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Post by Zadeth on Dec 21, 2015 19:25:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 19:54:41 GMT
Focusing on Theon was stupid tho.
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Post by Basil on Dec 21, 2015 20:05:01 GMT
I'm kinda ... okay with it.
I really hated that scene.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 20:16:42 GMT
I'm kinda ... okay with it. I really hated that scene. I've said time and time again that if D&D actually handled a rape story properly, the controversy wouldn't have been quite so deafening. Twice. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 20:19:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 23:00:57 GMT
Honestly, I don't think it's a bad thing for those guys to consider how they approach the topic of rape. As long as they're not just kowtowing to the more immature and reactionary feminists, it's a good thing to think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 4:25:15 GMT
Maybe we'll get more sassy characters like Talisa who insult their lord. "That's our Talisa!"  |
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Post by Basil on Dec 22, 2015 9:26:28 GMT
Maybe we'll get more sassy characters like Talisa who insult their lord. "That's our Talisa!" And who take away screen time from our faves.  |
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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2015 13:21:33 GMT
Talisa "attack, attack" bare ass Stark?  Seriously though what HBO needs is some training for their male executives |
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Post by Hound Dog on Dec 23, 2015 7:08:10 GMT
Am I a bad person if the scene didn't upset me in any way? Horrible things happen to all characters on this show; it's par for the course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 7:18:00 GMT
Am I a bad person if the scene didn't upset me in any way? Horrible things happen to all characters on this show; it's par for the course. The scene certainly bothered me, but not in a "burn D&D!" sort of way. It was handled much more tastefully than in the books. I think people were pissed that it was Sansa instead of Jeyne so they turned it into a feminist issue. The director did not intend for you to feel more for Theon in that situation than Sansa, and I guarantee not a single viewer felt that way. The funny thing is that Brienne is a great example of a female character relegated to being a plot device this season, but that doesn't have the same click-bait appeal when you can throw the word rape in your headline. Sexual violence in fiction obviously makes a lot of people uncomfortable but George has taken the same criticisms for the book. I keep seeing stuff about how Sansa has suffered enough, and that logic doesn't cut it in the show or the books. |
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Post by Hound Dog on Dec 23, 2015 7:33:12 GMT
Am I a bad person if the scene didn't upset me in any way? Horrible things happen to all characters on this show; it's par for the course. The scene certainly bothered me, but not in a "burn D&D!" sort of way. It was handled much more tastefully than in the books. I think people were pissed that it was Sansa instead of Jeyne so they turned it into a feminist issue. The director did not intend for you to feel more for Theon in that situation than Sansa, and I guarantee not a single viewer felt that way. I should revise that to clarify that it's not like I didn't care *at all.* Rather, I just didn't think it was any worse than what had happened to many other characters on the show. As to the camera focusing on Theon -- I had assumed part of the reason was to avoid showing a more graphic rape scene because Sophie was barely legal and Sansa was a virgin. Eh, can't please all the viewers all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 1:09:20 GMT
i thought the scene itself was done well, as well as the preceding wedding by the heart tree.
My anger more comes from the fact it was sansa in the first place.
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 26, 2015 20:10:13 GMT
I don't see how focusing on Theon was a problem. Would they rather see the act of rape itself? I wouldn't. No one felt worse for Theon in that scene than they did Sansa. It didn't take anything away from her at all. What it DID do was make it a tastefully done scene because it removed any chance of titillation.
I don't like that Sansa is in this story either, and I think it's a good thing that we're talking about the way rape is being portrayed on TV, but I feel like this got really blown out of proportion due to a bunch of SJW's that wouldn't give a shit if this was Jeyne Poole.
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Post by kingeomer on Dec 27, 2015 1:58:52 GMT
I don't see how focusing on Theon was a problem. Would they rather see the act of rape itself? I wouldn't. No one felt worse for Theon in that scene than they did Sansa. It didn't take anything away from her at all. What it DID do was make it a tastefully done scene because it removed any chance of titillation.
I don't like that Sansa is in this story either, and I think it's a good thing that we're talking about the way rape is being portrayed on TV, but I feel like this got really blown out of proportion due to a bunch of SJW's that wouldn't give a shit if this was Jeyne Poole. I especially agree with the bolded here. The show definitely wanted to make the point that there was nothing titillating about this scene. It was horrifying and I took Theon in the scene as mirroring how the audience was feeling. I know I felt that way for Sansa. I did not like that Sansa was in the story myself, mainly for the plot wrangling it took to get her there that made no sense to me. I also agree, if this controversy does cause televisions shows to rethink how they portray rape and it's aftermath, then that is not such a bad thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 12:58:12 GMT
Shitty writing was the main problem in S5 and I'm not sure if they can fix some of the story lines.. they realised their mistakes too late:lol2:
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Post by Dragon in the North on Jan 5, 2016 0:45:40 GMT
Shitty writing was the main problem in S5 and I'm not sure if they can fix some of the story lines.. they realised their mistakes too late:lol2: Their "shitty" writing earned them an emmy for best drama, so mistake isn't the word I would use. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 3:07:46 GMT
Shitty writing was the main problem in S5 and I'm not sure if they can fix some of the story lines.. they realised their mistakes too late:lol2: Their "shitty" writing earned them an emmy for best drama, so mistake isn't the word I would use. I was quite surprised when they won an Emmy for S5 considering all the negative feedback leading up to then, but honestly the award was long overdue so looking at the show as a whole in its 5 Seasons, they deserved it. I will say though that if you forget Sansa's rape, Dorne, and the way Stannis was handled in the last 2 episodes, it still was a very good season for me at least. Yes there could be other elements to criticize, but S6 is looking to be really good so far so you know what, I'm one of the few that can forgive the writers for the mistakes they made in S5. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 3:18:22 GMT
Their "shitty" writing earned them an emmy for best drama, so mistake isn't the word I would use. I was quite surprised when they won an Emmy for S5 considering all the negative feedback leading up to then, but honestly the award was long overdue so looking at the show as a whole in its 5 Seasons, they deserved it. I will say though that if you forget Sansa's rape, Dorne, and the way Stannis was handled in the last 2 episodes, it still was a very good season for me at least. Yes there could be other elements to criticize, but S6 is looking to be really good so far so you know what, I'm one of the few that can forgive the writers for the mistakes they made in S5. Of those I only see Dorne as a mistake.  And one with minute screentime so easily forgiven. |
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Post by Dragon in the North on Jan 5, 2016 4:37:54 GMT
Their "shitty" writing earned them an emmy for best drama, so mistake isn't the word I would use. I was quite surprised when they won an Emmy for S5 considering all the negative feedback leading up to then, but honestly the award was long overdue so looking at the show as a whole in its 5 Seasons, they deserved it. I will say though that if you forget Sansa's rape, Dorne, and the way Stannis was handled in the last 2 episodes, it still was a very good season for me at least. Yes there could be other elements to criticize, but S6 is looking to be really good so far so you know what, I'm one of the few that can forgive the writers for the mistakes they made in S5. I thought season 5 was the weakest season, but I still enjoyed it. I would have preferred if they won the emmy for one of the seasons that came before it. I just find it out when people say that D&D know they've screwed up and made a mistake when everything, from critical reception to viewer ratings to awards, should tell them the exact opposite. |
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And one with minute screentime so easily forgiven.