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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 8:01:58 GMT
+ Karsi being unable to kill those children wights. I took it as they were her little girls who disobeyed her orders to get to the boats? No, her daughters made it safely onto the boat and out to the ships - they were some of the first to go - I'm sure it wasn't them. She couldn't kill those wight kids (one of them looked identical to the little girl in season 1!) though because she's a Mother and they reminded her of her own children. It was a hearbreaking moment but she probably knew she was outnumbered anyways and she just sacrificed herself. I understand why they did it - to show the humanity of the whole thing through the eyes of a character we only got to see briefly but instantly connected with but it was still hard to see her go.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 8:05:15 GMT
+ Karsi being unable to kill those children wights. I took it as they were her little girls who disobeyed her orders to get to the boats? No, her daughters made it safely onto the boat and out to the ships - they were some of the first to go - I'm sure it wasn't them. She couldn't kill those wight kids (one of them looked identical to the little girl in season 1!) though because she's a Mother and they reminded her of her own children. It was a hearbreaking moment but she probably knew she was outnumbered anyways and she just sacrificed herself. I understand why they did it - to show the humanity of the whole thing through the eyes of a character we only got to see briefly but instantly connected with but it was still hard to see her go. Aye. I'm pretty sure her little girls are visible very much alive in the promo for ep. 509 btw. |
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Post by bogden on Jun 1, 2015 8:58:49 GMT
I'm trying not to read too much because I haven't watched it yet, but wow this episode sounds amazing! I wish I had been able to stay awake to watch it at 2am!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 8:58:52 GMT
Does anyone know if Varamyr was that brownbearded guy who was the first to agree with Jon and Tormund?
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 1, 2015 10:42:41 GMT
10/10. Easily the best episode of the season. Hands down. I thought the Hardholme sequence, though it was what, 25 minutes...was better than the whole episode of Watchers on the Wall. Pros: WUN-WUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  THE NIGHT'S KING raising the dead! Seeing Valayrian Steel in action! Jon saying "f-ers" in his speech Tormund Giantsbane, love that guy. The special effects were terrific Tyrion's speech to Dany and his assessment of the state of the Houses of Westeros (it stung to have him say Stark is no more due to his terrible father). Peter Dinklage out acting Emilia Clarke by a mile Cersei being stubborn and drinking the water off the ground Roose electing to stay behind the walls of Winterfell Theon revealing to Sansa that Bran and Rickon are alive. Sansa confronting him. No Dorne, praise R'hillor Arya continuing her training. One of the best moves this show made was bringing back Jaqen to play the kindly man. Even the little bit between Sam and Ollie was good. NO CONS for me this week, just questions that I'll probably ask or find answers to in the episode thread when I read it later: Did Tyrion mention the Greyjoys or Martells in his assessment of the state of Westeros? Where is Varys? If Winterfell and surrounding areas is beset with snow, why wasn't Hardholme? If next week's wall sequence doesn't open with Jon telling everyone, "Um, yeah, about that. We are in SO MUCH TROUBLE y'all. Like so much. I just watched a white walker raise the DEAD. They were dead and now they are not. Do you see why the wildings are here morons? Because if they are not and they die, then they become the army that will eventually fight against us..." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 12:18:19 GMT
maybe varamyr shows up next episode when the wildlings go through the wall. However i'd really like to see his prologue played out (except he ran from hardhome). Wow this episode was a ten for me. The only storyline i'm a bit disappointed with is Arya's. Her progression into assasin doesn't seem natural. But yeh loved seeing Braavos and how she was telling the kindly man about who she is pretending to be. Love her new outfit. but that horn hair  Dany and Tyrion's stuff was great, i didn't like how he threw jorah under the bus there, poor jorah :S it's good to see the old tyrion back 'i had lost the will to live' is a bit dramatic but their conversation was solid. i love how they made use of barristan's story about the mad king and how it saved Dany from looking incredibly naive and stupid. i don't think tyrion has quite fallen for dany's charms, but he will when he sees her tame motherfucking drogon next week!!! get hype!!! Cersei's stuff was brilliant!!! she looked truly terrible hahaha i loved it. Septa Unella is my hero. seeing cersei lick water off the ground was golden. Good stuff by Lena headey and Qyburn. i loved Sansa's scene with Theon even though i knew it was coming. I'm excited to see theons confession at the heart tree which i think will be next episode whilst ramsay is burning stannis' tents. i think sansa's ferocity was awesome and finally broke theon. The discussion with the Boltons was actually good because you saw the different ways of thinking b/w roose and ramsay. Hardhome. what can i say it was thrilling, goosebumps, hands over mouth intense  . awesome things about hardhome: 1. Jon Snow being prettier than Tormunds daughters 2. Valryian steel kills White walkers CONFIRMED 3. Wun Wun's subtitles and stomping wights 4. The night's king staring down Jon and saying COME AT ME BRO  5. the Wildling women chieftess (speaking of her, her death looked a little awkward) Things i thought were weird.. - the child wights were 'eating' that wildling women. since when did they eat people? - Again with the skeletons at least this time they looked more realistically like decomposed corpses not like last time.. - mate who was in charge of rowing jon snow's boat? they were literally floating i'd be rowing out of there as fast as possible i got so angry when the freaking THENN closed the doors on all those people.  It's perfectly fine that it wasn't snowing hard at hardhome. snow storms can affect an area not the whole continent. |
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Post by Enid on Jun 1, 2015 12:39:53 GMT
A fucking 10. Holy shit, it was amazing. How can they top this, I don't know.
