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Post by boojam on May 23, 2015 9:04:23 GMT
This episode should surpass High Sparrow. The blanket's not a good sign though as far as my  goes. Ah well.
It's really looking like Arya won't be in the episode btw, despite the way the title could apply to her storyline. I'm beginning to think that the Ship Insurance Man hit was switched entirely into ep. 508 instead of being covered over two episodes like the casting call for the part suggested.
That would make three episodes... , House of Black and White super condensed Arya's story line. I know it's the old Blivit problem but expected more Arya narrative elaboration than this. A personal bias, I know, but in the books Arya's chapters were the ones a read first because George drew me in to the weird world of THoBaW , which is still mysterious, and Arya's integration into the culture of Braavos. Braavos world building was the most interesting thing in Feast and Crows for me (in fact had the most pleasure reading those, GRRM seemed inspired). (Only other chapter was Daznak's Pit which was big surprise and was a GRRM wiz bang special.) So only 8 , 9 and 10 left for Arya, with a version of "Mercy' wedged in? Well in Winds Arya is still in Braavos so still in season 6? |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 23, 2015 9:06:26 GMT
I expect Cersei to go down fighting, trying to escape the Sept and being thown into the cells like a common prisoner, with no special treat. Hope they'll make a good scene of this one, I've been expecting for years, and Headey and Pryce are both terrific actors!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 9:15:00 GMT
That would make three episodes... , House of Black and White super condensed Arya's story line. I know it's the old Blivit problem but expected more Arya narrative elaboration than this. A personal bias, I know, but in the books Arya's chapters were the ones a read first because George drew me in to the weird world of THoBaW , which is still mysterious, and Arya's integration into the culture of Braavos. Braavos world building was the most interesting thing in Feast and Crows for me (in fact had the most pleasure reading those, GRRM seemed inspired). (Only other chapter was Daznak's Pit which was big surprise and was a GRRM wiz bang special.) So only 8 , 9 and 10 left for Arya, with a version of "Mercy' wedged in? Well in Winds Arya is still in Braavos so still in season 6? Arya currently comes in fifth screentime-wise of all the show's characters for s5 (four minutes more than Dany btw), so I'm not worried about her missing episodes really, so long as she keeps having tons of screentime in the ones she's in. |
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Post by boojam on May 23, 2015 9:30:02 GMT
A whole series of shots of Tommen and Cersei in what looks to be a Mother/son tiff of some sort with a hug to make up? I'm guessing he tries to put his little foot down about Marg's arrest ... That's about the best "mad face" I think poor Tommen can muster.  The whole story does not have much of a template from this parallel universe. From Western Europe even before the Protestant Reformation monarchs paid little attention to Rome when push came to shove. Henry VII even gave the church a bloody nose over it's hard boiled strictness. Even tho the Pope had Spain move against northern Europe , and England, it didn't work. When France did move against the Huguenots it was a grab for political power rather than religious purity. In any case in the show's story does Kevan now come back? Putting someone in charge who would use the crown's swords against the Faith Militant ? |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 23, 2015 10:03:00 GMT
i think Lancel would have told the HS more than that - sleeping with lancel while the king was still alive (adultery) - incest with her brother - ordering lancel to give the king extra wine on his hunt - conspiring to murder her brother (?) Lancel might know about that since he was at the blackwater The first one is very realistic (but didn't Cersei start sleeping with Lancel after Jaime was gone?). The second one I have a hard time believing, this would mean that Tommen&Myrcella would be declared bastards by the faith and their claim would be removed. Regicide charges could be possible. Wasn't Lancel with Cersei when the kingsguard turned on Tyrion?Yes, he was cowering on the floor after Cersei hit in his wound, and the show has already pointed the finger at Joffrey for that anyway. Which I don't see as the same as taking away Cersei's culpability wrt the bastard infanticide, the attempt on Tyrion was never really solved in the books and never comes up in Cersei's PoV. Lancel can still be a witness for the twincest, it doesn't take a genius to connect that to the motives for Robert's murder. And the sparrows already believe the rumors from their jeers to Tommen in 5.04. That's more well known than Loras's buggery, I'd wager. And Westeros doesn't really rely on solid evidence, proof of murdering the king should be good enough to support accusations of cuckolding him. |
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Post by breakfest on May 23, 2015 13:20:59 GMT
Just had a thought inspired by the suggestion on a reddit thread that Jaime returns Myrcella's necklace to her. What if this happens but Myrcella reveals she was never given a necklace like it, spurring on Jaime to realise that Cersei orchestrated the entire situation and finally causing his love and devotion to dwindle away.
