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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 18, 2015 10:48:11 GMT
I've made a list of the people who had an active role in screwing up the Starks on Show canon. So far, we have:
Littlefinger: betrayed Ned, sold Sansa to the Boltons. Currently on KL plotting to become Warden of the North.
Cersei: plot to get Bran killed (in show canon, there was no mention it was Joffrey, so can we assume it was her?), ordered Lady to be killed, plot to imprison the Ned, wants Sansa dead. Currently reigning, struggling against the Tyrells.
Joffrey: ordered Ned killed, beat Sansa quite a lot. Killed by Olenna Tyrell.
Jaime: pushed Bran from the tower, did not fulfill his vow to Catelyn when he had the chance. Lost one hand to the Boltons' men, is arrested by the Dornish.
Tywin: the main head on the war against the Starks and Tullys. Killed by Tyrion.
Roose: betrayed Catelyn and Robb, killed him himself, ordered Bran and Rickon dead (didn't make it). Now, he is Warden of the North and holds Sansa captive.
Ramsay: burned Winterfell, raped Sansa. Currently married to her.
Walder: betrayed Robb and Catelyn, hosting the event where they were killed. Lord of Riverrun, his family remains untouched.
Janos: betrayed Ned, killed by Jon.
Balon: attacked the North when it was vulnerable. He lost the Northern territories to the Boltons, but still sits on the Seastone Chair as King Balon Greyjoy
Theon: betrayed Robb for Balon, even attacking Winterfell without orders. Spread the news of Bran and Rickon's deaths. Tortured by Ramsay, living at Winterfell.
I made this because a lot of show watchers hold hope to some sort of Stark revenge happening at some point. Well, we all felt that at least once, after Bran being pushed off the tower, Ned's murder, the RW, and now, Sansa's rape. But out of all there characters who had an active role in destroying House Stark, which of them do you feel like will actually pay the price for their crimes? I don't feel like Joffrey and Tywin's death count, for example. And if Stannis kills Roose, that won't be exactly a "Stark revenge" either. I am pretty sure lots of fans don't feel Jaime deserves a revenge either... So, the point of the discussion is: will the Starks get their payback on someone? Will this person deserve it?
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Post by Admin on May 18, 2015 10:52:46 GMT
There is still hope for the writers to snap out of the madness and figure what a horrible thing they've done not including Stoneheart.
Also let's just hope that Sansa's rape will lead to her slaughtering someone because if not this is just gross.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 10:57:25 GMT
Don't forget the Greyjoys. Speeding up the Stark defeat and taking Winterfell and other major holds. Theon paid the iron price for his crimes IMO, he's been completely ruined.
In the books, Rickon could start avenging his family with the help of Wyman Manderly and co. Sansa might play a part in that. Bran most likely becomes a tree and doesn't take an active role. On the show, Rickon is at Last Hearth so him & possibly the Greatjon could deliver some damage to the Boltons and the Freys.
Blackfish is still free in the Riverlands, so hopefully they can end Walder and his horrible house.
Cersei's death won't have anything to do with the Starks.
I still believe that Sansa will become a player. She will adapt some LSH elements and together with Stannis they might end the Boltons, for once and for all. Judging by the old title of the last books, Starks will get some revenge and eventually they'r power will be restored.
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Post by Admin on May 18, 2015 11:06:09 GMT
Don't forget the Greyjoys. Speeding up the Stark defeat and taking Winterfell and other major holds. Theon paid the iron price for his crimes IMO, he's been completely ruined. In the books, Rickon could start avenging his family with the help of Wyman Manderly and co. Sansa might play a part in that. Bran most likely becomes a tree and doesn't take an active role. On the show, Rickon is at Last Hearth so him & possibly the Greatjon could deliver some damage to the Boltons and the Freys. Blackfish is still free in the Riverlands, so hopefully they can end Walder and his horrible house. Cersei's death won't have anything to do with the Starks. I still believe that Sansa will become a player. She will adapt some LSH elements and together with Stannis they might end the Boltons, for once and for all. Judging by the old title of the last books, Starks will get some revenge and eventually they'r power will be restored. So turned on right now  |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 18, 2015 11:12:44 GMT
Don't forget the Greyjoys. Speeding up the Stark defeat and taking Winterfell and other major holds. Theon paid the iron price for his crimes IMO, he's been completely ruined. In the books, Rickon could start avenging his family with the help of Wyman Manderly and co. Sansa might play a part in that. Bran most likely becomes a tree and doesn't take an active role. On the show, Rickon is at Last Hearth so him & possibly the Greatjon could deliver some damage to the Boltons and the Freys. Blackfish is still free in the Riverlands, so hopefully they can end Walder and his horrible house. Cersei's death won't have anything to do with the Starks. I still believe that Sansa will become a player. She will adapt some LSH elements and together with Stannis they might end the Boltons, for once and for all. Judging by the old title of the last books, Starks will get some revenge and eventually they'r power will be restored. I've correctef that. Thanks a lot! There are so many, I completely forgot Team Greyjoy! |
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Post by serpounce on May 18, 2015 13:43:36 GMT
I think we'll see some revenge type activity from Sansa. Even the preview showed her saying "I still have friends in the North". She's going to try to get even with the Boltons. And I believe we will see several of those who put the Starks down getting their comeuppance in season/book 6 and 7. It's not hopeless, even without LSH.
