Tyrion-Dany Meet-Up

I saw this scene and an interesting paradox to Jon's scene. Even with Tyrion's initial advice, Dany still calls to destroy her enemies (the Wheel comment). Personally the scene made my skin crawl. Yet we see Jon, in spite of thousands of years of animosity, attempting to forget the loss of life and unite. It essentially boiled down to ignore the past and unify vs. live in the past and have that dictate the future type scenario. I won't go into Jon's scene here because that would divert the OP, but I thought it was an interesting comparison, and a purposeful one at that. Both characters were confronted with issues of their past enemies, yet only one saw the bigger picture. 


Those of you who are members on westeros probably know that I dislike Dany, and this scene gave me hope that she will ignore even the best advice and slowly trickle into an antagonist role. It seems that Dany will take Tyrion's advice, so long as it fits her plans and pushes them forward otherwise she will not. Obviously he can persuade her, but at the moment it still seems as if she is bent on destruction regardless of what he says. 


What makes me curious is that if Dany continues down the Fire and Blood path, will Tyrion flee? He seemed rather perturbed by some of her responses.

Oh I agree. What I was more or less pointing at is that I don't see Dany taking his advice unless it fits her plan, even if it is destructive. If she does not heed to his words about finding common ground, it seems that he would become rather uncomfortable with her. Or maybe not. 

"Break the Wheel" - Yes I see that as well, but the way she says it suggests that she plans on eliminating (killing/executing the nobility) the houses and creating something of an absolute monarchy more common with Louis XIV's France. 

I think you completely misunderstood the wheel speech. It was not Dany stating her intent to kill her enemies, and even if it were, so what? Jon's situation is entirely different wherein he has no choice but to forge a bond with a previous enemy in order to defeat a common one. Jon would absolutely not be so amiable with the wildlings if the situation wasn't so desperate. The wheel speech was Dany stating her intent to destroy the system, not the people in it, because the system is detrimental to the commonfolk, who are the people she has been fighting for since the day she sacked Astapor.

I think you're viewing this scene from quite a biased perspective, which has coloured your interpretation a little for the worse.

As are you. 

In that scene, you have to take the visual elements in as well. I don't really have time right now to lay out a lengthy argument, but the tone is significantly different from Jon's tone among other nuanced differences in their approach. 

Imagery is everything. We have two scenes talking about uniting with people who were enemies of the past. Jon's tone suggests a willing unification for the good of all. Dany's suggest something completely different. I think one folly that fans make is assuming D&D are idiots before their entire "masterpiece" is laid out. No the situations are not that different. We have one person who is fighting for everyone, and another who is fighting for herself even if taking the commoners along with her. Tyrion tells her that she needs the leaders of Westeros, but then she immediately reverts to her wheel speech. Jon is informed about deaths on both sides, and he still calls for peace for the greater good. Jon plans on living peacefully after i.e. farm the gift. Unless you are suggesting that after the war Westerosi soldiers surround the wildlings and butcher them? Dany intends on crushing the noble houses, and there is very little in the books or show to suggest otherwise. The point is, we have two individuals whom are approaching similar situations in very different ways. 

As far as blaming EC, maybe not. They have the entire story and know how Dany turns out. We do not. They know more about Dany's arc than we do, and that may be a tough pill for some to swallow. I am not arguing that she becomes psycho, but that doesn't mean she becomes the savior of Westeros as well. But before this turns into a bashing thread, let's just leave it. It is clear you like her character and I do not; we both are reading her character in two different ways. 

Maybe not in the books, but I definitely think he is in the show. He's the only real named Meereenese character. Also, he refused to look weak in front of the other great masters when Dany was having her dragons chow on that guy. I suppose it's possible that there is no one SotH leader, but I really think he is.

Wonder how much Daario will trust Tyrion, and how soon?  [Drogon is coming!]  I think Missandei and Greyworm will begin to trust Tyrion, simply because Dany does (or I assume is already beginning to), but they don't have that much power.  I guess Greyworm actually does, but I think he's much less likely to act without a clear directive from Dany, unless he and Daario have become more of a team that I thought.  I've kinda figured that it was each one's loyalty to Dany that made them close, not primarily a closeness with each other as individuals.

Maybe Dany won't be gone that long (?) if they cut out the whole Dothraki Sea thing.

I don't know that we'll see it, but presumably Tyrion will have to do some fast talking to convince Daario and Greyworm to keep him around.  

Maybe if they're released after Dany leaves, but he's in the Pit with her so I don't think he will.