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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 19:25:28 GMT
Yeah, but if they can get Fairley to play Arya wearing her mother's face, why can't they have LSH? I don't really care, but having Fairley come back but not as LSH would be huge fuck you to her fans.
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Post by janicia on Feb 15, 2016 19:34:50 GMT
A slightly different take on the teaser: I imagined Arya hearing those voices from her family and letting them guide her path. The voices from Robb and Catelyn from the time after Ned's death would be especially impactful to her, I think, because she was trying so hard to get to them and couldn't. But Jon's warning is the most important.
My first thought was also that Arya might rampage in a Joffrey mask. I feel like she could do more damage to her enemies wearing one of their faces, rather than Catelyn's face. Arya and Joffrey seem linked to me, for their intense hatred of each other. Both of them hated many people, but I think they hated each other the most.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 19:40:53 GMT
Yeah, but if they can get Fairley to play Arya wearing her mother's face, why can't they have LSH? I don't really care, but having Fairley come back but not as LSH would be huge fuck you to her fans. Because they don't want to have too many resurrections in the story. A lot of people are critical of that. |
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Post by Basil on Feb 15, 2016 19:48:19 GMT
If they bring back Michelle Fairley to play Arya wearing her mother's face, that just might be the worst thing they've done so far, I don't think I'd be able to handle it. I don't care about Walder Frey's reaction, I want Catelyn to have her revenge and maybe, hopefully, find some peace. D&D robbing her of that and leaving it to Arya to take revenge for the Red Wedding would be, frankly, insulting ... to Catelyn as a character and her fans. And it would break my freaking heart.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 19:54:34 GMT
If they bring back Michelle Fairley to play Arya wearing her mother's face, that just might be the worst thing they've done so far, I don't think I'd be able to handle it. I don't care about Walder Frey's reaction, I want Catelyn to have her revenge and maybe, hopefully, find some peace. D&D robbing her of that and leaving it to Arya to take revenge for the Red Wedding would be, frankly, insulting ... to Catelyn as a character and her fans. And it would break my freaking heart. So you'd prefer them not bringing Fairley back at all over Arya wearing her mother's face? IMO as a Catelyn fan I would find it endlessly more insulting if they cut her altogether and just gave her revenge to someone else without any mention of her. Arya wearing her mother's face would at least be a nod to the storyline and quite frankly, it would be visually interesting. Btw, I never saw LSH as a way for Catelyn to find peace. Catelyn had more peace when she was dead than whatever she has as LSH. That being said, I already said that I'd prefer LSH over any other alternative. I just find the possibility of Arya wearing her mother's face to be better than other alternatives, that's all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 19:58:54 GMT
Catelyn will never find peace as Stoneheart. She is too vengeful and angry. Even if she does manage to get revenge on the Freys, she will never get or see revenge against the Lannisters, Boltons, Greyjoys etc. She is more peaceful dead.
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Post by Enid on Feb 15, 2016 20:01:27 GMT
But, how can Arya wear her mother's face? Catelyn didn't die in THOBAW, she was killed in the Twins and her corpse was thrown into the river. No way her face is anywhere for Arya to wear, any explanation would be way too convoluted, and I know the show sometimes twists logic to get a plot going, but nothing they have done comes close to finding a way to explain how Arya could ever find her mother's face, either in THOBAW or anywhere in Westeros, and use it.
