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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 8:00:56 GMT
Nothing. She's not coming. 4x10 was the perfect opportunity, but now it's too late. Bringing her back now would be quite pointless, since we don't have anyone major even near the Riverlands. Jaime & Brienne will have other stuff to do so there's that.
But we might have some RL action, we might even get Blackfish and Edmure, but that's it.
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Post by dany4eva on May 28, 2015 8:12:26 GMT
Nothing. She's not coming. 4x10 was the perfect opportunity, but now it's too late. Bringing her back now would be quite pointless, since we don't have anyone major even near the Riverlands. Jaime & Brienne will have other stuff to do so there's that. But we might have some RL action, we might even get Blackfish and Edmure, but that's it. I agree, I think there will be RL action but no LSH and possibly no BWB. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 8:17:13 GMT
Nothing. She's not coming. 4x10 was the perfect opportunity, but now it's too late. Bringing her back now would be quite pointless, since we don't have anyone major even near the Riverlands. Jaime & Brienne will have other stuff to do so there's that. But we might have some RL action, we might even get Blackfish and Edmure, but that's it. I agree, I think there will be RL action but no LSH and possibly no BWB. Exactly so, if the BWB will return, it's the Blackfish who's leading them. |
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2015 9:18:02 GMT
I agree, I think there will be RL action but no LSH and possibly no BWB. Exactly so, if the BWB will return, it's the Blackfish who's leading them. Having Blackfish replace her would be worse than her plot not being in the show at all. It removes the divine intervention in RW's vengeance and any connection to Brienne. |
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Post by dany4eva on May 28, 2015 9:58:22 GMT
Exactly so, if the BWB will return, it's the Blackfish who's leading them. Having Blackfish replace her would be worse than her plot not being in the show at all. It removes the divine intervention in RW's vengeance and any connection to Brienne. I agree. They rather cut her whole plot altogether than someone else replace her. At this moment i just want Brienne dead ngl |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 11:05:45 GMT
Exactly so, if the BWB will return, it's the Blackfish who's leading them. Having Blackfish replace her would be worse than her plot not being in the show at all. It removes the divine intervention in RW's vengeance and any connection to Brienne. Blackfish could concentrate on freeing Edmure and freeing the Riverlands with BWB's help. |
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2015 11:12:33 GMT
Having Blackfish replace her would be worse than her plot not being in the show at all. It removes the divine intervention in RW's vengeance and any connection to Brienne. Blackfish could concentrate on freeing Edmure and freeing the Riverlands with BWB's help. LS can do this just as well |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 11:35:11 GMT
Blackfish could concentrate on freeing Edmure and freeing the Riverlands with BWB's help. LS can do this just as well But LS is highly unlikely to appear anymore. Blackfish escaped the wedding for a reason. |
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2015 11:39:25 GMT
LS can do this just as well But LS is highly unlikely to appear anymore. Blackfish escaped the wedding for a reason. Why is LS unlikely and Blackfish is not? Resurrection was already established in the show, as was BwB. The only good reason to have BF instead is some reasoning not to have Catelyn, and there is none. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 11:44:49 GMT
But LS is highly unlikely to appear anymore. Blackfish escaped the wedding for a reason. Why is LS unlikely and Blackfish is not? Resurrection was already established in the show, as was BwB. The only good reason to have BF instead is some reasoning not to have Catelyn, and there is none. Blackfish is alive. It's too late to bring back LSH, it should have happened in 4x10. Perhaps D&D don't want to resurrect a major character. |
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2015 11:47:57 GMT
Why is LS unlikely and Blackfish is not? Resurrection was already established in the show, as was BwB. The only good reason to have BF instead is some reasoning not to have Catelyn, and there is none. Blackfish is alive. It's too late to bring back LSH, it should have happened in 4x10. Perhaps D&D don't want to resurrect a major character. It's not too late, they wouldn't show resurrection but the fact that she is around after being resurrected a while back. The whole point is that she was dead and now is alive, that is what makes this vengeance special. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 28, 2015 13:12:20 GMT
Anyone think maybe GRRM requested they leave her out?
He's said something about kinda regretting her in an interview, I believe. So its possible. Or if she dies with no casualties (Brienne/Jaime) in TWOW they just cut her. If Brienne dies this season then it's almost a guarantee LSH kills her anyway. It's hard to say why they cut her (or took so long to bring her in) if we don't know what happens. For her arc and Brienne's, Brienne should kill her.
But who knows? Still think it would have been better then Brienne sitting in Winterfell for 5 episodes.