I felt like I was watching a horror movie, the dread, the desperation, the feeling they were all doomed no matter what they did... It was all there. As Benioff said, is not a battle, is a massacre. This is the first time we have seen the WW while they attack as a group, and it was overwhelming, I mean, that cliff shot really showed they are basically unstoppable.
If anyone hated the episode they should really stop watching, because it doesn't get better than this.
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Post by Quoth on Jun 1, 2015 12:55:24 GMT
Gave it an unqualified 10. Tyrion & Dany. The battle. The Free folk. Jon & Longclaw shattering the White Walker. Sam & Ollie (yeah, Ollie will be shiving Jon, I think. Sam's talk will backfire and Ollie will make the hard choice to go to the knife.) Just all brilliant scenes.
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Post by freypies on Jun 1, 2015 13:18:48 GMT
The Hardhome sequence, in my opinion, is the best 20 minutes the show has ever done. Unlike many of you, especially Jack Bauer, while I was excited for the episode, I was also a little apprehensive due to not particularly liking the skeleton wights scene in The Children. I was fearing that the battle would be a little too much like that.
However, I think I have finally come to the realisation (despite never really having any reason to not have come to this revelation years ago) that D&D are simply incapable of messing up a big scene. When something significant happens in Thrones, even the quieter big scenes such as Dany and Tyrion's conversation, it is almost always done to perfection.
Simply incredible. Better than any movie. 10/10 without a hairy whisper of a doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 13:26:12 GMT
+ Karsi being unable to kill those children wights. I took it as they were her little girls who disobeyed her orders to get to the boats? No, her daughters made it safely onto the boat and out to the ships - they were some of the first to go - I'm sure it wasn't them. She couldn't kill those wight kids (one of them looked identical to the little girl in season 1!) though because she's a Mother and they reminded her of her own children. It was a hearbreaking moment but she probably knew she was outnumbered anyways and she just sacrificed herself. I understand why they did it - to show the humanity of the whole thing through the eyes of a character we only got to see briefly but instantly connected with but it was still hard to see her go. I was surprised how quickly I became invested in what happened to her. And the fact that she was so badass, but just couldn't fight the child wights.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 13:57:34 GMT
If Winterfell and surrounding areas is beset with snow, why wasn't Hardholme? Just because Hardhome is farther north doesn't mean it will always be snowing. I'm sure it's colder, but it wasn't snowing because there wasn't any precipitation in the air at the time. It doesn't snow constantly in Antarctica during the winter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 14:56:17 GMT
I think Emilia Clarke can be a very good actress at times but she needs strong material to prop her up and can't overcome mediocre writing like some other actors can. It's a credit to how good Peter Dinklage is that she seemed to be able to up her game so well tonight when playing against him. He's truly a national treasure (even though I'm not American). A global treasure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 14:56:22 GMT
I think Emilia Clarke can be a very good actress at times but she needs strong material to prop her up and can't overcome mediocre writing like some other actors can. It's a credit to how good Peter Dinklage is that she seemed to be able to up her game so well tonight when playing against him. He's truly a national treasure (even though I'm not American). A global treasure. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 1, 2015 15:04:07 GMT
If Winterfell and surrounding areas is beset with snow, why wasn't Hardholme? In the books, the storm doesn't originate directly from the North. The Wall doesn't start receiving snow until weeks well after Stannis' army is buried. |
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 1, 2015 16:45:49 GMT
The Sansa scene seemed to be a waste of space. Important yes, but it ended with too little. Personally they could have ditched the Cersei scene or cut back on it. My guess is that Sansa will have a larger scene in the next episode. BUT I am pretty sure Ramsay and his 20 men will die. That would be one instance where I may root for Mel to feed R'hllor... Tyrion and Dany - that scene made my skin crawl. I just wanted to go through the screen and smack the arrogance right off of Dany's face... Especially the wheel comment. But as I said in the other thread, this scene created and interesting paradox to Jon's scene. Destruction vs. unification. Jon - I think the NK senses something odd about Jon, something that is unusual, and that scene was fantastic IMO. It was sort of like Oh F***, this one will not be easy. Did anyone catch the homage to LoTR though? The fight between Jon and the Other/WW was an interesting parallel between Aragorn's fight with the leader of the dead. In both instances, the attacker expected the sword to be useless, yet when Longclaw easily withstands the force of the ice weapon the WW/Other was throw off. The scene ( yes I know books/show are two sep mediums.....) sort of, or at least begins to, put to rest the idea of Jon aiding the Others ( I admit I was one hoping for this, because I really don't want Jon to aid Dany in any way  ). The stare down between Jon and the NK suggests that the two will eventually be intertwined in one nasty battle. |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 1, 2015 17:06:00 GMT