I'd rather have LSH, or Arya learning to use magic to change her appearance without needing a face to look like Cat than suddenly finding out Cat's face is somewhere convenient for Arya to use.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:03:09 GMT
Dat Snowbowl doe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:05:36 GMT
Catelyn will never find peace as Stoneheart. She is too vengeful and angry. Even if she does manage to get revenge on the Freys, she will never get or see revenge against the Lannisters, Boltons, Greyjoys etc. She is more peaceful dead.I agree 100% and GRRM already said that that's pretty much the point of the character. She is this unresting shell of a person and is basically a continuation of the horror of the RW. I love this kind of bleak storytelling, that's why I want LSH. But for Catelyn as a character it would have been better/more peaceful if she had never been resurrected at all. There's nothing pacifying or triumphant about her possible revenge, nor should there be. That's one of the reasons why this storyline is this interesting to me. |
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Post by Basil on Feb 15, 2016 20:05:52 GMT
If they bring back Michelle Fairley to play Arya wearing her mother's face, that just might be the worst thing they've done so far, I don't think I'd be able to handle it. I don't care about Walder Frey's reaction, I want Catelyn to have her revenge and maybe, hopefully, find some peace. D&D robbing her of that and leaving it to Arya to take revenge for the Red Wedding would be, frankly, insulting ... to Catelyn as a character and her fans. And it would break my freaking heart. So you'd prefer them not bringing Fairley back at all over Arya wearing her mother's face? IMO as a Catelyn fan I would find it endlessly more insulting if they cut her altogether and just gave her revenge to someone else without any mention of her. Arya wearing her mother's face would at least be a nod to the storyline and quite frankly, it would be visually interesting. Btw, I never saw LSH as a way for Catelyn to find peace. Catelyn had more peace when she was dead than whatever she has as LSH. That being said, I already said that I'd prefer LSH over any other alternative. I just find the possibility of Arya wearing her mother's face to be better than other alternatives, that's all. I don't want to argue about this. I've no interest in Michelle Fairley returning to play Arya, that's my opinion. Maybe it would be a nod to a storyline and a character they never adapted, but since that character is one of my favourites, a nod simply isn't enough for me, it would be incredibly painful to see it play out that way, knowing that they just as easily could have had LSH on the show. Most people don't see it that way, I get and respect that, but I need it to be Catelyn, not Arya, not Sansa, not Blackfish. Only Cat. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:06:17 GMT
But, how can Arya wear her mother's face? Catelyn didn't die in THOBAW, she was killed in the Twins and her corpse was thrown into the river. No way her face is anywhere for Arya to wear, any explanation would be way too convoluted, and I know the show sometimes twists logic to get a plot going, but nothing they have done comes close to finding a way to explain how Arya could ever find her mother's face, either in THOBAW or anywhere else in Westeros, and use it. I'd rather have LSH or Arya learning to use magic to change her appearance and look like Cat than suddenly finding out Cat's face is somewhere convenient for Arya to use. The show hasn't really established the HoBaW mythos, though. Why does Catelyn have to have died in the HoBaW for Arya to wear her face on the show? Arya is very much still alive and Jaqen/The Waif wore her face (albeit very briefly) in the season 5 finale. If they want it to happen, it will happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:10:04 GMT
So you'd prefer them not bringing Fairley back at all over Arya wearing her mother's face? IMO as a Catelyn fan I would find it endlessly more insulting if they cut her altogether and just gave her revenge to someone else without any mention of her. Arya wearing her mother's face would at least be a nod to the storyline and quite frankly, it would be visually interesting. Btw, I never saw LSH as a way for Catelyn to find peace. Catelyn had more peace when she was dead than whatever she has as LSH. That being said, I already said that I'd prefer LSH over any other alternative. I just find the possibility of Arya wearing her mother's face to be better than other alternatives, that's all. I don't want to argue about this. I've no interest in Michelle Fairley returning to play Arya, that's my opinion. Maybe it would be a nod to a storyline and a character they never adapted, by since that character is one of my favourites, a nod simply isn't enough for me, it would be incredibly painful to see it play out that way, knowing that they just as easily could have had LSH on the show. Most people don't see it that way, I get and respect that, but I need it to be Catelyn, not Arya, not Sansa, not Blackfish. Only Cat. I was not arguing against you. I was merely asking if you'd prefer them not bringing Fairley back at all over bringing her back in this way? |
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Post by Basil on Feb 15, 2016 20:11:28 GMT
