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Post by King Tommen on May 23, 2015 18:44:12 GMT
I think people completely misread that NW meeting scene and it will be made clear pretty soon that Edd and Sam are his only true friends left.
And then Edd's going to die at Hardhome...
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Post by King Tommen on May 23, 2015 18:48:06 GMT
Not to mention that Edd is going to go to Hardhome and be confronted (for the 2nd time) with a massive White Walker threat. How can you go from that to thinking that stabbing Jon for his decision to try and get the Wildlings away from the Walkers is a priority? If anything, going to Hardhome would put you even more on Jon's side.
Which is why it will be easy and convenient for the guys who haven't seen the Walkers in the flesh like Thorne, Marsh, Yarwyck (and Olly) and are tucked nicely away at Castle Black to turn on Jon.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 19:05:39 GMT
If Edd dies I hope his corpse burns because we all know he doesn't want to rise and live this shit life a second time.  |
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Post by associatemaester on May 23, 2015 19:09:25 GMT
Dolorous Edd Stoneheart GET HYPE.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 20:00:44 GMT
I do not think Edd is going to die. Wasn't it bad enough they killed off Pyp and Grenn? I wish they hadn't done that, or at least left one other loyal friend from Jon's start at the wall - it just feels too barren. In the book it felt like he had more support around him to be honest.
I also agree Alliser Thorne will be the ringleader - but I have some complaint about that too - being it's so overly obvious kind of lessens the shock of it as it was in the books, but that's one of those I have to just realize has been overly simplified for the sake of the show I suppose.
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Post by King Tommen on May 23, 2015 21:01:50 GMT
I do not think Edd is going to die. Wasn't it bad enough they killed off Pyp and Grenn? I wish they hadn't done that, or at least left one other loyal friend from Jon's start at the wall - it just feels too barren. In the book it felt like he had more support around him to be honest. I also agree Alliser Thorne will be the ringleader - but I have some complaint about that too - being it's so overly obvious kind of lessens the shock of it as it was in the books, but that's one of those I have to just realize has been overly simplified for the sake of the show I suppose. See, I look at it differently in that in the books, the guys who murdered Jon were not his friends either and barely contained their contempt for him the entire book leading up to that event. They questioned every decision he made and were visibly angered every time he presented a plan to accommodate the Wildlings. It wasn't really presented as a "betrayal", these guys were on the verge of snapping for quite a while. Additionally, the show has given Thorne at least a begrudging level of respect for Jon. They had a nice conversation before the Battle at the Wall, Jon's been complimentary of him and he let them take Slynt away to be executed (presumably because he believed it was the right decision). The audience knows that they don't like each other but Thorne turning around and leading a group that will kill Jon will certainly be a massive shock. The whole idea with these characters (at least the senior NW men) is that they're bound by their duty and honour. You would think a lot of things about Thorne the way he's been presented, but to stick Jon in the back with a dagger isn't something you really think him capable of. In terms of Jon's friends all dying and leaving, I think that's the point in the books as well. When this happens and whatever the hell happens to Jon afterwards is clearing the decks at the Wall and the NW as it exists now won't be a thing anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 21:10:58 GMT
I do not think Edd is going to die. Wasn't it bad enough they killed off Pyp and Grenn? I wish they hadn't done that, or at least left one other loyal friend from Jon's start at the wall - it just feels too barren. In the book it felt like he had more support around him to be honest. I also agree Alliser Thorne will be the ringleader - but I have some complaint about that too - being it's so overly obvious kind of lessens the shock of it as it was in the books, but that's one of those I have to just realize has been overly simplified for the sake of the show I suppose. See, I look at it differently in that in the books, the guys who murdered Jon were not his friends either and barely contained their contempt for him the entire book leading up to that event. They questioned every decision he made and were visibly angered every time he presented a plan to accommodate the Wildlings. It wasn't really presented as a "betrayal", these guys were on the verge of snapping for quite a while. Additionally, the show has given Thorne at least a begrudging level of respect for Jon. They had a nice conversation before the Battle at the Wall, Jon's been complimentary of him and he let them take Slynt away to be executed (presumably because he believed it was the right decision). The audience knows that they don't like each other but Thorne turning around and leading a group that will kill Jon will certainly be a massive shock. The whole idea with these characters (at least the senior NW men) is that they're bound by their duty and honour. You would think a lot of things about Thorne the way he's been presented, but to stick Jon in the back with a dagger isn't something you really think him capable of. In terms of Jon's friends all dying and leaving, I think that's the point in the books as well. When this happens and whatever the hell happens to Jon afterwards is clearing the decks at the Wall and the NW as it exists now won't be a thing anymore. I can see your point about how Thorne's leadership might be seen as more of a shock since Jon entrusted him with Lead Ranger. That thought did cross my mind in that scene. He publicly approved of Thorne and that may have been to get the audience to think Thorne's now going to side with Jon - but no, a savvy watcher knows Thorne's still a complete jerk who hates Jon and just because he named him First Ranger isn't going to change that. I don't know how unsullied feel about it or if it will be more of a shock or not. The animosity towards Jon leading up to the deed was definitely there for quite awhile in the books, I agree. I am referring more to the seemingly lack of it on the show because of such a small cast of characters from which to draw that conclusion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 21:05:07 GMT
I do not think Edd is going to die. Wasn't it bad enough they killed off Pyp and Grenn? I wish they hadn't done that, or at least left one other loyal friend from Jon's start at the wall - it just feels too barren. In the book it felt like he had more support around him to be honest. I also agree Alliser Thorne will be the ringleader - but I have some complaint about that too - being it's so overly obvious kind of lessens the shock of it as it was in the books, but that's one of those I have to just realize has been overly simplified for the sake of the show I suppose. Seems like a bit of a rip... I was just starting to like Al as well. I think Olly will instigate it. I just hope Edd won't be in on it. I really like Edd, he deserves a lot more time on screen. He's a good character. I had high hopes for him after watchers on the wall. But this series, he's been really under utilized. Maybe, now that Jon is heading to Hardhome, likely with Edd in tow, we might get some more scenes... |
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