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Post by freypies on Jun 1, 2015 16:08:27 GMT
The big question now is: how are we supposed to give a fuck about anything else after watching what the WW can do??!!!! I think that the Dany scene in the next episode will provide us with exactly the hope that many need. Walkers are powerful, but the dragons are just magnificent, and seeing Drogon being controlled by Dany will seriously be one of those scenes that hypes people up about the fact that all is not lost for the "good guys". |
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Post by mattpeto on Jun 1, 2015 16:10:00 GMT
The big question now is: how are we supposed to give a fuck about anything else after watching what the WW can do??!!!! I totally agree. Really, does the IT matter at all now? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 16:19:59 GMT
Varamyr's defining characteristic is that he's a skin-changer. I have a hard time believing you bother calling a character you want to cast that name without the intention of him keeping that characteristic. They may have just changed their mind but it's the first time that I'm aware of that a character on a casting call didn't end up appearing in the show. Hey Konrad, looks like you were right about them swapping out Varamyr for Karsi. This interview with the director confirms that Karsi was originally supposed to be a man but they changed their minds. That also explains why a role as significant as Karsi was never a part of any S5 casting call, it was the Varamyr one listed right from the very first one. Good deduction skills. www.mtv.com/news/2173859/game-of-thrones-hardhome-interview/I don't understand how a casting call for a man ends up with an actress. I guess she auditioned for a different part, but they liked her enough to rewrite Varamyr's part. A bit disappointing that Varamyr wasn't used to give some more info on warging, I also kind of wanted to see his pet boar. I suppose they just wanted to give homage and use a book character's name, but if that was their goal, why not name her Varamelle? |
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Post by janicia on Jun 1, 2015 16:23:17 GMT
Also funny that Ramsay offers up essentially the same battle plan that Yara did on her attack on the Dreadfort. I guess he wanted to try to be on the other side of the coin in that type of confrontation. Ramsay had so much fun the first time! Of course he'd want to go again! I don't see Ramsay's basic plan as fundamentally unsound. He's just going to try to light some of Stannis' stuff on fire, right? Maybe scare some of the men horses into running off. Armies on the move tend to be vulnerable to that kind of guerrilla harassment, and it would also dampen the morale of Stannis' troups and worsen their supply problems. Ramsay has already established that he has high risk tolerance and a need to show himself to be useful. Or do you think he'll try to assassinate Stannis? That is a riskier mission, but far from the craziest thing Ramsay has done. Probably complicated by the fact that he doesn't know what Stannis looks like, but he can probably figure that out from Stannis' big tent. |
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 1, 2015 16:23:58 GMT
I thought it was really funny that we never even saw that shot of Jon looking up that @jackbauer24 loved so much  But I'm totally fine with it because he was looking up at motherfucking Wun Wun which was waaaay better to see. There were a few other trailer shots that weren't used, like the one of Loboda and the one with multiple people approaching the gate I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 16:23:59 GMT
The big question now is: how are we supposed to give a fuck about anything else after watching what the WW can do??!!!! I think that the Dany scene in the next episode will provide us with exactly the hope that many need. Walkers are powerful, but the dragons are just magnificent, and seeing Drogon being controlled by Dany will seriously be one of those scenes that hypes people up about the fact that all is not lost for the "good guys". Maybe that's why Daznak is after Hardhome otherwise 508 would have been the "Episode 9". |
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Post by janicia on Jun 1, 2015 16:40:28 GMT
