valyrianshadow
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 2, 2015 14:26:31 GMT
Maybe it was just me and I have to watch it again but did anyone else think Dany accepted Tyrion too easily? Hello my family killed yours but I killed my father so we're even. Okay advise me! Wouldn't you not trust someone that killed their own father even less? I mean yeah she doesn't fully trust him yet but seemed kinda weird. But again maybe on rewatch it'll be different. I'm guessing it had to be quick since Dany will be hauling ass out of there next week and she needs to have accepted him for him to be able to do whatever D&D want him to do while she's chillin' in the Dothraki Sea. True but in that case he could have gotten there earlier. Could have skipped some boat scenes or the carriage stuff with Varys or the slavery thing. But I guess they needed that for Jorah. Weird pacing with his stuff to me that's all. |
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Post by janicia on Jun 2, 2015 15:00:15 GMT
Maybe it was just me and I have to watch it again but did anyone else think Dany accepted Tyrion too easily? Hello my family killed yours but I killed my father so we're even. Okay advise me! Wouldn't you not trust someone that killed their own father even less? I mean yeah she doesn't fully trust him yet but seemed kinda weird. But again maybe on rewatch it'll be different. I think it was in character for Dany. She often trusts her gut on these kinds of things. She abruptly made the decisions to bring Dario, Missandei, and MMD into her entourage based on brief encounters. She made abrupt decisions to sack Astapor, trust the Yunkish crowd, crucify the Meerenese nobility, work with Hizdahr, walk into Drogo's funeral pyre, and chain the dragons, often not seeking council. The truth is that Tyrion is a great asset to Dany. He doesn't have much of an ulterior agenda - he isn't going to try to make himself king, he doesn't want to kill Dany, they share a lot of political ideals, and they share a lot of overlap as far as enemies go. I don't see anything wrong with Dany recognizing as much. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 2, 2015 15:44:33 GMT
Maybe it was just me and I have to watch it again but did anyone else think Dany accepted Tyrion too easily? Hello my family killed yours but I killed my father so we're even. Okay advise me! Wouldn't you not trust someone that killed their own father even less? I mean yeah she doesn't fully trust him yet but seemed kinda weird. But again maybe on rewatch it'll be different. I think it was in character for Dany. She often trusts her gut on these kinds of things. She abruptly made the decisions to bring Dario, Missandei, and MMD into her entourage based on brief encounters. She made abrupt decisions to sack Astapor, trust the Yunkish crowd, crucify the Meerenese nobility, work with Hizdahr, walk into Drogo's funeral pyre, and chain the dragons, often not seeking council. The truth is that Tyrion is a great asset to Dany. He doesn't have much of an ulterior agenda - he isn't going to try to make himself king, he doesn't want to kill Dany, they share a lot of political ideals, and they share a lot of overlap as far as enemies go. I don't see anything wrong with Dany recognizing as much. Yeah that's true I guess never really noticed with those other people but because it's Tyrion I did. I always thought that was weird of her in the books too though because since the House of the Undying she's been waiting for people to betray her and she let's them in anyway. But she's doing the best she can. It's tough because it seems like she wants help sometimes but she also wants to make her own decisions with no help too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 17:15:16 GMT
janicia is right about Dany's overall hastiness in making decisions. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it gets her in trouble and ends up being a bad decision. I think she was written that way to portray her as a somewhat impetuous young woman with big ideals. As she grows and matures, she learns to weigh the options a little more, as she's been doing lately in listening to the advice of others. Unfortunately in Meereen she was surrounded by bad advisors (at least in the books) so it's such a relief to have a really good advisor there with her especially at the point she needs to extract herself from the mess she's gotten into with the harpies.
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Post by janicia on Jun 2, 2015 17:44:37 GMT
But in Dany's defense, it is hard to show a character listening to advice without making them look weak. Tywin and Olenna never ask for / listen to advice. They're the smartest people in the room so they don't need advice, just updated intelligence reports. And it is boring to show a character going through a methodical decision making process.
We have the impression that Tywin, Olenna, Roose, Tyrion, and Varys think things through most of the time rather than making snap decisions. But the thinking process happens offscreen. And even Tywin made at least a few abrupt risky decisions like rescuing Arya, declaring war on the Riverlands to get Tyrion back, appointing Tyrion as Hand, and appointing Oberyn as a judge for Tyrion's trial. Varys made the abrupt decision to help Jaime rescue Tyrion, and then to get on the boat with Tyrion. Littlefinger seems to always be making abrupt decisions.
Dany isn't an outlier in the series for having a cavalier approach to decision making. It isn't even clear that the gut decision is a terrible way to go - people can overwhelm themselves with options or listen to too much advice and end up doing nothing or picking a cleverly terrible course.
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Post by dany4eva on Jun 2, 2015 17:48:44 GMT
Maybe it was just me and I have to watch it again but did anyone else think Dany accepted Tyrion too easily? Hello my family killed yours but I killed my father so we're even. Okay advise me! Wouldn't you not trust someone that killed their own father even less? I mean yeah she doesn't fully trust him yet but seemed kinda weird. But again maybe on rewatch it'll be different. I think it was in character for Dany. She often trusts her gut on these kinds of things. She abruptly made the decisions to bring Dario, Missandei, and MMD into her entourage based on brief encounters. She made abrupt decisions to sack Astapor, trust the Yunkish crowd, crucify the Meerenese nobility, work with Hizdahr, walk into Drogo's funeral pyre, and chain the dragons, often not seeking council. The truth is that Tyrion is a great asset to Dany. He doesn't have much of an ulterior agenda - he isn't going to try to make himself king, he doesn't want to kill Dany, they share a lot of political ideals, and they share a lot of overlap as far as enemies go. I don't see anything wrong with Dany recognizing as much. Gosh I have come across like 4 of your comments today and they are all on point.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 18:20:49 GMT
But in Dany's defense, it is hard to show a character listening to advice without making them look weak. Tywin and Olenna never ask for / listen to advice. They're the smartest people in the room so they don't need advice, just updated intelligence reports. And it is boring to show a character going through a methodical decision making process. We have the impression that Tywin, Olenna, Roose, Tyrion, and Varys think things through most of the time rather than making snap decisions. But the thinking process happens offscreen. And even Tywin made at least a few abrupt risky decisions like rescuing Arya, declaring war on the Riverlands to get Tyrion back, appointing Tyrion as Hand, and appointing Oberyn as a judge for Tyrion's trial. Varys made the abrupt decision to help Jaime rescue Tyrion, and then to get on the boat with Tyrion. Littlefinger seems to always be making abrupt decisions. Dany isn't an outlier in the series for having a cavalier approach to decision making. It isn't even clear that the gut decision is a terrible way to go - people can overwhelm themselves with options or listen to too much advice and end up doing nothing or picking a cleverly terrible course.Right on! How do we know that she wouldn't have done worse by sparing the Masters a dragon BBQ or not executing that slave guy on her council (can't remember his name now) ... those were show choices, but even the impulse book choices she made could have went either way in regards to repercussions really. I've always liked Dany's impulsive decisions - it helps define her as a character instead of a clever, calculated ruler which wouldn't be nearly as interesting in my book. People criticize her but I think they're missing the point. It's what makes her story curious and keeps people guessing whether or not she'll actually make it to the throne or not. If she had been written as a perfect ruler always making perfect choices that got her what she wanted as she moved along - people would say it was contrived and boring. |
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Post by dany4eva on Jun 3, 2015 10:02:11 GMT
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