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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 22:22:18 GMT
She saw a bunch of stuff in the flames that suggested Stannis was the chosen one but it was all about Jon because she can't read her own visions for shit. But where did Selyse get the idea to convert to this religion in the first place? Did Melisandre come to her or Selyse sent for a red priest for some reason? Was that ever explained? |
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 4, 2016 22:26:44 GMT
I like the idea that Selyse and Mel met up at some spa retreat and just hung out a lot. Over the course of the weekend Selyse really took to the R'hollor lifestyle and brought Mel back with her to be best buds at Dragonstone.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 4, 2016 22:27:17 GMT
She saw a bunch of stuff in the flames that suggested Stannis was the chosen one but it was all about Jon because she can't read her own visions for shit. But where did Selyse get the idea to convert to this religion in the first place? Did Melisandre come to her or Selyse sent for a red priest for some reason? Was that ever explained? Selyse brought her to Dragonstone because she wanted a new religion for whatever reason, I guess to cope with the trauma of losing a bunch of babies. They said it on an inside the episode or something. |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 4, 2016 22:27:48 GMT
She saw a bunch of stuff in the flames that suggested Stannis was the chosen one but it was all about Jon because she can't read her own visions for shit. But where did Selyse get the idea to convert to this religion in the first place? Did Melisandre come to her or Selyse sent for a red priest for some reason? Was that ever explained? I remember reading somewhere that Mel was brought to cure Shireen's greyscale and that Selyse grew fond of her because of her success, I just don't remember if I read that as a theory or as an interpretation of the text. |
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 4, 2016 22:31:20 GMT
But where did Selyse get the idea to convert to this religion in the first place? Did Melisandre come to her or Selyse sent for a red priest for some reason? Was that ever explained? I remember reading somewhere that Mel was brought to cure Shireen's greyscale and that Selyse grew fond of her because of her success, I just don't remember if I read that as a theory or as an interpretation of the text. Not sure if it's canon or not but regardless, the show should've run with that explanation to add some irony to the decision to burn Shireen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 22:32:20 GMT
But where did Selyse get the idea to convert to this religion in the first place? Did Melisandre come to her or Selyse sent for a red priest for some reason? Was that ever explained? I remember reading somewhere that Mel was brought to cure Shireen's greyscale and that Selyse grew fond of her because of her success, I just don't remember if I read that as a theory or as an interpretation of the text. Mel's idea of a cure would have been a pyre, so... I'm inclined to believe this is just a (mis)interpretation. If I remember right, she went to Dragonstone herself because of her visions. Stannis had a bit of a complex so likely kept her around because she thought he was important and Selyse found comfort in R'hllorism. |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 4, 2016 22:41:01 GMT
I remember reading somewhere that Mel was brought to cure Shireen's greyscale and that Selyse grew fond of her because of her success, I just don't remember if I read that as a theory or as an interpretation of the text. Mel's idea of a cure would have been a pyre, so... I'm inclined to believe this is just a (mis)interpretation. If I remember right, she went to Dragonstone herself because of her visions. Stannis had a bit of a complex so likely kept her around because she thought he was important and Selyse found comfort in R'hllorism. It could be a combination of both, maybe she went there for ulterior R'hllor-ish purposes and used the cure for Shireen as an excuse to spread her gospel, which is why Shireen's greyscale was never really cured, only stopped from growing. Still, I believe in the stuff I mentioned in the previous post. I believe Mel is a good person deep down and wishes to do good in her own misguided ways. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 22:44:30 GMT
Mel's idea of a cure would have been a pyre, so... I'm inclined to believe this is just a (mis)interpretation. If I remember right, she went to Dragonstone herself because of her visions. Stannis had a bit of a complex so likely kept her around because she thought he was important and Selyse found comfort in R'hllorism. It could be a combination of both, maybe she went there for ulterior R'hllor-ish purposes and used the cure for Shireen as an excuse to spread her gospel, which is why Shireen's greyscale was never really cured, only stopped from growing. Still, I believe in the stuff I mentioned in the previous post. I believe Mel is a good person deep down and wishes to do good in her own misguided ways. I don't know if I would say she's a good person. But her adwd chapter showed that she actually believes what she preached and that she doesn't have any ulterior motives. But she's a religious extremist who burns people in the name of her god. If she existed in our world we'd be labelling her a terrorist. |
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 4, 2016 22:45:25 GMT
From a GRRM interview a few years ago:
Why did Melisandre seek out Stannis? Did she see him in her flames and decided to seek him out on her own, or is she on a mission on behalf of the red priests? It doesn't seem at any point as if the latter is the case, when you compare to Moqorro who has been sent out by the priesthood.
You're right. Melisandre has gone to Stannis entirely on her own, and has her own agenda.
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 4, 2016 23:47:23 GMT
I like the idea of GoT having a chat show, but "After The Thrones?" What a shit title.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 4, 2016 23:57:26 GMT
I think a panel show was long overdue and the only question is whether the HBO affiliation will mean that cast and more importantly D&D/Cogman will appear to discuss the episodes occasionally. That would be the real coup because it's tough to get their comments on many of the immediate happenings because of their schedules normally.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Apr 5, 2016 0:22:45 GMT
This already sounds stupid as I type it, but if Mel is revealed to be an ancient crone, couldn't that be one of the reasons she is "missing" from part of the late season?
