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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 11:18:08 GMT
Come on. Don't make this argument when we even had the "bad pussy" this season. There's no correlation between a bad double entendre and the Walk of Shame that I can see. One was a poorly-conceived bit of comic relief the other was a huge, powerful scene.
That's like saying I shouldn't take AFFC seriously because it has a character named Shitmouth in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:20:34 GMT
There's no correlation between a bad double entendre and the Walk of Shame that I can see. One was a poorly-conceived bit of comic relief the other was a huge, powerful scene.
That's like saying I shouldn't take AFFC seriously because it has a character named Shitmouth in it.
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 11:22:53 GMT
The superficiality of the producers is the missing link you don't see. Or that I disagree with you about. Sure, I mean you loved that Tyene scene. But unlike Tyene Cersei is supposed to be losing even her looks at that point of the story. But why am I surprised that they didn't get a detail right when they cannot even get the whole picture right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:26:18 GMT
Or that I disagree with you about. Sure, I mean you loved that Tyene scene. The one in 507? Yes. Well, love is a strong word but I liked it quite a bit. The line in 510 on the other hand, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Let's not let anyone assume that. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 11:30:00 GMT
Sure, I mean you loved that Tyene scene. The one in 507? Yes. Well, love is a strong word but I liked it quite a bit. The line in 510 on the other hand, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Let's not let anyone assume that. At least it was funny  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:30:14 GMT
Comparing Cersei's walk to a line of silly and humorous dialogue (that was by the way completely in character with the people involved) and then extracting from that that the show has become superficial seems a bit strange to me, to be honest. Cersei's walk was a monumental scene with so much going on that was not in any way superficially written, played or directed. I don't see how Cersei's attractive body takes away from that. The scene even emphasized the fact how disgusting it is to ignore her humiliation and pain and instead admiring and lusting after her body by having Pycelle looking lustfully at Cersei's breasts.
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Post by Enid on Jun 18, 2015 11:36:06 GMT
The Walk of Shame was humiliating and degrading, IMO it doesn't matter if they use someone with a perfect body or not, being attractive doesn't lessen the impact of the scene. Nothing in that sequence is sexy, on the contrary, it's designed to make the audience see how terrible the walk is and how no one deserves that kind of treatment. If there are assholes in the audience who get excited watching something that is portrayed as degrading is not the show's fault. Hell, the same happened with Sansa's rape, some assholes wanted to see it on screen because they found it exciting despite the fact that the show portrayed it as something terrible.
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 11:49:36 GMT
I didn't know so many people don't miss the thing from the books with Cersei ruining her own beauty which was something so important to her and the mockery of that added a lot to the WoS shame especially to someone as arrogant and self-obsessed as Cersei.
Personally I loved that bit. In the show the walk was just about her going to Tommen.
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Post by Basil on Jun 18, 2015 12:25:51 GMT
Personally, the only thing that took a bit away from that scene for me wasn't so much the fact, that Cersei seems to have the body of a 20-years-old Victoria's Secret model. I was a bit disappointed, that she didn't went into the Walk of Shame with the same amount of dignity and pride she had in the books. In the novel, she believes her beauty is unearthly, she's a proud lioness and these are just unworthy peasants. She takes off her robes herself in an almost seductive way. It is not until she has actually walked a bit, with all the insults and violence around her, that she finally breaks. In the show, she seems calm in the beginning, but also shy and distraught - I didn't get the feeling, that she was too proud to concern herself with the opinions of peasants.
I don't know, I think they could have used that aspect of Cersei's personality a little bit better, but other than that, the scene was really good and I think Lena Headey was pretty amazing.
