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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 20:04:33 GMT
Maybe it's Ramsay who's hanging from the wall in the tower. I think that Roose sees sending Ramsay out as a win win situation. If he prevails, he kills Stannis or lures him into a trap, if he dies, so what? He's going to get a son soon, Ramsay is too unpredictable and clearly uncontrollable.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 21:05:37 GMT
Hopefully because the 3 of them had so much fun working together on season 5
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Post by Admin on May 29, 2015 16:33:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 17:30:32 GMT
Good. I hope that no one starts to argue with me about the Sansa rape scene after this post. And please note that I am not talking about the people on this forum, but about people in general on Internet. I still don't get the outrage after that particular scene at the end of 5x06. They had their reasons. Was it necessary for Sansa to be at Winterfell?Not at all. That storyline's idea doesn't make sense, because it takes Sansa under Ramsay's sadistic nose and takes away her own TWoW arc. Was it necessary to happen after they decided to have Sansa at Winterfell, in replacement of Jeyne Poole? Yes. While I didn't like that they raped Sansa, I don't understand why it is such a problem. When they decided that Sansa Stark would marry Ramsay Bolton, they couldn't have Ramsay not abusing her. It's all part of Ramsay's character. He flays people. He castrates people. He rapes people. He is horrible. So why can't he rape his wife in the show, just like in the books? Was there any way D&D could have Ramsay not to rape Sansa?
Yes and no. If they had gotten Sansa there by episode 5 or 6 and had own scenes with Roose, Ramsay and Reek, it could've been possible. That way the wedding could've happened in episode 10 and Theon had escaped with her before it. But that isn't just possible. The arc of Boltons and Theon, the Winterfell story arc, it can not happen without the wedding night between Ramsay and his wife. If they had Ramsay not to marry Sansa before she escapes, it would have ruined the whole Winterfell plot. There would be more people whining (me included) if that happened. Couldn't they just have Ramsay consummate the marriage with Sansa, but not rape her?
No. For that to happen, the show would have to alter Ramsay's whole characterization from Seasons 3 and 4. Wait, they have done that with Jaime in 4x03. And after that scene both Jaime and Cersei forgot it. But still, that was not possible. Would there be so big outrage if the girl Ramsay had raped was Jeyne Poole, pretending to be Arya Stark?
No. There would propably be some people disgusted by it, but that happens also in the books. In the books the wedding night is much more horrific. It includes Reek, dogs and other kinds of sick things. This only included rape, which is also very bad thing, but it is much more ok to have it on screen, than people getting raped by hunting dogs. Of course there would be disgust because of Ramsay's wedding night even then, but it would be because of rape, and that's normal. It happens every time someone get's raped on TV. --------------------------------So, in few words: After D&D decided that Sansa would marry Ramsay, it was irreversible that Ramsay would rape and abuse her. Unless they had taken away his characteristics. Also there wouldn't be this outrage if the girl raped was Jeyne. But I am still not a fan of that scene and I wish they had had fArya instead of Sansa, but this outrage going on is just hilarious. Also, after I heard Sansa would marry Ramsay, I have been preparing for that scene to happen, so it wasn't a shock for me.
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Post by day dreamer on May 29, 2015 17:34:14 GMT
Stephen socializes?
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Post by Admin on May 29, 2015 17:38:31 GMT
Stephen socializes? I think they got him drunk
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Post by day dreamer on May 29, 2015 17:41:43 GMT
Good. I hope that no one starts to argue with me about the Sansa rape scene after this post. And please note that I am not talking about the people on this forum, but about people in general on Internet. I still don't get the outrage after that particular scene at the end of 5x06. They had their reasons. Was it necessary for Sansa to be at Winterfell?Not at all. That storyline's idea doesn't make sense, because it takes Sansa under Ramsay's sadistic nose and takes away her own TWoW arc. Was it necessary to happen after they decided to have Sansa at Winterfell, in replacement of Jeyne Poole? Yes. While I didn't like that they raped Sansa, I don't understand why it is such a problem. When they decided that Sansa Stark would marry Ramsay Bolton, they couldn't have Ramsay not abusing her. It's all part of Ramsay's character. He flays people. He castrates people. He rapes people. He is horrible. So why can't he rape his wife in the show, just like in the books? Was there any way D&D could have Ramsay not to rape Sansa?
Yes and no. If they had gotten Sansa there by episode 5 or 6 and had own scenes with Roose, Ramsay and Reek, it could've been possible. That way the wedding could've happened in episode 10 and Theon had escaped with her before it. But that isn't just possible. The arc of Boltons and Theon, the Winterfell story arc, it can not happen without the wedding night between Ramsay and his wife. If they had Ramsay not to marry Sansa before she escapes, it would have ruined the whole Winterfell plot. There would be more people whining (me included) if that happened. Couldn't they just have Ramsay consummate the marriage with Sansa, but not rape her?
