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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 18, 2015 19:17:19 GMT
I think the casting was kind of spotty with the SS. Henwick is fine, Sellers is ok, but Castle-Hughes so far leaves something to be desired. Everything so far is bad because they just should have cast athletic stuntwomen and given them a week's worth of acting classes rather than casting unathletic actresses and given them a week's worth of fighting classes. They cast Hafthor as The Mountain because he was strong and huge, and he did just fine with his limited acting - quite good even. And he's had more lines than either Nym or Tyene so far. There's no point in casting actors when they're not going to act.
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Post by day dreamer on May 18, 2015 19:20:22 GMT
It's kind of hilarious that KCH has been so bad since she's the only one of them who's a known entity, with an Oscar nom to boot Right? Who saw that coming. I assumed she'd be the strongest. I don't think she's terrible, the other two haven't gotten much to say. I think Tyene might be my least favorite though after watching that stupid gif over and over.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 19:24:23 GMT
I feel like they could have cast Arianne to be in the lead in Dorne and then had the Sand Snakes as stuntwomen or background characters. Having Jaime and Bronn go to Dorne does work because it gets them away from Cersei, but it's not the concept of Dorne that's bad, it's the execution. The Queenmaker plot hasn't even been touched on. I would have preferred the Sand Snakes crowning Myrcella as their revenge against Cersei instead of wanting to get rid of her. It's clever because it's could have been turning a daughter against her mother. But maybe we'll see some of that when Doran reveals his plans. Idk.
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Post by Nezzer on May 18, 2015 19:35:04 GMT
I feel like they could have cast Arianne to be in the lead in Dorne and then had the Sand Snakes as stuntwomen or background characters. Having Jaime and Bronn go to Dorne does work because it gets them away from Cersei, but it's not the concept of Dorne that's bad, it's the execution. The Queenmaker plot hasn't even been touched on. I would have preferred the Sand Snakes crowning Myrcella as their revenge against Cersei instead of wanting to get rid of her. It's clever because it's could have been turning a daughter against her mother. But maybe we'll see some of that when Doran reveals his plans. Idk. Yeah, Dorne would've been so much better if they completely ditched the Sand Snakes and focus the storyline on Doran and Arianne. Keep the Queenmaker plot, as stupid as it is, and make Doran reveal Trystane as Aegon or something. it might sound bad, but I think it could have worked if done properly.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 19:44:34 GMT
Yeah, Dorne would've been so much better if they completely ditched the Sand Snakes and focus the storyline on Doran and Arianne. Keep the Queenmaker plot, as stupid as it is, and make Doran reveal Trystane as Aegon or something. it might sound bad, but I think it could have worked if done properly. Yeah exactly, but I guess D&D wanted it to focus on Oberyn's daughters since he was a fan favorite, but so far it's laughable. Siddig is at least saving it from becoming worse than Qarth.
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Post by day dreamer on May 18, 2015 20:25:49 GMT
Anything with Myrcella would be better than this Romeo and Juliet bullshit we're getting. I didn't like the Queenmaker story in the book, but I would prefer it to this.
At first I wasn't angry about Arianne being left out, because I always preferred Areo and Doran over her anyways, but then the more I thought about it, the more annoyed I got.
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Post by day dreamer on May 18, 2015 20:31:50 GMT
Also regarding the Sansa scene, I got weirdly emotional thinking about Ned, Catelyn, and Robb and how they would've felt if they knew this was happening. Or Jon finding out, how angry they would all be.
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Post by mattpeto on May 18, 2015 20:36:52 GMT
Also regarding the Sansa scene, I got weirdly emotional thinking about Ned, Catelyn, and Robb and how they would've felt if they knew this was happening. Or Jon finding out, how angry they would all be. We know that Jon had a tight relationship with Arya, but maybe the news of "Ramsay raping your sister" will make him break to abandon vows for good...
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Post by day dreamer on May 18, 2015 20:49:16 GMT
Also regarding the Sansa scene, I got weirdly emotional thinking about Ned, Catelyn, and Robb and how they would've felt if they knew this was happening. Or Jon finding out, how angry they would all be. We know that Jon had a tight relationship with Arya, but maybe the news of "Ramsay raping your sister" will make him break to abandon vows for good... He chases after Stannis "wait, wait! Make me a Stark! The Night's Watch hates me anyways!"
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Post by Enid on May 18, 2015 20:53:35 GMT
I don't know, in the books Jon knew that "Arya", his favourite sibling, the one person he loved more than anyone (talking bother-sister love here, no need to add incest GRRM please and thank you), was in Winterfell and married to Ramsay, and yet he didn't break his vows, not even after the Pink Letter. In the show no one except the Boltons, Pedofinger, Theon and now Cersei know Sansa is in Winterfell, and with Jon leaving for Hardhome next episode I don't see how he is going to find out before he goes away. The sooner I think he might find out is in episode 10, and then yes, it can happen like in ADWD and Jon tries to send someone to rescue Sansa right before he is attacked, but I assumed he was going to return to the Wall with more wildings, which will generate more resentment towards him, and then Ollie goes all cesar on him.