At this point I feel LSH is a book only thing. I feel like there's always been mixed opinions on her anyway. For the people that like her (me) we have the book version. For people that hate her? Show version.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 28, 2015 13:58:41 GMT
GRRM never said such thing as far as I know. In fact, I think he likes her development. Some people say she was ressurrected because he regretted killing her in the first place, but she came back in the same book she died, and in the same book ressurrection was shown (it had already been set up on aCoK via Arya's POV on Harrenhal). She had a major impact on Brienne's arc on the following book, and also an influence in Jaime's on aDwD.
No, I don't think GRRM regrets her at all. If you show me a link of that, I'll believe, but there is REALLY no reason for us to think that. Catelyn is very major book-wise, much more than in the shows.
If she is not in, it is just because D&D figured they couldn't work well her character on-screen, which is a valid point I guess. Probably the same thing happened to Aegon. I don't think it has anything to do with impact to the plot or GRRM's opinion. Fake identities are hard to work with, and to bring back a chatacter may just be something they are not comfortable with.
But none of us know, guys. She can even show up next season. It's not "too late" for her to ressurect because it would be her first appearance, not her ressurection itself. Or she can never be featured at all, but then I hope the show closes the BwB arc somehow because I hate when shows have loose ends (see, I used to be a huge Lost fan, so...)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 14:10:18 GMT
I don't think GRRM regrets her either. She was meant to die originally beyond the Wall at the hands of the WW, so I think it's likely that Stoneheart has always been a part of the story, in some form.
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 28, 2015 16:12:20 GMT
Hmm I swear I read that somewhere a year or so back but maybe it was a fake quote. I tried looking it up but no luck I guess it was false sorry about that.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 28, 2015 16:54:49 GMT
Hmm I swear I read that somewhere a year or so back but maybe it was a fake quote. I tried looking it up but no luck I guess it was false sorry about that. Hey don't worry, it happens. Besides, people spread a lot of fake info, we never know what to trust on the internet (this seems to be specially true regarding the aSoIaF/GoT fandom). Not your fault at all  |
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Post by Basil on May 28, 2015 16:59:45 GMT
Yeah, I've seen this argument before. Especially those who hate Stoneheart will often say that even Martin regrets bringing Catelyn back to life, but so far, I've never seen anybody actually providing some sort of proof, like an interview or something.
The fact that Stoneheart is heavily foreshadowed several times during the first three books, makes me think that George intended to bring Catelyn back fairly early on in the writing process, thus I don't see any reason to believe that he later regreted this decision.
Personally, I think Stoneheart was a stroke of genius, she's easily one of the most intriguing characters for me and I hope we'll see much more of her in future books (and in the show as well, I had hoped, but David and Dan have killed all my hopes).
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 17:05:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 17:27:06 GMT
Speaking of foreshadowing, I don't want to make a thread in the published book section, but I spotted this which I thought was neat:
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Post by kingeomer on May 28, 2015 17:38:35 GMT
Anyone think maybe GRRM requested they leave her out? He's said something about kinda regretting her in an interview, I believe. So its possible. Or if she dies with no casualties (Brienne/Jaime) in TWOW they just cut her. If Brienne dies this season then it's almost a guarantee LSH kills her anyway. It's hard to say why they cut her (or took so long to bring her in) if we don't know what happens. For her arc and Brienne's, Brienne should kill her. But who knows? Still think it would have been better then Brienne sitting in Winterfell for 5 episodes. At this point I feel LSH is a book only thing. I feel like there's always been mixed opinions on her anyway. For the people that like her (me) we have the book version. For people that hate her? Show version. D&D have never spoken about why she is not in the show as of yet. At last year's SDCC panel, a fan tried to ask them a question about her and Craig Ferguson shut them down, which leads me to believe that he was instructed to do so. That was always my nugget of hope for her being in the show because if they cut her...why not say something and explain your rationale? My hopes for LSH are so slim and I refuse to get them up because I just don't want to be angry about it again. I will say that I thought that was one of GRRM's best twists and I am not going to lie, when that Frey was hung at the end of book three, I cheered. I want her to get her revenge and then finally her rest when it's done. But Hibberd at EW has spilled enough ink over her not being on the show, I kind of feel like he ruined any surprise they could have had. I just have my expectation that, like others on here have said, the Blackfish might be a part of the BwB and at this point if we do see them, he'll be the one causing a ruckus in the Riverlands. I won't be surprised if there is some plot to have Edmure rescued, as long as they can get Tobias Menzies back. But if the show does wind up bringing LSH on, I certainly will be happy. |
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