Hey Konrad, looks like you were right about them swapping out Varamyr for Karsi. This interview with the director confirms that Karsi was originally supposed to be a man but they changed their minds. That also explains why a role as significant as Karsi was never a part of any S5 casting call, it was the Varamyr one listed right from the very first one. Good deduction skills. www.mtv.com/news/2173859/game-of-thrones-hardhome-interview/I don't understand how a casting call for a man ends up with an actress. I guess she auditioned for a different part, but they liked her enough to rewrite Varamyr's part. A bit disappointing that Varamyr wasn't used to give some more info on warging, I also kind of wanted to see his pet boar. I suppose they just wanted to give homage and use a book character's name, but if that was their goal, why not name her Varamelle? The Karsi stuff worked really well. Varamyr could had a cool fight scene, but Karsi is arguably the best the show has ever done for a one episode character. They probably made the right choice in going with her. Her name barely matters, it was hardly emphasized. giving the Varamyr homage would have been weird since the character had absolutely nothing to do with Varamyr. I'm really wondering if Jon is ever going to warg. It has been broadly assumed that he will, but the show hasn't laid any groundwork for that this season. They've been carefully building up to the big Olly moments, but completely mum on Jon developing any warging ability. My guess is that whatever happens with Jon at the end of the season will be received pretty negatively on account of defying expectations. One way for Melissandre to end up back at the Wall would be for her to see Hardhome in her fire and decide that the Wall is more important than Stannis v. Winterfell. But another option is for Stannis to banish her over Shireen. The Stannis voice over in the premier was intended to imply that Stannis had decided to to with a "ends justify the means" approach, but I bet that was intentionally deceptive. |
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Post by janicia on Jun 1, 2015 16:44:11 GMT
I started reading the review but then Andy said that Dany could throw her dragons at the end of the sea for all the good they'll do in the apocalypse. And then I faced palmed when he mentioned how useful Valyrian Steel is. In Greenwald's defense, that one White Walker did seem to be fire-proof. I bet it isn't dragonfire-proof, but we don't know either way. |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 1, 2015 16:44:52 GMT
The big question now is: how are we supposed to give a fuck about anything else after watching what the WW can do??!!!! I totally agree. Really, does the IT matter at all now? It matters in that the people in charge are the ones who are supposed to be finding a way to fight this massive threat to humanity...and yet they are completely ignoring it for petty feuds and squabbles. However, I disagree with LC Mormont...it absolutely matters who sits on the Iron Throne because if they had a better ruler, Westeros would have taken heed of the NW's warning about the White Walkers returning instead of pissing around with a civil war. |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 1, 2015 16:45:58 GMT
I started reading the review but then Andy said that Dany could throw her dragons at the end of the sea for all the good they'll do in the apocalypse. And then I faced palmed when he mentioned how useful Valyrian Steel is. In Greenwald's defense, that one White Walker did seem to be fire-proof. I bet it isn't dragonfire-proof, but we don't know either way. Well, I don't know if he's 'fireproof' so much as 'he can control the weather enough to put the fires out'. If you watch that scene, you'll notice the cold mist killing the fire around him when he walks in. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 1, 2015 16:46:13 GMT
It sounds like Sapochnik made Hardhome what it was by fixing what was originally written and didn't work: I get the feeling that he read the original material and figured stuff didn't exactly work in the writing and characters and needed to be retooled. Whether it was D&D's suggestion to have Karsi or Sapochnik's, it sounded like he opened up the doors to question how things were put together to refine the material and make it into a much better sequence than was originally designed. Hats off to him. |
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 1, 2015 17:01:44 GMT
It sounds like Sapochnik made Hardhome what it was by fixing what was originally written and didn't work: I get the feeling that he read the original material and figured stuff didn't exactly work in the writing and characters and needed to be retooled. Whether it was D&D's suggestion to have Karsi or Sapochnik's, it sounded like he opened up the doors to question how things were put together to refine the material and make it into a much better sequence than was originally designed. Hats off to him. I would think that every director has this kind of interaction with the writers and it would be even more pronounced when dealing with a prolonged action scene such as this one. Neil Marshall had to map out much of the beats and structure of his big episodes as well. The writing would have all of the concepts and moments that they wanted to hit on during the scene. The director's job is to have the shots flow together seamlessly and maintain the geography and the tentpoles of the action sequence itself without losing the tone and themes the writers have established for the scene. That's exactly what he's describing here. I'm not sure how you read this as "D&D had a bunch of silly things happen and the director stepped in and fixed them all". |
