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Post by boojam on May 25, 2015 13:17:08 GMT
It's weird how it's convenient for some info to become widely known , or at least known, and some not.
Ramsay knowing about Jon being lord-commander and no one in KL has a clue as to what LF has been doing ever since he left.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:18:00 GMT
Astuteness , the word you're looking for is astuteness I mean, baiting Ramsasy by telling him that he is a bastard and that Tommen is a bastard too was pretty clever, is a good way to make him see Walda's baby as a threat. Pretty astute indeed Astute, yes, but this is a different Sansa than the one we know from the books who I can't imagine intentionally putting Fat Walda and her unborn baby in harm's way. I don't normally complain about book-to-show changes, but I'm struggling with this a little. Without the fuller courts of the books, show Sansa is going to have to do evil things to be a player against the likes of a psychopath like Ramsey, isn't she? |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:31:11 GMT
Even tho book wise Varys disappear, for some time , Conleth Hill will only have three episodes this year? I think he'll appear in the finale. |
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Post by serpounce on May 25, 2015 13:37:20 GMT
Astute, yes, but this is a different Sansa than the one we know from the books who I can't imagine intentionally putting Fat Walda and her unborn baby in harm's way. I don't normally complain about book-to-show changes, but I'm struggling with this a little. Without the fuller courts of the books, show Sansa is going to have to do evil things to be a player against the likes of a psychopath like Ramsey, isn't she? I imagine she'll need to do evil things in the books as well. Even if all she does is kill LF, it's still a murder, regardless of how much we think they deserve it. However, it is very likely she'll do other questionable things before her story is over. There's little way around it. |
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Post by Enid on May 25, 2015 14:02:49 GMT
Astute, yes, but this is a different Sansa than the one we know from the books who I can't imagine intentionally putting Fat Walda and her unborn baby in harm's way. I don't normally complain about book-to-show changes, but I'm struggling with this a little. Without the fuller courts of the books, show Sansa is going to have to do evil things to be a player against the likes of a psychopath like Ramsey, isn't she? I don't think that Sansa wanted to put Walda and her baby in danger on purpose (although I doubt she cares much about the Frey/Bolton legacy), she probably wanted Ramsay to doubt his position and create some distance between Ramsay and Roose. And she succeeded on some level, I think her words will stay with Ramsay and make him do something stupid to secure his position (like attacking Walda and/or Stannis). Ramsay may have turned the tables on her for now, but I think Sansa's strategy will work. And yes, sadly being a player (a good one at least) usually means doing bad things, in the books Sansa is entering that territory by not telling anyone Littlefinger plans to kill Sweetrobin, so yeah, I think she will have to do some questionable choices before the show ends |
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Post by lordcarson on May 25, 2015 14:09:54 GMT
I wonder if Selyse on the ground could be her reaction to Mel leaving to go back to Castle Black and thinking they're doomed to lose now. Doubt it but that would be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:36:26 GMT
Astute, yes, but this is a different Sansa than the one we know from the books who I can't imagine intentionally putting Fat Walda and her unborn baby in harm's way. I don't normally complain about book-to-show changes, but I'm struggling with this a little. Without the fuller courts of the books, show Sansa is going to have to do evil things to be a player against the likes of a psychopath like Ramsey, isn't she? I don't think that Sansa wanted to put Walda and her baby in danger on purpose (although I doubt she cares much about the Frey/Bolton legacy), she probably wanted Ramsay to doubt his position and create some distance between Ramsay and Roose. And she succeeded on some level, I think her words will stay with Ramsay and make him do something stupid to secure his position (like attacking Walda and/or Stannis). Ramsay may have turned the tables on her for now, but I think Sansa's strategy will work. And yes, sadly being a player (a good one at least) usually means doing bad things, in the books Sansa is entering that territory by not telling anyone Littlefinger plans to kill Sweetrobin, so yeah, I think she will have to do some questionable choices before the show ends RUE THE DAY!!! A PEACEFUL LAND, A QUIET PEOPLE!!! |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:00:01 GMT
As I've said a time or two, I think Stannis is a tragic figure, and putting his trust in Melissandre to help fulfill his throne will be his downfall. He did tell Mel she was crazy and tell her to get out, when she suggested sacrificing Shireen, but I think he's either going to get desperate and cave (and maybe change his mind and jump in the fire) or something will happen to him and Mel will burn Shireen while he's gone. I know this is a painful idea for Stannis lovers, but to me, his character is a Shakespearean level tragedy waiting to happen. I think Roose becomes a bigger villain until someone (LF? Jon?) takes him down. Ramsey is more of a wild card.
