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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 14:57:09 GMT
So you agree he could still do it then?  I never said anything about the context, I have no idea about that. He could, but he probably won't. If he does do it, the situation will be a lot worse, probably something to do with the White Walkers and actually saving the world. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 9, 2015 21:30:02 GMT
I can't bring myself to hate show Stannis (yet) because I know that this was D&Ds decision. I know that sounds silly but it feels like D&D gave Stannis a potion to be stupid. D&D killed Shireen. I can't blame him I can only blame them. I'm making no sense but that's just how I feel about it until the finale.
So uh what do you guys think will happen next week anyway? Cliffhanger? Capturing Ramsay? There's definitely a battle. Full out Battle for Winterfell or just a small one on the way?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 21:39:31 GMT
I can't bring myself to hate show Stannis (yet) because I know that this was D&Ds decision. I know that sounds silly but it feels like D&D gave Stannis a potion to be stupid. D&D killed Shireen. I can't blame him I can only blame them. I'm making no sense but that's just how I feel about it until the finale. So uh what do you guys think will happen next week anyway? Cliffhanger? Capturing Ramsay? There's definitely a battle. Full out Battle for Winterfell or just a small one on the way? I blame show Stannis for being a bad adaptation of bookStannis. Stannis has no plan on the show (no villages, no icy lakes) so what can he do? Storm the castle with ladders? I think we'll get something small this season and the battle will be resolved offscreen. Massive cliffhanger incoming. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 9, 2015 21:59:45 GMT
I can't bring myself to hate show Stannis (yet) because I know that this was D&Ds decision. I know that sounds silly but it feels like D&D gave Stannis a potion to be stupid. D&D killed Shireen. I can't blame him I can only blame them. I'm making no sense but that's just how I feel about it until the finale. So uh what do you guys think will happen next week anyway? Cliffhanger? Capturing Ramsay? There's definitely a battle. Full out Battle for Winterfell or just a small one on the way? I blame show Stannis for being a bad adaptation of bookStannis. Stannis has no plan on the show (no villages, no icy lakes) so what can he do? Storm the castle with ladders? I think we'll get something small this season and the battle will be resolved offscreen. Massive cliffhanger incoming. That makes sense but D&D are the writers of the bad adaptation of book Stannis so I still blame them. They wrote him that way when they didn't have to. But I digress! I agree with you about the battle. It'll be just enough to make it interesting. Even though we have no one too root for! Asshole who killed Robb or asshole who burned his daughter oh who will I choose? Fucking bullshit what's the point why should I even care who wins now? Why should anyone???? D&D really shot themselves in the foot with this one in my opinion. The only thing to root for is Sansa and Theon getting out. |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 9, 2015 22:27:41 GMT
Look how excited we all were on the first few pages. What sweet summer children we were...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 22:39:54 GMT
So you agree he could still do it then? I never said anything about the context, I have no idea about that. He could, but he probably won't. If he does do it, the situation will be a lot worse, probably something to do with the White Walkers and actually saving the world. I don't think it matters what motivates him, whether it's the WW or not, burning his own daughter alive would be absolutely abominable. And he is not even AAR, so what would it achieve? I don't think it would achieve anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 22:42:52 GMT
I can't bring myself to hate show Stannis (yet) because I know that this was D&Ds decision. I know that sounds silly but it feels like D&D gave Stannis a potion to be stupid. D&D killed Shireen. I can't blame him I can only blame them. I'm making no sense but that's just how I feel about it until the finale. So uh what do you guys think will happen next week anyway? Cliffhanger? Capturing Ramsay? There's definitely a battle. Full out Battle for Winterfell or just a small one on the way? Also, sorry, but this is just hardcore denial. D&D made him burn Shireen because George told them it would happen. I'm highly, highly skeptical that George would have told them Shireen burns, giving them enough context to realise it was a sacrifice, but not enough to realise Stannis has no involvement. I'm not saying he absolutely will do it in the books, just that D&D are not the people to blame here. |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 9, 2015 23:48:12 GMT
I can't bring myself to hate show Stannis (yet) because I know that this was D&Ds decision. I know that sounds silly but it feels like D&D gave Stannis a potion to be stupid. D&D killed Shireen. I can't blame him I can only blame them. I'm making no sense but that's just how I feel about it until the finale. So uh what do you guys think will happen next week anyway? Cliffhanger? Capturing Ramsay? There's definitely a battle. Full out Battle for Winterfell or just a small one on the way? I feel the same thing. And he still looks like a Mannis in the preview, so it's hard to hate him. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 10, 2015 0:01:00 GMT