Only problem is: it's not as if Myrcella wasn't actually in danger, so the 'mission' wasn't the waste of time it would appear at that moment. I don't know.
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Post by Admin on May 23, 2015 15:02:04 GMT
Just had a thought inspired by the suggestion on a reddit thread that Jaime returns Myrcella's necklace to her. What if this happens but Myrcella reveals she was never given a necklace like it, spurring on Jaime to realise that Cersei orchestrated the entire situation and finally causing his love and devotion to dwindle away. Only problem is: it's not as if Myrcella wasn't actually in danger, so the 'mission' wasn't the waste of time it would appear at that moment. I don't know. That was theory in fake spoilers. I kinda hate it because it makes that storyline even more poorly written but I bet it happens |
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Post by King Tommen on May 23, 2015 15:12:53 GMT
I agree that they shouldn't go that way (because if Cersei was trying to fake Jaime out, why not just order him to go to Dorne because of this threat instead of him coming up with the idea himself?).
But if someone actually sent the necklace to Cersei, they should probably reveal who it was because it sure as hell wasn't Doran.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 23, 2015 16:23:20 GMT
Yeah I also hope they address the necklace thing, because that was very poor writing IMO. First of all, we've seen more necklaces like that one, so we know that Cersei was lying about there being only two. Then we have the problem that it is a very stupid threat. I mean, would Ellaria send that before even starting the plot to kill Myrcella? (She didn't even have "OBARA SAND DAUGHTER OF OBERYN MARTELL" and her sistera' support when Cersei got the necklace). And how the hell did she get the necklace anyway? Did she steal from Myrcella?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 16:30:48 GMT
Yeah I also hope they address the necklace thing, because that was very poor writing IMO. First of all, we've seen more necklaces like that one, so we know that Cersei was lying about there being only two. Then we have the problem that it is a very stupid threat. I mean, would Ellaria send that before even starting the plot to kill Myrcella? (She didn't even have "OBARA SAND DAUGHTER OF OBERYN MARTELL" and her sistera' support when Cersei got the necklace). And how the hell did she get the necklace anyway? Did she steal from Myrcella? I really like the theory that Littlefinger sent it, just to stir up more shit between KL and Dorne. |
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Post by day dreamer on May 23, 2015 16:40:06 GMT
Yeah I also hope they address the necklace thing, because that was very poor writing IMO. First of all, we've seen more necklaces like that one, so we know that Cersei was lying about there being only two. Then we have the problem that it is a very stupid threat. I mean, would Ellaria send that before even starting the plot to kill Myrcella? (She didn't even have "OBARA SAND DAUGHTER OF OBERYN MARTELL" and her sistera' support when Cersei got the necklace). And how the hell did she get the necklace anyway? Did she steal from Myrcella? I like the foiler of Cersei lying about the necklace and Jaime seeing that Myrcella still has hers. That added an interesting layer, and it makes sense like you pointed out about Ellaria sending it. As for the promo - Aemon!  I still think Sam goes to Oldtown and they maybe just didn't mention in in the ItE. Dany's bed hair wig still looks terrible. It looks so much more believable when it's braided. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 23, 2015 16:48:10 GMT
I really like the theory that Littlefinger sent it, just to stir up more shit between KL and Dorne. Now that's an interesting theory! Surely reminds us of what he did when telling Lysa to send that letter to Catelyn back in season one! |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 23, 2015 16:49:36 GMT
I like the foiler of Cersei lying about the necklace and Jaime seeing that Myrcella still has hers. That added an interesting layer, and it makes sense like you pointed out about Ellaria sending it. As for the promo - Aemon! I still think Sam goes to Oldtown and they maybe just didn't mention in in the ItE. Dany's bed hair wig still looks terrible. It looks so much more believable when it's braided. Yeah, I think it was either Cersei or Littlefinger. At least in the grounds of theories that makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if this necklace thing just passes and we get no resolution of it... Like the assassin sent to kill Bran on season 1, and we still don't know who did it in show canon. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 20:22:14 GMT