The Sansa scene seemed to be a waste of space. Important yes, but it ended with too little. Personally they could have ditched the Cersei scene or cut back on it. My guess is that Sansa will have a larger scene in the next episode. BUT I am pretty sure Ramsay and his 20 men will die. That would be one instance where I may root for Mel to feed R'hllor... Tyrion and Dany - that scene made my skin crawl. I just wanted to go through the screen and smack the arrogance right off of Dany's face... Especially the wheel comment. But as I said in the other thread, this scene created and interesting paradox to Jon's scene. Destruction vs. unification. Jon - I think the NK senses something odd about Jon, something that is unusual, and that scene was fantastic IMO. It was sort of like Oh F***, this one will not be easy. Did anyone catch the homage to LoTR though? The fight between Jon and the Other/WW was an interesting parallel between Aragorn's fight with the leader of the dead. In both instances, the attacker expected the sword to be useless, yet when Longclaw easily withstands the force of the ice weapon the WW/Other was throw off. The scene ( yes I know books/show are two sep mediums.....) sort of, or at least begins to, put to rest the idea of Jon aiding the Others ( I admit I was one hoping for this, because I really don't want Jon to aid Dany in any way ). The stare down between Jon and the NK suggests that the two will eventually be intertwined in one nasty battle. The scene with Sansa and Reek was like a breath of fresh air. I always hated how everyone kept thinking Reek was a kinslayer...I loved that he confessed to her. I wonder...will Sansa and Reek escape, get caught by Stannis and THEN Davos is sent to find Rickon? That could be a way of meeting back at the original storyline. |
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Post by jonishenrytudor on Jun 1, 2015 17:11:00 GMT
The Sansa scene seemed to be a waste of space. Important yes, but it ended with too little. Personally they could have ditched the Cersei scene or cut back on it. My guess is that Sansa will have a larger scene in the next episode. BUT I am pretty sure Ramsay and his 20 men will die. That would be one instance where I may root for Mel to feed R'hllor... Tyrion and Dany - that scene made my skin crawl. I just wanted to go through the screen and smack the arrogance right off of Dany's face... Especially the wheel comment. But as I said in the other thread, this scene created and interesting paradox to Jon's scene. Destruction vs. unification. Jon - I think the NK senses something odd about Jon, something that is unusual, and that scene was fantastic IMO. It was sort of like Oh F***, this one will not be easy. Did anyone catch the homage to LoTR though? The fight between Jon and the Other/WW was an interesting parallel between Aragorn's fight with the leader of the dead. In both instances, the attacker expected the sword to be useless, yet when Longclaw easily withstands the force of the ice weapon the WW/Other was throw off. The scene ( yes I know books/show are two sep mediums.....) sort of, or at least begins to, put to rest the idea of Jon aiding the Others ( I admit I was one hoping for this, because I really don't want Jon to aid Dany in any way ). The stare down between Jon and the NK suggests that the two will eventually be intertwined in one nasty battle. The scene with Sansa and Reek was like a breath of fresh air. I always hated how everyone kept thinking Reek was a kinslayer...I loved that he confessed to her. I wonder...will Sansa and Reek escape, get caught by Stannis and THEN Davos is sent to find Rickon? That could be a way of meeting back at the original storyline. I don't mean to open a can of worms, but I think people have overreacted to Sansa's arc of empowerment and made a lot of assumptions. Not for "that scene"... I think the knowledge that her brother's are alive will give her reason to live, not because she needs her brothers, but because she has her brothers. That I think will empower her and change her character dramatically. Imagine if you were in her shoes, alone in the world, and then found out your family was in fact alive. That would give you an enormous boost and a different will to live. Obviously I could be wrong, but I think that is what D&D are aiming for. Oh I liked the scene, I just wish there was more to it, that is all. I know next week....or so I hope. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2015 18:25:57 GMT
OH
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 18:29:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 19:12:27 GMT
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). The stare down between Jon and the NK suggests that the two will eventually be intertwined in one nasty battle. 