We have an old woman cast for episodes 7 and 8 in an unknown role. Some theorized she was Old Nan, but we now know the Old Nan flashback is in episode 2. I don't think they would recast Melisandre (that would be incredibly stupid) but this could be her "guise" for a couple of episodes. Maybe for Davos to take pity on her, or maybe her crisis of faith really is destroying the illusion of youth.
I had a few drinks tonight so please forgive this post in advance .
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Post by lordcarson on Apr 5, 2016 0:56:04 GMT
Another reminder why the comments at WOTW have gotten terrible: People criticizing the aftershow three weeks before its first episode because "OMG NO WOMEN ON THE SHOW WAT THE HECK???" when they have CLEARLY said multiple times that MALLORY IS GOING TO BE MAKING REGULAR APPEARANCES JUST LIKE SHE DID ON THEIR PODCAST. RIP lordcarson  |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Apr 5, 2016 1:19:22 GMT
Another reminder why the comments at WOTW have gotten terrible: People criticizing the aftershow three weeks before its first episode because "OMG NO WOMEN ON THE SHOW WAT THE HECK???" when they have CLEARLY said multiple times that MALLORY IS GOING TO BE MAKING REGULAR APPEARANCES JUST LIKE SHE DID ON THEIR PODCAST. RIP lordcarson Well, they have always been terrible, IMHO.  That's the reason because I rarely post there. But yeah, it's hard to understand all the people there doubting of Jon's return. Just the damn pic of Kit filming in Saintfield and the fact that Tower of Joy is in should be enough for anybody. It's just silly. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Apr 5, 2016 1:23:23 GMT
I think a panel show was long overdue and the only question is whether the HBO affiliation will mean that cast and more importantly D&D/Cogman will appear to discuss the episodes occasionally. That would be the real coup because it's tough to get their comments on many of the immediate happenings because of their schedules normally. Yeah, that's what I'm most looking forward. We could get some interesting discussions about the creative choices taken by D&D/Cogman, something that we rarely see. And maybe some little hints here and there about future episodes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 1:29:00 GMT
This already sounds stupid as I type it, but if Mel is revealed to be an ancient crone, couldn't that be one of the reasons she is "missing" from part of the late season? We have an old woman cast for episodes 7 and 8 in an unknown role. Some theorized she was Old Nan, but we now know the Old Nan flashback is in episode 2. I don't think they would recast Melisandre (that would be incredibly stupid) but this could be her "guise" for a couple of episodes. Maybe for Davos to take pity on her, or maybe her crisis of faith really is destroying the illusion of youth. I had a few drinks tonight so please forgive this post in advance . hahaha maybe. But i personally doubt the whole Melisandre is old thing. I just don't see how it would be relevant for the show when so many other details have been omitted. If they wanted to go this way, i would have thought they'd actually show her powers a bit more and introduce glamour before hand. I think what Carice is talking about is resurrecting Jon. "I knew this was coming for a while". It must be. |
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Post by lordcarson on Apr 5, 2016 1:29:09 GMT
By the way, the torn banners teasers from January have started playing in front of HBO Go episodes for the past few days now that it's April. We're so close.  |
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Post by boojam on Apr 5, 2016 2:22:48 GMT
So what's the theories about Melisandre's past? She escaped the Doom of Valyria...somehow, sold into slavery, sold to a Red Temple, where R'hllor showed her the light and she somehow stayed alive for 400 years and uses magic to stay young looking.... I don't hate it, but I don't get it either. How would she stay alive for that long, and why glamour? The bigger "Why" for me has always been why she came to Westeros and attached herself to Stannis in the first place. Was that ever explained anywhere? I mean you would think after 400 years she would have had some more solid leads on the real deal.  Supposedly she was like Thoros , sent to Westeros by the 'religion' of R'hllor. In his case to convert Aerys II, but that didn't work. She seems to have been higher up than Thoros . I guess the religion of the Red God is trying to gain the power of Westeros in a face off with their mortal enemy The Great Other. Stannis sort of flops by not winning Blackwater. But when Castle Black warns about the 'Walker-invasion' she gets real interested in have Stannis go to the Wall. Tho in Dance Mel seems to take time off to fool around with god-knows-what after Stannis defeats the Wildlings. Of course the show has muddied the waters by not having the Great Other, unless the Night King counts? It's like the Red God's followers are trying to steer power in Planetos to fight the Others. We shall have to see in S6 if any of this is explained , because it's not clear in the books. |
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 5, 2016 3:54:24 GMT
Speaking of D&D/Cogman commentary, Cogman is just starting to live-tweet "The Rains of Castamere" as part of his re-watch of his Top 10 GoT episodes. These are awesome, tons of cool info.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Apr 5, 2016 5:25:41 GMT
But where did Selyse get the idea to convert to this religion in the first place? Did Melisandre come to her or Selyse sent for a red priest for some reason? Was that ever explained? I remember reading somewhere that Mel was brought to cure Shireen's greyscale and that Selyse grew fond of her because of her success, I just don't remember if I read that as a theory or as an interpretation of the text. I think that's just a fanon thing. I actually remember seeing it theorized by the Unsullied. Shireen survived greyscale as a baby and Mel only arrived maybe a couple years before the war at most, so I don't think there was really much connection there. |
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That's the reason because I rarely post there. But yeah, it's hard to understand all the people there doubting of Jon's return. Just the damn pic of Kit filming in Saintfield and the fact that Tower of Joy is in should be enough for anybody. It's just silly.
