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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 1:22:18 GMT
What Olly did:
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 24, 2015 1:40:38 GMT
THIS. IS. AWESOME. Seriously, congratulations on the finding.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 1:46:01 GMT
THIS. IS. AWESOME. Seriously, congratulations on the finding. Oh man, Ozzy Man rocks! Usually his stuff is corny silly but this actually feels creepy in a thriller movie twist kinda way.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 5:46:28 GMT
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 24, 2015 6:18:17 GMT
It's what Olly hasn't done that that's the problem, he hasn't had any characterization to justify his focus apart from being an orphan like Jon, and the Unsullied can predict what's going on with this walking manipulative plot device, his killing Ygritte was telegraphed from a mile away, and now his turning on Jon is set up from 50 miles away. The Unsullied picking up on both things is not good detective work, it's the obvious solution to "why is there so much focus on Jon and this kid?".
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:28:22 GMT
It's what Olly hasn't done that that's the problem, he hasn't had any characterization to justify his focus apart from being an orphan like Jon, and the Unsullied can predict what's going on with this walking manipulative plot device, his killing Ygritte was telegraphed from a mile away, and now his turning on Jon is set up from 50 miles away. The Unsullied picking up on both things is not good detective work, it's the obvious solution to "why is there so much focus on Jon and this kid?". I think that's all more obvious to us because we know For the Watch is coming and knew that Ygritte would die. I don't think many Unsullied would be as inclined to see that groundwork being set up here.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:32:11 GMT
It's what Olly hasn't done that that's the problem, he hasn't had any characterization to justify his focus apart from being an orphan like Jon, and the Unsullied can predict what's going on with this walking manipulative plot device, his killing Ygritte was telegraphed from a mile away, and now his turning on Jon is set up from 50 miles away. The Unsullied picking up on both things is not good detective work, it's the obvious solution to "why is there so much focus on Jon and this kid?". I think that's all more obvious to us because we know For the Watch is coming and knew that Ygritte would die. I don't think many Unsullied would be as inclined to see that groundwork being set up here. Some of you lurk on unsullied forums don't you? How quick are they picking up some sort of hidden agenda with Olly? I don't know why everyone dislikes Olly so much other than he's had zero character development, always has a sullen face, and killed Ygritte. Maybe some take exception to the actual Satin replacement, dunno.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 6:38:44 GMT
Some of you lurk on unsullied forums don't you? How quick are they picking up some sort of hidden agenda with Olly? I don't know why everyone dislikes Olly so much other than he's had zero character development, always has a sullen face, and killed Ygritte. Maybe some take exception to the actual Satin replacement, dunno. The only Unsullied reaction to Olly that I know of is my mum's and all she does is say, "Are you sure that's the same kid as last year? He looks so much older." To which I respond, "Yes, it is the same kid. I know that for a fact." And then she says, "Are you sure?" again.
She reacts the same way with Lancel.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 24, 2015 6:46:04 GMT
It's what Olly hasn't done that that's the problem, he hasn't had any characterization to justify his focus apart from being an orphan like Jon, and the Unsullied can predict what's going on with this walking manipulative plot device, his killing Ygritte was telegraphed from a mile away, and now his turning on Jon is set up from 50 miles away. The Unsullied picking up on both things is not good detective work, it's the obvious solution to "why is there so much focus on Jon and this kid?". I think that's all more obvious to us because we know For the Watch is coming and knew that Ygritte would die. I don't think many Unsullied would be as inclined to see that groundwork being set up here. I lurk the PTV Unsullied side, maybe they're all getting way too good at this by now but Olly is one thing pretty much everyone agrees on. And I don't think anyone expected Ygritte to survive the battle of Castle Black, she was superfluous as soon as she and Jon split, and obviously he had the better survival chances. And no one would see groundwork if it weren't for all the repeated gratuitous shots of him is my point, noticing him at all means wondering wtf this non-character's deal is. Ofc the general audience isn't counting down until Olly strikes again, but some of those people also think Dany's name is Khaleesi. Paying close attention makes Olly stick out like a sore thumb.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 24, 2015 6:48:16 GMT
I did some lurking on Unsullied forums, and they basically think Khaleesi is being stupid, they dislike Dorne and think the blade that cut Bronn is poisoned, they hate Cersei and are betting that her plan will backfire sooner or later, and they like Olenna Tyrell. I've also seen a lot of them talking bad things about Arya's arc (I mean, really???), and basically everybody wants Ramsay dead. They also don't like the HS and the Faith Millitant. But nobody mentions Olly as far as I know. (There is a thread for this actually, so let's avoid talking about it in this one) Still, yeah I hate the character. I feel sorry for him but the focus on him seems very dumb for me. I know hate is bad for ny health but I can't control it, sorry people who like him
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 24, 2015 6:57:23 GMT
I feel like those whiny book purists who bitched every time Ros showed up, but at least Ros helped move the plot without ever stealing focus, every scene she was in was actually about the main characters. I miss Ros.