I don't want to argue about this. I've no interest in Michelle Fairley returning to play Arya, that's my opinion. Maybe it would be a nod to a storyline and a character they never adapted, by since that character is one of my favourites, a nod simply isn't enough for me, it would be incredibly painful to see it play out that way, knowing that they just as easily could have had LSH on the show. Most people don't see it that way, I get and respect that, but I need it to be Catelyn, not Arya, not Sansa, not Blackfish. Only Cat. I was not arguing against you. I was merely asking if you'd prefer them not bringing Fairley back at all over bringing her back in this way? Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:17:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:19:34 GMT
I was not arguing against you. I was merely asking if you'd prefer them not bringing Fairley back at all over bringing her back in this way? Yes. That's ok, I get it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:23:38 GMT
I hate this scene in hindsight. It was clearly intended as LSH foreshadowing which has (as yet) amounted to nothing  |
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Post by Enid on Feb 15, 2016 20:25:22 GMT
But, how can Arya wear her mother's face? Catelyn didn't die in THOBAW, she was killed in the Twins and her corpse was thrown into the river. No way her face is anywhere for Arya to wear, any explanation would be way too convoluted, and I know the show sometimes twists logic to get a plot going, but nothing they have done comes close to finding a way to explain how Arya could ever find her mother's face, either in THOBAW or anywhere else in Westeros, and use it. I'd rather have LSH or Arya learning to use magic to change her appearance and look like Cat than suddenly finding out Cat's face is somewhere convenient for Arya to use. The show hasn't really established the HoBaW mythos, though. Why does Catelyn have to have died in the HoBaW for Arya to wear her face on the show? Arya is very much still alive and Jaqen/The Waif wore her face (albeit very briefly) in the season 5 finale. If they want it to happen, it will happen. That's true, but I never thought the Waif or Jaqen used a face to look like Arya. The books and the show have shown a FM can change his/her face using magic that doesn't require wearing a dead's person face, I assumed they did that, and that maybe they were playing tricks on her mind to torment her even more before they blinded her. Maybe is possible to modify a face to make it look like someone else, maybe Arya will learn to change her looks without using a face like Jaqen did in season 2. Those are things I can see happening. When I said I can't see how Arya could ever get Cat's face, I meant Cat's actual face. Last season we saw that the face of the girl Arya gave the poisoned water last season was added to the vault. Like, her actual face, probably after being cut from her corpse. When I read about Arya wearing Cat's face I just thought about Arya literally wearing her mother's face like a mask just like she did with the little girl's last season, and I just couldn't see how Cat's actual face could ever be in THOBAW, or anywhere else. It was a misunderstanding. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 20:26:02 GMT
I hate this scene in hindsight. It was clearly intended as LSH foreshadowing which has (as yet) amounted to nothing I was trying to ease the tension. My bad.  Also the fact that I'm excited to see the Tower of Joy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 21:00:34 GMT
But, how can Arya wear her mother's face? Catelyn didn't die in THOBAW, she was killed in the Twins and her corpse was thrown into the river. No way her face is anywhere for Arya to wear, any explanation would be way too convoluted, and I know the show sometimes twists logic to get a plot going, but nothing they have done comes close to finding a way to explain how Arya could ever find her mother's face, either in THOBAW or anywhere else in Westeros, and use it. I'd rather have LSH or Arya learning to use magic to change her appearance and look like Cat than suddenly finding out Cat's face is somewhere convenient for Arya to use. Why does Catelyn have to have died in the HoBaW for Arya to wear her face on the show? Arya is very much still alive and Jaqen/The Waif wore her face (albeit very briefly) in the season 5 finale. If they want it to happen, it will happen. They've been trying to. Arya spent half her time watching people die/sacrifice themselves and cleaning bodies this season and watching them being taken away to somewhere mysterious. Then she gets shown the hall of faces. It's clear even on the show, that the hall of faces is used by the FM to change appearances and complete missions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 21:02:16 GMT
The show hasn't really established the HoBaW mythos, though. Why does Catelyn have to have died in the HoBaW for Arya to wear her face on the show? Arya is very much still alive and Jaqen/The Waif wore her face (albeit very briefly) in the season 5 finale. If they want it to happen, it will happen. They've been trying to. Arya spent half her time watching people die/sacrifice themselves and cleaning bodies this season and watching them being taken away to somewhere mysterious. Then she gets shown the hall of faces. It's clear even on the show, that the hall of faces is used by the FM to change appearances and complete missions. Well, duh  But they haven't established exactly how the FM can use someone else's face, so there is a possibility for Arya to use Catelyn's if they want her to. |
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Also the fact that I'm excited to see the Tower of Joy. 
But they haven't established exactly how the FM can use someone else's face, so there is a possibility for Arya to use Catelyn's if they want her to.