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 12:34:43 GMT
Personally, the only thing that took a bit away from that scene for me wasn't so much the fact, that Cersei seems to have the body of a 20-years-old Victoria's Secret model. I was a bit disappointed, that she didn't went into the Walk of Shame with the same amount of dignity and pride she had in the books. In the novel, she believes her beauty is unearthly, she's a pride lioness and these are just unworthy peasants. She takes off her robes herself in an almost seductive way. It is not until she has actually walked a bit, with all the insults and violence around her, that she finally breaks. In the show, she seems calm in the beginning, but also shy and distraught - I didn't get the feeling, that she was too pride to concern herself with the opinions of peasants. I don't know, I think they could have used that aspect of Cersei's personality a little bit better, but other than that, the scene was really good and I think Lena Headey was pretty amazing. The only vibe I got in the show was 'let's get it over with because I love my son so much oh I'm such a devoted mother' |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 13:09:13 GMT
The Walk of Shame was humiliating and degrading, IMO it doesn't matter if they use someone with a perfect body or not, being attractive doesn't lessen the impact of the scene. Nothing in that sequence is sexy, on the contrary, it's designed to make the audience see how terrible the walk is and how no one deserves that kind of treatment. If there are assholes in the audience who get excited watching something that is portrayed as degrading is not the show's fault. Hell, the same happened with Sansa's rape, some assholes wanted to see it on screen because they found it exciting despite the fact that the show portrayed it as something terrible. Actually I'd say at least book Cersei deserved it. |
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Post by breakfest on Jun 18, 2015 13:44:07 GMT
For a minute there I forgot this forum ever broke away from westeros.org
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 13:49:41 GMT
For a minute there I forgot this forum ever broke away from westeros.org :lol: |
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 15:51:33 GMT
For a minute there I forgot this forum ever broke away from westeros.org Right because one has the obligation to adore the show? They killed one of my favorite characters and didn't feature another. Forgive me for expressing my feelings. |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 18, 2015 16:04:43 GMT
Personally, the only thing that took a bit away from that scene for me wasn't so much the fact, that Cersei seems to have the body of a 20-years-old Victoria's Secret model. I was a bit disappointed, that she didn't went into the Walk of Shame with the same amount of dignity and pride she had in the books. In the novel, she believes her beauty is unearthly, she's a proud lioness and these are just unworthy peasants. She takes off her robes herself in an almost seductive way. It is not until she has actually walked a bit, with all the insults and violence around her, that she finally breaks. In the show, she seems calm in the beginning, but also shy and distraught - I didn't get the feeling, that she was too proud to concern herself with the opinions of peasants. I don't know, I think they could have used that aspect of Cersei's personality a little bit better, but other than that, the scene was really good and I think Lena Headey was pretty amazing. I think they could've too. The GA despises Cersei already, but they left out a lot of what makes her so bad in the novels. And I absolutely agree with the body image thing. Cersei mused about that more than once in AFFC. She didn't feel self conscious right away, and when she did earlier, before her walk, she just drank it away. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 16:05:44 GMT
Personally, the only thing that took a bit away from that scene for me wasn't so much the fact, that Cersei seems to have the body of a 20-years-old Victoria's Secret model. I was a bit disappointed, that she didn't went into the Walk of Shame with the same amount of dignity and pride she had in the books. In the novel, she believes her beauty is unearthly, she's a proud lioness and these are just unworthy peasants. She takes off her robes herself in an almost seductive way. It is not until she has actually walked a bit, with all the insults and violence around her, that she finally breaks. In the show, she seems calm in the beginning, but also shy and distraught - I didn't get the feeling, that she was too proud to concern herself with the opinions of peasants. I don't know, I think they could have used that aspect of Cersei's personality a little bit better, but other than that, the scene was really good and I think Lena Headey was pretty amazing. I think they could've too. The GA despises Cersei already, but they left out a lot of what makes her so bad in the novels. And I absolutely agree with the body image thing. Cersei mused about that more than once in AFFC. She didn't feel self conscious right away, and when she did earlier, before her walk, she just drank it away. I'm still surprised they didn't feature Qyburn experiments more |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 16:20:00 GMT
For a minute there I forgot this forum ever broke away from westeros.org Right because one has the obligation to adore the show? They killed one of my favorite characters and didn't feature another. Forgive me for expressing my feelings. Although I have a different opinion on season 5, I still agree with you that everybody should have the right to express whatever he or she thinks and feels about the show. Besides, this was still a normal, civil discussion. That's more than can be said about every thread on that other forum.  |