Okay, topic, topic...um, I hope the Jaime/Myrcella scene adds something to the Dornish mess, since a topless Tyene with Bronn sure won't.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 24, 2015 7:03:31 GMT
My only hopes for Dorne are Doran, and the revelation that the necklace thing wasn't done by Dorne.
(As a book purist myself, I liked Ros and was sad when she was killed that way. I also don't hold anything against Olyvar , just didn't get his involvement with the FM, but as a character he is fine. The only problem to me is Olly)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 7:14:17 GMT
I've said this already but I thought Nell Tiger Free did a very good job in episode 506 with the little she was given to do, so I think a quiet two-hander (____________ <insert hacky Jaime pun here) scene between her and NCW is a very promising prospect. And more Doran would be lovely. Siddig is GREAT. As for the Tyene-Bronn business, Jerome Flynn's charisma is a very helpful resource. It's added A TON to that plotline already and will continue to do so, I think. I don't know about Rosabell Laurenti Sellers as yet (she hasn't had enough to do for me to know whether or not she's a good actor) but I think if Jessica Henwick is given a chance to inject some of the charisma I've seen from her in interviews into some of the lines in the scene, that could add to it too. I won't be too dismissive of the scene just yet. (Also I'm a 21-year-old guy...so bewbs. )
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 24, 2015 7:21:38 GMT
Bronn will probably be great, and maybe the bewbs will be nice specimens, but I don't really have high hopes for Laurenti Sellers to sell the cheesy dialogue when an Oscar nominee hasn't been able to sell Obara's.
Idek what a good resolution to the necklace plot would be, but Ellaria really had no reason to send it so that forced set-up is one of the things hurting this plot.
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Post by metopheles on May 24, 2015 11:21:10 GMT
The Bronn thing is the next.
Come on man. They were such good writers in s1 and s2 and even s3. But then their fetish for this "foreshadowing" went insane. From subtle nods or links that would only be noted after you rewatch it, they are now waving around neon signs that act as blatant spoilers. Nice touch they make Bronn sing the Dornishman's wife. Oh lets make Jaime interrupt him and Bronn say that the last part is the best. -The part where the singer says he dies, but doesn't regret it as he had a dornishwoman. Let's make Bronn also kill a snake to safe Jaime. Let's make an obvious camera angle to show Bronn was cut by a blade from the sandsnake.
You know, that is the problem. They lost their art. Their subtle approach at events. That the show was unpredictable. You never knew what was going to happen. Or when. Or how. Now everytime you see a character do something, you know the action will repeat itself. Be mirrored by a different character on that character to get revenge or something.
And Olly, besides being annoying and out of place at the Wall and the story, is a lazy uninspired plot device. The cheapest I have ever seen in my entire life and I am a total movie nerd who has seen lots of those stupid plot devices. But this one is the absolute worst. Absolutely obvious and well, like a time bomb with the timer in his face for the entire audience to see, but the hero fails to notice it.
And that's why this character rightfully deserves "hate".
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Post by metopheles on May 24, 2015 11:23:38 GMT
I feel like those whiny book purists who bitched every time Ros showed up, but at least Ros helped move the plot without ever stealing focus, every scene she was in was actually about the main characters. I miss Ros. Ros was a brilliant show invention, if not the best. Really liked her character.
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Post by greatjon on May 24, 2015 12:25:19 GMT
Ros was not a brilliant show invention. Ros was Shae by another name, they just couldn't wait to get her into the story by putting her in the pilot and changed her name.
What they should have done was make Ros run into Tyrion before the battle of the Green Fork on her way North. Instead of the insipid Shae we got in the show because they had to make her different from Ros.
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Post by boojam on May 24, 2015 12:45:56 GMT
Ros was a brilliant show invention, if not the best. Really liked her character. In season 1 I thought they had just hired a second string actress who would take off her clothes. Season 2 turns out Esmé Bianco is a fine actress and served a good plot narrative in her character. In a way Bianco got under used as an actor. At least she got 7 episodes deep into season 3.
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Post by boojam on May 24, 2015 13:17:15 GMT
Thunk tonight there might be more Snacks for the Dracs?
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Post by metopheles on May 24, 2015 13:29:07 GMT
In season 1 I thought they had just hired a second string actress who would take off her clothes. Season 2 turns out Esmé Bianco is a fine actress and served a good plot narrative in her character. In a way Bianco got under used as an actor. At least she got 7 episodes deep into season 3. It was a bad decision to cut her so early. She could have served LF well into s4. Really brought a different look at the brothels and that women could really use their body and like what they do instead of being just abused and stumbled into this business. She had a good character development and the actress fitted perfectly into the setting. It was also nice that she wasn't too porn like sexual in her role. She had a bit more style with her scenes, unlike all the other prostitute actresses in the series. And as sad as it might have been, her "shock death" was at least extremely well written and epic in a way, considering it was likely not really planned in the first place. So yeah. Sad death, but one that served so many purposes and her death was meaningful and affected the storylines of so many characters.
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