks/spoilers thread and not anywhere else.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 23:07:16 GMT
I'm still not sure if this a spoiler thread or not. I keep skimming through and then looking away, placing my hand on my chest and thinking 'Oh my word... was that a spoiler or just a speculation?' I don't know.. but I do believe I have the vapors. I -think- all the real leaks are supposed to be confined to the leaks/spoilers thread and not anywhere else. Yeah I put spoilers in the thread title, just in case. As for the post-discussion thread, the only spoilers there should be in tags and so far it's been pretty successful. So hopefully nobody writes Sansa bakes lemon cakes and poisons them with sweetsleep.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 23:12:30 GMT
I -think- all the real leaks are supposed to be confined to the leaks/spoilers thread and not anywhere else. Yeah I put spoilers in the thread title, just in case. As for the post-discussion thread, the only spoilers there should be in tags and so far it's been pretty successful. So hopefully nobody writes Sansa bakes lemon cakes and poisons them with sweetsleep. What would we ever do without you Al, our hero! *sigh*
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