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2015 17:06:36 GMT
Maybe Martin has timed that quote to make us think she's out when he knows fine well she's due to appear in 2 weeks and he just wants to maximise surprise  This is old news, though. Hibberd is recycling it. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 1, 2015 17:12:42 GMT
I'm not sure how you read that as "D&D had a bunch of silly things happen and the director stepped in and fixed them all."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:13:56 GMT
It's also interesting that Tyrion mentioned the events surrounding Dany's birth, i.e. The greatest storm Westeros has ever know. Wonder if that'll be important later. Yes! I never really understood that in the books either. I didn't think it was a big deal but they kept bringing it up. Stormborn as a nickname too. Wonder if it is important or just a random thing? Actually, I believe it is a big deal or it'll be important. If you look at the description of Dany's birth and of Drogon's birth, there is a similarity. here is the description of Drogon's birth: Now a description of Daenerys’ birth: The descriptions of their births are like two great forces of nature. They are both in a way earth shattering. Whatever Dany's destiny might be, she's definitely someone who will change the world. I mean, she's already started to change the world with her actions in Slaver's Bay. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:16:19 GMT
I don't understand how a casting call for a man ends up with an actress. I guess she auditioned for a different part, but they liked her enough to rewrite Varamyr's part. A bit disappointing that Varamyr wasn't used to give some more info on warging, I also kind of wanted to see his pet boar. I suppose they just wanted to give homage and use a book character's name, but if that was their goal, why not name her Varamelle? The Karsi stuff worked really well. Varamyr could had a cool fight scene, but Karsi is arguably the best the show has ever done for a one episode character. They probably made the right choice in going with her. Her name barely matters, it was hardly emphasized. giving the Varamyr homage would have been weird since the character had absolutely nothing to do with Varamyr. Don't get me wrong, I'm just spit-balling ideas here, with the casting call for Varamyr, that set up certain expectations of a Warging element in the Wall story line this year. I agree that Karsi was really great, and gave a face to the Wildlings while symbolizing their humanity. We had only met her 20 minutes earlier but I was really bummed to see her die. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:18:54 GMT
I'm not sure how you read that as "D&D had a bunch of silly things happen and the director stepped in and fixed them all." Your post did seem critical of D&D's script and giving all of the credit to the director for Hardhome's success. Then again KT and I are show apologists and might be defensive after years of abuse over at Westeros. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:20:17 GMT
Hey Konrad, looks like you were right about them swapping out Varamyr for Karsi. This interview with the director confirms that Karsi was originally supposed to be a man but they changed their minds. That also explains why a role as significant as Karsi was never a part of any S5 casting call, it was the Varamyr one listed right from the very first one. Good deduction skills. www.mtv.com/news/2173859/game-of-thrones-hardhome-interview/I don't understand how a casting call for a man ends up with an actress. I guess she auditioned for a different part, but they liked her enough to rewrite Varamyr's part. A bit disappointing that Varamyr wasn't used to give some more info on warging, I also kind of wanted to see his pet boar. I suppose they just wanted to give homage and use a book character's name, but if that was their goal, why not name her Varamelle? I assume they realised that the Wildling leaders would have been a 100% sausage fest which wouldn't necessarily be consistent with how the wildlings operate, so they rewrote the part for a woman. |
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 1, 2015 17:25:20 GMT
Yeah, it looks like Varamyr was never intended to have his warg-abilities be a part of his characterization on the show, they just wanted to use an existing Wildling name from the books. It certainly makes it far more interesting that it's a woman so I'm glad they made the change.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:32:21 GMT
BTW I was kind of joking with the Varamelle thing..
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But I'm totally fine with it because he was looking up at motherfucking Wun Wun which was waaaay better to see. There were a few other trailer shots that weren't used, like the one of Loboda and the one with multiple people approaching the gate I believe.