No. For that to happen, the show would have to alter Ramsay's whole characterization from Seasons 3 and 4. Wait, they have done that with Jaime in 4x03. And after that scene both Jaime and Cersei forgot it. But still, that was not possible. Would there be so big outrage if the girl Ramsay had raped was Jeyne Poole, pretending to be Arya Stark?
No. There would propably be some people disgusted by it, but that happens also in the books. In the books the wedding night is much more horrific. It includes Reek, dogs and other kinds of sick things. This only included rape, which is also very bad thing, but it is much more ok to have it on screen, than people getting raped by hunting dogs. Of course there would be disgust because of Ramsay's wedding night even then, but it would be because of rape, and that's normal. It happens every time someone get's raped on TV. --------------------------------So, in few words: After D&D decided that Sansa would marry Ramsay, it was irreversible that Ramsay would rape and abuse her. Unless they had taken away his characteristics. Also there wouldn't be this outrage if the girl raped was Jeyne. But I am still not a fan of that scene and I wish they had had fArya instead of Sansa, but this outrage going on is just hilarious. Also, after I heard Sansa would marry Ramsay, I have been preparing for that scene to happen, so it wasn't a shock for me. I absolutely agree with this. It also bothers me that a lot of the people who jumped on that bandwagon were not frequent Thrones watchers and just thought they should have a say because feminism. At least all of us here knew this was coming. And I also agree that if Jeyne had been created, there wouldn't have been a big of an outcry.
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Post by Enid on Jun 2, 2015 12:50:44 GMT
The hate towards the Sansa storyline continues. Apparently her confrontation with Theon in "Hardhome" was unrealistic and OOC for her. IMO Sansa had plenty of reasons to be pissed at Theon, especially before his confession.
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 2, 2015 13:16:46 GMT
The hate towards the Sansa storyline continues. Apparently her confrontation with Theon in "Hardhome" was unrealistic and OOC for her. IMO Sansa had plenty of reasons to be pissed at Theon, especially before his confession. I thought the scene was perfect. I filled up a little actually. Theon has grown on me on some much since the beginning of the story. And the actor Alfie Allen is just terrific.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 2, 2015 15:00:22 GMT
The hate towards the Sansa storyline continues. Apparently her confrontation with Theon in "Hardhome" was unrealistic and OOC for her. IMO Sansa had plenty of reasons to be pissed at Theon, especially before his confession. In what world was that scene OOC? She has plenty of reasons to be pissed off and the way she confronted him (sitting at the table, fully dressed up and glaring at him) was perfect for her.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 2, 2015 17:08:55 GMT
The hate towards the Sansa storyline continues. Apparently her confrontation with Theon in "Hardhome" was unrealistic and OOC for her. IMO Sansa had plenty of reasons to be pissed at Theon, especially before his confession. How could that have been OOC? Let's see...Theon just betrayed her by telling Ramsey her plans and the result is the old woman was flayed. Um, he betrayed her brother Robb, took her family home and she was led to believe that he murdered her two younger brothers. I'm sorry, but was Sansa supposed to great him with flowers and balloons at this point? I thought that scene was LONG overdue.
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Post by Enid on Jun 2, 2015 17:18:59 GMT
Apparently some people think Sansa would never expose her anger that way, and that she has recovered too quickly from Ramsay's nocturnal visits. I guess she should have been in bed sobbing and showing the bruises instead of putting herself together and showing strength. Maybe even beg Theon for help again, even after he betrayed her.
Which to me, makes zero sense. I think people have decided to hate that storyline no matter what happens, and look for ways to complain about it.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 2, 2015 19:56:39 GMT
Apparently some people think Sansa would never expose her anger that way, and that she has recovered too quickly from Ramsay's nocturnal visits. I guess she should have been in bed sobbing and showing the bruises instead of putting herself together and showing strength. Maybe even beg Theon for help again, even after he betrayed her. Which to me, makes zero sense. I think people have decided to hate that storyline no matter what happens, and look for ways to complain about it. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I'll admit to not liking Sansa in Winterfell plot but having her sob over her lot in life after being married to Ramsey would make horrible viewing. I wish she was not raped in the show, but she was and she is married to Ramsey and that's that, what's done is done plot wise. Now it's time to see how it plays out. I'd rather see Sansa working on an angle to get what she wants (out of Winterfell and to some place safe until she can take it back, or in Winterfell and drive the Boltons out)...I like the fact that while the show is showing her marriage to Ramsey is far from a good one, she's not given into despair and she's got fight in her. I would think it would be horribly OOC after what's happened to her and her family that Sansa is holding that anger in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 10:40:40 GMT
My personal crackpot is that they gave Sansa a pretty hideous storyline this season because she does have a happy ending and we will appreciate it more when it happens if she's happy less throughout the story.
I am content with this crackpot.
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