I can't bring myself to hate show Stannis (yet) because I know that this was D&Ds decision. I know that sounds silly but it feels like D&D gave Stannis a potion to be stupid. D&D killed Shireen. I can't blame him I can only blame them. I'm making no sense but that's just how I feel about it until the finale. So uh what do you guys think will happen next week anyway? Cliffhanger? Capturing Ramsay? There's definitely a battle. Full out Battle for Winterfell or just a small one on the way? Also, sorry, but this is just hardcore denial. D&D made him burn Shireen because George told them it would happen. I'm highly, highly skeptical that George would have told them Shireen burns, giving them enough context to realise it was a sacrifice, but not enough to realise Stannis has no involvement. I'm not saying he absolutely will do it in the books, just that D&D are not the people to blame here. I said it was silly. Sure I'm in denial that my favortie character would burn his daughter. I know that Shireen burns. I know there is a reason. But the fact is as of right now Stannis is outside Winterfell waiting to fight the Bolton's. Shireen and co are at the Wall. The placement of these characters is all wrong for it to go down in this way. Unless Stannis wins the battle and returns to the Wall or brings Shireen down to Winterfell. If that happens and for some reason they decide to burn Shireen then so be it. And that's excluding the situation with Jon. Until TWOW comes out we will not know. |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 10, 2015 0:04:22 GMT
Also, sorry, but this is just hardcore denial. D&D made him burn Shireen because George told them it would happen. I'm highly, highly skeptical that George would have told them Shireen burns, giving them enough context to realise it was a sacrifice, but not enough to realise Stannis has no involvement. I'm not saying he absolutely will do it in the books, just that D&D are not the people to blame here. I said it was silly. Sure I'm in denial that my favortie character would burn his daughter. I know that Shireen burns. I know there is a reason. But the fact is as of right now Stannis is outside Winterfell waiting to fight the Bolton's. Shireen and co are at the Wall. The placement of these characters is all wrong for it to go down in this way. Unless Stannis wins the battle and returns to the Wall or brings Shireen down to Winterfell. If that happens and for some reason they decide to burn Shireen then so be it. And that's excluding the situation with Jon. Until TWOW comes out we will not know. Exactly. This should've happened later, after the Battle of Ice. Now most people have no one to root for in this battle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 10:28:48 GMT
IMO people are exaggerating. In the future battle when you have to choose between Stannis and the Boltons, most people will choose Stan.
Ramsay tortured and castrated Theon and raped Sansa. Roose betrayed Robb.
Meanwhile Stannis burned his daughter because he saw it as the only way.
Most people will root for Stannis to kill the Boltons. No matter if they like him or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 18:55:26 GMT
Instead of having plenty of scenes where Stannis and co talk about burning Shireen and eventually burning her, we could have had plenty of other stuff.
- Davos's trip to White Harbor
- Stannis visiting the clansmen
- Mel/Selyse/Shireen at the Wall
- Big Bucket Wull's speech
- A small battle where Yara is captured
- more Northern lords, more epic Stannis lines that never made it on the show
Shireen didn't really have to die yet. Stannis's story line was already so entertaining in the books, why did they have to alter that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 18:58:13 GMT
We don't know which of those events are even important to the endgame.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 14, 2015 19:13:32 GMT
Instead of having plenty of scenes where Stannis and co talk about burning Shireen and eventually burning her, we could have had plenty of other stuff. - Davos's trip to White Harbor - Stannis visiting the clansmen - Mel/Selyse/Shireen at the Wall - Big Bucket Wull's speech - A small battle where Yara is captured - more Northern lords, more epic Stannis lines that never made it on the show Shireen didn't really have to die yet. Stannis's story line was already so entertaining in the books, why did they have to alter that? It would be awesome, but it would take too much time. They'd have to either make Stanis leave Castle Black in episode 1, giving us barely any interactions between him and Jon (which were the highlight of the season for me) or his storyline should've been split into two seasons. If I had my way, without giving him more screentime than he's got this season, he would leave in episode 5 like he did in the show, get the support of the clansmen in episode 7 and take Deepwood Motte in episode 9, leaving the battle of Winterfell for season 6. The problem would be finding time to give Davos his own storyline away from Stannis. Maybe give him three episodes: leave Castle Black in episode 1, arrive in White Harbor in episode 5 to make his speech and get arrested and in episode 8 have the Manderly reveal, sending him to Skagos (let's assume the Umbers sent him there to keep him safe). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 19:47:17 GMT