Meanwhile Sansa will use Theon and the servants to destroy the fucking Boltons, help Stannis win the battle, Stannis will name her Wardeness of the North, Pedofinger will arrive and Sansa and Stannis will burn him alive for being a creep and an asshole.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 18, 2015 21:47:24 GMT
I think Tyene might be my least favorite though after watching that stupid gif over and over. She was supposed to have the whip but Rosabell couldn't handle it. I can't believe I'm discussing the ups and downs of a character based upon what weapon that character is holding.
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Post by sj4iy on May 18, 2015 22:08:29 GMT
I thought the Dorne scenes were rushed. That's how they felt. They lacked the polish of the rest of the episode, and therefore stood out more than they should have.
However, I've said the same exact things about the Dorne chapters in the books, so...I guess it's a wash at this point?
In any case, I'll be fine once we get more Bashir. More Bashir, please!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 22:14:10 GMT
I thought the Dorne scenes were rushed. That's how they felt. They lacked the polish of the rest of the episode, and therefore stood out more than they should have. However, I've said the same exact things about the Dorne chapters in the books, so...I guess it's a wash at this point? In any case, I'll be fine once we get more Bashir. More Bashir, please! Any conversations between Jaime and Myrcella and Jaime and Doran should be great.
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Post by janicia on May 19, 2015 0:12:18 GMT
So, why exactly did Olyvar testify against the Tyrells? He was beaten by the Sparrows twice, in eps 3 and 4... Now he is in coup with them. Did I miss something about Littlefinger and Cersei making plans about that? I imagine he's concerned for his life. His predecessor was imprisoned and beaten up by Cersei's thugs on the charge of being the mistress of somebody Cersei didn't like. Then she was given to Joffrey for target practice by Littlefinger. So Olyvar can't count on personal protection from Littlefinger or the Lannister house. And then the Sparrows made the High Septon do a walk of shame, murdered one of Olyvar's gay clients, and arrested Loras. If they can do those kinds of things to the rich and powerful, there is nothing stopping them from torturing or murdering Olyvar. He cooperated because he didn't want to die. Maybe Cersei also bribed him, but Olyvar couldn't have thought he had much choice in the matter. And Olyvar might have never felt personal loyalty to Loras. As a prostitute sent to spy on somebody, it would be smarter to avoid developing feelings.
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Post by janicia on May 19, 2015 0:36:59 GMT
It was a small moment, but I liked that Trystane noticed the blood on Bronn and went for his sword. Futile, sure. But Arya would have done the same and it was neat he got to be feisty.
The Dornish stuff just doesn't seem to be getting enough time to work - the Myrcella abduction was minimized down so much that it became kind of silly. And it seems like there are too many Sandsnakes given that they have so little to do. My guess is that they'll work better in seasons 6-7 once they split up and get out of Dorne. Which is probably why they needed to be actresses rather than stuntwomen, and why they went with the Sandsnakes instead of the Greyjoys. I am looking forward to Myrcella talking to Jaime though.
I'm guessing Cersei won't set fire to the Red Keep this season if she hasn't done it already. I was looking forward to that scene, but Cersei hasn't been acting crazy enough for it really - would be out of place for her.
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Post by janicia on May 19, 2015 1:17:18 GMT
I also liked Tyrion and Jorah together. Not just the scene about the fathers, but also them dealing with the capture by slavers. Tyrion was going out on a limb and hoping that Jorah would understand what he was up to and back him up. And Jorah came through, to Tyrion's evident relief. Gosh, it is fun to see Tyrion working toward concrete goals again, even though his goals aren't very lofty. "get Jorah to give me wine" "have a conversation with Jorah in which he doesn't hit me" "keep my blood inside my body".
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 19, 2015 4:31:22 GMT
Did any character die on this episode? Besides our will to live
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 4:50:32 GMT
Did any character die on this episode? Besides our will to live The sick girl at The House of Black and White.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 4:54:26 GMT
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 19, 2015 5:46:18 GMT
It was a small moment, but I liked that Trystane noticed the blood on Bronn and went for his sword. Futile, sure. But Arya would have done the same and it was neat he got to be feisty. The Dornish stuff just doesn't seem to be getting enough time to work - the Myrcella abduction was minimized down so much that it became kind of silly. A nd it seems like there are too many Sandsnakes given that they have so little to do. My guess is that they'll work better in seasons 6-7 once they split up and get out of Dorne. Which is probably why they needed to be actresses rather than stuntwomen, and why they went with the Sandsnakes instead of the Greyjoys. I am looking forward to Myrcella talking to Jaime though. I'm guessing Cersei won't set fire to the Red Keep this season if she hasn't done it already. I was looking forward to that scene, but Cersei hasn't been acting crazy enough for it really - would be out of place for her. Yes, they cut Arianne, Arys, Dorkstar, and the rest of her posse, and it still feels like too many characters in Dorne for what little is being done with them. I'm honestly doubtful all three of the Sandsnakes have their own unique and vital roles in the plot coming up in Winds, it feels like they're just there because Oberyn was a fan favorite so the audience is expected to love all his stupid bastards too. Cersei burned the Tower of the Hand right after Tommen's wedding and her paranoia about Tyrion still being in the walls after murdering Tywin has been cut, so the tower burning is definitely out. It would be probably be seen as not worth the wildfire SFX to have a scene that really only serves to show Cersei is going off the deep end. It's a great image, but I never really expected it to make it onscreen.
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