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Post by breakfest on Jun 18, 2015 16:46:18 GMT
For a minute there I forgot this forum ever broke away from westeros.org Right because one has the obligation to adore the show? They killed one of my favorite characters and didn't feature another. Forgive me for expressing my feelings. Yeah sorry, that was a bit cheeky and I should have shown more restraint than to make a dig like that. You're allowed to dislike, even hate the show of course, I have no problems with that. Some of the complaints, though, seem like searching for things to moan about out of spite for the way other storylines have been treated. I mean Cersei's attractiveness is just so far from being relevant in the scene and for her character, it's one of the many book aspects that physically can't all be incorporated but more so just don't matter for the story being told. Ultimately the scene was about stripping away her power in a very physical way and shaming her for all to see. Taking away her dignity, showing her being broken down by a traumatic experience only to see a glimpse of even more, potentially terrifying, resolve partially fuelled by the prospect of seeing Tommen again, later through the prospect of avenging her humiliation with an 8ft reanimated kingsguard. There's a lot going on in the scene, which was executed brilliantly by almost all accounts, that how her body looks during it is just so peripheral to the many other interesting things as to not matter. There's so much to appreciate and I don't know why you feel the need to bring up such a peripheral point in order to downplay the rest of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 16:53:38 GMT
I have to say they did a brilliant job on the Walk of Shame. That's a really tough act to put together and pull off well IMO and everyone did a fantastic job ... the supporting cast (Shame nun and sparrows), the extras (brutal KL jerks!), the body double (that takes ovaries of steel!), and Lena for pulling out all the stops on the wide range of emotions necessary to convey what was happening. I disagree with those who thought they should have shown more of her internal PoV stuff from the books. Once again, it's impossible to do that on screen guys. I've seen this complaint before and it's not really reasonable. How do you convey what a person is thinking internally without some sort of cheesy external monologue? Lena held her head high and looked haughty at the start of the walk ... then slowly, as she progressed through the street, her pride and confidence began to slip away and by the end she was nearly collapsing and completely ruined. This is pretty accurate to exactly how it was described in the books. Honestly, I'm surprised at all the criticism of this scene. I think folks are mis-attributing their angst for other scenes and disappointments and now that the season is over, I fear we're going to nitpick the death out of the finale. Let's not go that way.  |
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2015 16:59:10 GMT
Right because one has the obligation to adore the show? They killed one of my favorite characters and didn't feature another. Forgive me for expressing my feelings. Yeah sorry, that was a bit cheeky and I should have shown more restraint than to make a dig like that. You're allowed to dislike, even hate the show of course, I have no problems with that. Some of the complaints, though, seem like searching for things to moan about out of spite for the way other storylines have been treated. I mean Cersei's attractiveness is just so far from being relevant in the scene and for her character, it's one of the many book aspects that physically can't all be incorporated but more so just don't matter for the story being told. Ultimately the scene was about stripping away her power in a very physical way and shaming her for all to see. Taking away her dignity, showing her being broken down by a traumatic experience only to see a glimpse of even more, potentially terrifying, resolve partially fuelled by the prospect of seeing Tommen again, later through the prospect of avenging her humiliation with an 8ft reanimated kingsguard. There's a lot going on in the scene, which was executed brilliantly by almost all accounts, that how her body looks during it is just so peripheral to the many other interesting things as to not matter. There's so much to appreciate and I don't know why you feel the need to bring up such a peripheral point in order to downplay the rest of it. I have to say they did a brilliant job on the Walk of Shame. That's a really tough act to put together and pull off well IMO and everyone did a fantastic job ... the supporting cast (Shame nun and sparrows), the extras (brutal KL jerks!), the body double (that takes ovaries of steel!), and Lena for pulling out all the stops on the wide range of emotions necessary to convey what was happening. I disagree with those who thought they should have shown more of her internal PoV stuff from the books. Once again, it's impossible to do that on screen guys. I've seen this complaint before and it's not really reasonable. How do you convey what a person is thinking internally without some sort of cheesy external monologue? Lena held her head high and looked haughty at the start of the walk ... then slowly, as she progressed through the street, her pride and confidence began to slip away and by the end she was nearly collapsing and completely ruined. This is pretty accurate to exactly how it was described in the books. Honestly, I'm surprised at all the criticism of this scene. I think folks are mis-attributing their angst for other scenes and disappointments and now that the season is over, I fear we're going to nitpick the death out of the finale. Let's not go that way. Fine I'm just gonna keep quiet and let you all wash the whole site over with your love for the show. God forbid I speak my mind. |
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