Yeah I also hope they address the necklace thing, because that was very poor writing IMO. First of all, we've seen more necklaces like that one, so we know that Cersei was lying about there being only two. Then we have the problem that it is a very stupid threat. I mean, would Ellaria send that before even starting the plot to kill Myrcella? (She didn't even have "OBARA SAND DAUGHTER OF OBERYN MARTELL" and her sistera' support when Cersei got the necklace). And how the hell did she get the necklace anyway? Did she steal from Myrcella? I like the foiler of Cersei lying about the necklace and Jaime seeing that Myrcella still has hers. That added an interesting layer, and it makes sense like you pointed out about Ellaria sending it. As for the promo - Aemon! I still think Sam goes to Oldtown and they maybe just didn't mention in in the ItE. Dany's bed hair wig still looks terrible. It looks so much more believable when it's braided. I've always been a little more critical of Dany's wigs while others here think they're well done. I don't hate them - it's not terrible, but the one they're using for her bed scene doesn't seem as natural as the ones she had in previous seasons. What happened to the ones she wore during her Dothraki phase? She had some good ones for bed scenes with Drogo or am I just not remembering? Anyways, I like the ideas you and others have about the necklace and agree, they need to address that. I suspect they left it hanging (hopefully) the way they did the infamous birthmark. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 21:03:32 GMT
I like the foiler of Cersei lying about the necklace and Jaime seeing that Myrcella still has hers. That added an interesting layer, and it makes sense like you pointed out about Ellaria sending it. As for the promo - Aemon! I still think Sam goes to Oldtown and they maybe just didn't mention in in the ItE. Dany's bed hair wig still looks terrible. It looks so much more believable when it's braided. I've always been a little more critical of Dany's wigs while others here think they're well done. I don't hate them - it's not terrible, but the one they're using for her bed scene doesn't seem as natural as the ones she had in previous seasons. What happened to the ones she wore during her Dothraki phase? She had some good ones for bed scenes with Drogo or am I just not remembering?Anyways, I like the ideas you and others have about the necklace and agree, they need to address that. I suspect they left it hanging (hopefully) the way they did the infamous birthmark. I'm no hairdresser, but I always assumed you'd use different wigs in terms of thinkness and fullness depending on whether it is a styled, braided hairstyle (cause you need a lot hair for Dany's regal style) or a left open, free hairstyle. But I agree, her Dothraki wigs looked realer than those sported in the Inside the Episode. |
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Post by metopheles on May 23, 2015 21:46:56 GMT
At this point I don't care at all about wigs or eye colour. I would have them all go in green nylon wigs from a cheap Halloween costume if the writing would be getting better.
Seriously. This is more important now.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 21:49:01 GMT
At this point I don't care at all about wigs or eye colour. I would have them all go in green nylon wigs from a cheap Halloween costume if the writing would be getting better. Seriously. This is more important now. Well we've all beat that horse to death around here by now and it's consensus the writing has left a little to be desired lately. After that, you start criticizing costumes and hair.   |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 21:52:28 GMT
Is that the consensus? I haven't gotten that sense. Except for Dorne
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 21:58:44 GMT
Is that the consensus? I haven't gotten that sense. Except for Dorne I've participated in quite a few threads on this forum since the last episode and seems most people were marginally dissatisfied to varying degrees on details of Winterfell, Sansa's storyline change, Dany/dragon/Master stuff and Dorne. I didn't take a poll but I get the feeling of consensus. Not ASoIaF level of ridiculousness mind you, hehe. Everyone here is pretty level headed with their criticisms and I enjoy that. EDIT: You could argue the ratings we gave in episode polls here are far higher than elsewhere so if there's consensus, it's overall still liking the season with some very minor nitpicking on the writing and yes, most heavily on the Sand Snakes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 22:14:31 GMT
At this point I don't care at all about wigs or eye colour. I would have them all go in green nylon wigs from a cheap Halloween costume if the writing would be getting better. Seriously. This is more important now. Sorry for going a bit off-topic , we have a separate costume thread already. I just like to discuss the show as a whole. |
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goes. Ah well.
I still think Sam goes to Oldtown and they maybe just didn't mention in in the ItE.