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Post by evenstar on May 25, 2015 15:01:25 GMT
It's weird how it's convenient for some info to become widely known , or at least known, and some not. Ramsay knowing about Jon being lord-commander and no one in KL has a clue as to what LF has been doing ever since he left. I agree. But Ramsay knowing that Jon is lord-commander was inevitable since the NW always asks for help from the lords of Westeros. In this case Jon himself sent signed letters everywhere, to the Boltons as well even he initially refused to but was convinced by Sam. Convenient because Sansa seemed like she's storing that info for later use. But it might be just me wishfully thinking it  |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:05:38 GMT
Now that Sam has given his obsidian dagger to Jon, do you think he will use it to kill an Other at Hardhome. Apparently the WW who brought Craster's last son to NK is in next episode, so could it be that Jon kills that guy?
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2015 15:10:06 GMT
Jon getting the dragon glass pretty much confirma he'll be killing a White Walker for me. This show has not been subtle this season.
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Post by Enid on May 25, 2015 15:15:42 GMT
RUE THE DAY!!! A PEACEFUL LAND, A QUIET PEOPLE!!! We all know Ramsay is incapable of the last part, so yeah, Roose will rue the day |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:27:05 GMT
Now that Sam has given his obsidian dagger to Jon, do you think he will use it to kill an Other at Hardhome. Apparently the WW who brought Craster's last son to NK is in next episode, so could it be that Jon kills that guy? Maybe.  Probably. Hardhome does look really amazing. I wish we got some more insight into their world, like that scene with Craster's son, and the ice temple. Getting to see White Walkers in action for a good bit of screentime would be amazing. I just hope Hardhome delivers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:56:42 GMT
Now that Sam has given his obsidian dagger to Jon, do you think he will use it to kill an Other at Hardhome. Apparently the WW who brought Craster's last son to NK is in next episode, so could it be that Jon kills that guy? I don't think he'll kill the NK though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:05:01 GMT
How come Mel didn't mention Balon?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:07:04 GMT
How come Mel didn't mention Balon? He's not dead yet. Either that or we're pretending he doesnt exist. I'll be pretty shocked if we end the series without seeing him or any of the Ironorn though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:11:56 GMT
Now that Sam has given his obsidian dagger to Jon, do you think he will use it to kill an Other at Hardhome. Apparently the WW who brought Craster's last son to NK is in next episode, so could it be that Jon kills that guy? I don't think he'll kill the NK though. I meant the WW who took Craster's son to NK. I think Jon will kill NK, but in the final season. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:12:34 GMT
How come Mel didn't mention Balon? He's not dead yet. Either that or we're pretending he doesnt exist. I'll be pretty shocked if we end the series without seeing him or any of the Ironorn though. If that happens, I'll propably die for laughing too much. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:47:58 GMT
He's not dead yet. Either that or we're pretending he doesnt exist. I'll be pretty shocked if we end the series without seeing him or any of the Ironorn though. If that happens, I'll propably die for laughing too much. I wanna know if people remember who he is. I bet some people will think its Walder Frey  Yup, Walder and his daughter Yara. Where is Yara btw? Is she still in the North or do we not know? |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 17:09:20 GMT
How come Mel didn't mention Balon? He's not dead yet. Either that or we're pretending he doesnt exist. I'll be pretty shocked if we end the series without seeing him or any of the Ironorn though. Sansa mentioned him to Theon so it seems that D&D did remember he existed at some point. |
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Probably. Hardhome does look really amazing.