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Post by King Tommen on May 18, 2015 14:06:41 GMT
I think we'll see some revenge type activity from Sansa. Even the preview showed her saying "I still have friends in the North". She's going to try to get even with the Boltons. And I believe we will see several of those who put the Starks down getting their comeuppance in season/book 6 and 7. It's not hopeless, even without LSH. I'm not sure it's going to be "revenge" as much as "it's time for me to get the fuck on out of here". |
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Post by mattpeto on May 18, 2015 14:59:12 GMT
There has to be something large in motion for the Starks to strike back "hard" at some point. A Dream of Spring was originally called "A Time for Wolves", pretty foreshadowing that the final chapter, the good guys will win. -Arya is training to be an assassin. -Sansa is closer to doing something significant in the show than the books -Bran is going to warg into a dragon. -Jon should be a factor And don't forget baby Rickon  |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 17:27:54 GMT
I don't think Arya will ever become an assassin. This is from an interview couple of years back:
Fan: ...And now that Arya is an assassin
GRRM: No, she's not.
Fan: Well she is training.
GRRM: You think she will succeed?
It was something like that. Also there is this about Jon's death:
Fan: Is Jon Snow really dead?
GRRM: So you think he is dead?
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Post by sj4iy on May 18, 2015 17:33:27 GMT
We have at least two and a half seasons to go (if not more).
There is plenty of time for revenge.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 18, 2015 17:40:13 GMT
There has to be something large in motion for the Starks to strike back "hard" at some point. A Dream of Spring was originally called "A Time for Wolves", pretty foreshadowing that the final chapter, the good guys will win. -Arya is training to be an assassin. -Sansa is closer to doing something significant in the show than the books -Bran is going to warg into a dragon.-Jon should be a factor And don't forget baby Rickon I assumed that referenced the ravens |
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Post by day dreamer on May 18, 2015 20:10:42 GMT
I still think the Starks will get revenge in some form.
Sansa might even get some before she escapes. If not by her hand, she'll trick them into something and they'll be killed by someone else. (Maybe Brienne?)
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Post by Admin on May 18, 2015 20:26:48 GMT
I still think the Starks will get revenge in some form. Sansa might even get some before she escapes. If not by her hand, she'll trick them into something and they'll be killed by someone else. (Maybe Brienne?) The general creepiness of the final scene makes me think there is gonna be some serious shit coming to Boltons from Sansa and Theon. At least I pray to gods that is the case |
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Post by day dreamer on May 18, 2015 20:28:53 GMT
I still think the Starks will get revenge in some form. Sansa might even get some before she escapes. If not by her hand, she'll trick them into something and they'll be killed by someone else. (Maybe Brienne?) The general creepiness of the final scene makes me think there is gonna be some serious shit coming to Boltons from Sansa and Theon. At least I pray to gods that is the case Before I was pretty certain they would just run away and wouldn't actually try to take anyone down. Now I'm not so sure. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 20:29:51 GMT
I still think the Starks will get revenge in some form. Sansa might even get some before she escapes. If not by her hand, she'll trick them into something and they'll be killed by someone else. (Maybe Brienne?) The general creepiness of the final scene makes me think there is gonna be some serious shit coming to Boltons from Sansa and Theon. At least I pray to gods that is the case Your signature tho "And You. Can't. Frighten. Me"  |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 21:45:11 GMT
The wolves will come again, baby. It may only be Rickon left, but they'll come!  |
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Post by kingeomer on May 18, 2015 23:05:23 GMT
I think the revenge will happen in the show but maybe not in the way we are hoping for or expect to.
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Post by janicia on May 19, 2015 1:33:38 GMT
I'd rather Roose kill Ramsay than Sansa or Theon. Roose would do it thoroughly, and wouldn't be traumatized by the proceeding. And with any luck, Ramsay would manage to kill Roose while dying.
I'd rather the Starks achieve the revenge of surviving and thriving. Not expecting many of them to, of course, but I'd rather that than to see them became agents of vengeance.
Though I do kind of hope that Stannis has to face Brienne at some point. He kind of shouldn't get away with not thinking about it. He used blood magic to kill his brother. That has consequences. I don't want Brienne to kill him necessarily, but I do want him to have to face her fury and anguish.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 19, 2015 2:03:48 GMT
We have at least two and a half seasons to go (if not more). There is plenty of time for revenge. Nobody said there is no time, friend. We are wondering if the characters will achieve it, against who, and how. As I said on the main post, for me it was obvious that Joffrey would be killed by one of the "good guys", yet he was killed by Olenna Tyrell as a plot of her own - not exactly revenge, right? I hope you understand what the topic is about now. |
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Post by kingeomer on May 19, 2015 2:35:02 GMT
We have at least two and a half seasons to go (if not more). There is plenty of time for revenge. Nobody said there is no time, friend. We are wondering if the characters will achieve it, against who, and how. As I said on the main post, for me it was obvious that Joffrey would be killed by one of the "good guys", yet he was killed by Olenna Tyrell as a plot of her own - not exactly revenge, right? I hope you understand what the topic is about now. We already have two characters down, dead to other reasons that don't involve Starks. I was hoping Robb (or Sansa) would chop Joffrey's head off, that some Stark would get Tywin (it was Tyrion), Theon has been tortured by Ramsey-I think whatever punishment he would gotten from a Stark would have been kinder, Roose Bolton is probably going to die by Stannis's hand, Ramsey probably by someone's else's hand for a very good reason, Walder Frey and his family are not very well liked, show wise a Faceless Man might take them out. I would love to see Arya get some people on her hit list but I bet she doesn't. Oh and Cersei and Jaime will probably kill each other. Littlefinger's role in Ned's betrayal isn't well known, so unless some major revelation happens, someone else (Varys?) will probably kill him. While I would not miss any of these characters, the thought that their demises will come around not via a Stark depresses me. |
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