Instead of having plenty of scenes where Stannis and co talk about burning Shireen and eventually burning her, we could have had plenty of other stuff. - Davos's trip to White Harbor - Stannis visiting the clansmen - Mel/Selyse/Shireen at the Wall - Big Bucket Wull's speech - A small battle where Yara is captured - more Northern lords, more epic Stannis lines that never made it on the show Shireen didn't really have to die yet. Stannis's story line was already so entertaining in the books, why did they have to alter that? It would be awesome, but it would take too much time. They'd have to either make Stanis leave Castle Black in episode 1, giving us barely any interactions between him and Jon (which were the highlight of the season for me) or his storyline should've been split into two seasons. If I had my way, without giving him more screentime than he's got this season, he would leave in episode 5 like he did in the show, get the support of the clansmen in episode 7 and take Deepwood Motte in episode 9, leaving the battle of Winterfell for season 6. The problem would be finding time to give Davos his own storyline away from Stannis. Maybe give him three episodes: leave Castle Black in episode 1, arrive in White Harbor in episode 5 to make his speech and get arrested and in episode 8 have the Manderly reveal, sending him to Skagos (let's assume the Umbers sent him there to keep him safe). I didn't mean that all of those happened, but any of those could have been chosen instead of Shireen burning. Sad really. Your way would have been perfect. Shireen & Selyse should have stayed at the Wall, I wouldn't have minded Mel hopping along and demanding a northman to be sacrificed and then Stannis would have said "no burnings, pray harder". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 19:47:56 GMT
We don't know which of those events are even important to the endgame. No not really, but they would have made Stannis's story line significantly better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 23:58:52 GMT
Instead of having plenty of scenes where Stannis and co talk about burning Shireen and eventually burning her, we could have had plenty of other stuff. - Davos's trip to White Harbor - Stannis visiting the clansmen - Mel/Selyse/Shireen at the Wall - Big Bucket Wull's speech - A small battle where Yara is captured - more Northern lords, more epic Stannis lines that never made it on the show Shireen didn't really have to die yet. Stannis's story line was already so entertaining in the books, why did they have to alter that? Nope. A lot of scenes like this would paint Stannis in a heroic light, rather than, just another horny lad obsessed with Mel. And lets be honest, thats really all he is. I mean, when you strip away all his interesting, witty dialogue, character and mental athletics. A man. And what do all men who are not in D&Ds favourites... Sorry, I mean 'essential to the plot' really want? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 11:48:39 GMT
I haven't watched the episode but I gave in to the temptation to watch Stannis's scenes. Interesting stuff really. Stannis's tactics against the cavalry were a bit stupid, but never mind..
Is Brienne dumb or what? She called Renly the rightful king, what the fuck? Renly had no right whatsoever.
I don't think that Stannis is dead, no way would D&D kill him like that.
Now I can say that Stannis's story line was quite extremely shitty compared to it's book counterpart.
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Post by breakfest on Jun 15, 2015 12:10:17 GMT
It was a fittingly shitty end for a tragic character reduced to a shell of humanity. I'd hope if he does a father-daughter-cookoff in the books too then he'll suffer a similarly ignominious end.
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 15, 2015 12:25:45 GMT
I haven't watched the episode but I gave in to the temptation to watch Stannis's scenes. Interesting stuff really. Stannis's tactics against the cavalry were a bit stupid, but never mind.. Is Brienne dumb or what? She called Renly the rightful king, what the fuck? Renly had no right whatsoever. I don't think that Stannis is dead, no way would D&D kill him like that. Now I can say that Stannis's story line was quite extremely shitty compared to it's book counterpart. No way they'd kill him like that? D&D? They treated his character like trash I'd me more surprised if he was alive. Part of me is sad because he died and part is mad because that was such a shitty death scene (Brienne?? Really? And for Renly after all this time don't get me started) and Shireen was for nothing. But I'm also happy because we don't have to watch the character be ruined anymore. Mixed emotions over here. But I am upset. All I'm really worried about is what this means for book Stannis. But that's for another thread I suppose. |
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I never said anything about the context, I have no idea about that.
