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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 16:46:26 GMT
Were people annoyed when she dropped the ring at the end of last season? I mean, come on, we knew that's what that was for. That Dothraki grass circle is ginormous. I think this is a highly silly thing to critique. If we're critiquing coincidences that make no sense, we should be asking how the hell Brienne and Pod stumbled on Theon and Sansa...wasn't Brienne just wandering the woods without Pod, killerating Stannis? She presumably went back to Pod, saw the candle in the tower, and took the horses. Then she would see Bolton men leaving Winterfell with hunting dogs, she'd just follow them in case they find Sansa. I'm more annoyed by the fact that she randomly found Stannis, while there were hundreds of corpses, with some Bolton men still running around.
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2016 16:49:32 GMT
Were people annoyed when she dropped the ring at the end of last season? I mean, come on, we knew that's what that was for. That Dothraki grass circle is ginormous. I think this is a highly silly thing to critique. If we're critiquing coincidences that make no sense, we should be asking how the hell Brienne and Pod stumbled on Theon and Sansa...wasn't Brienne just wandering the woods without Pod, killerating Stannis?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 16:50:44 GMT
JFC can't I find the power duo riding in the big field and finding bread crumbs funny? I agree it was probably a stretch to think they'd just come across the spot where the Dothraki happened to find her, but thousands of horses would definitely leave an obvious trail at that point. The show stretches plausibility quite a bit and we've come to accept that like we do Littlefinger's jetpacks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 16:50:49 GMT
Were people annoyed when she dropped the ring at the end of last season? I mean, come on, we knew that's what that was for. That Dothraki grass circle is ginormous. I think this is a highly silly thing to critique. If we're critiquing coincidences that make no sense, we should be asking how the hell Brienne and Pod stumbled on Theon and Sansa...wasn't Brienne just wandering the woods without Pod, killerating Stannis? She presumably went back to Pod, saw the candle in the tower, and took the horses. Then she would see Bolton men leaving Winterfell with hunting dogs, she'd just follow them in case they find Sansa. I'm more annoyed by the fact that she randomly found Stannis, while there were hundreds of corpses, with some Bolton men still running around. Yeah, this should have been her amazing surprise moment. I liked how her handling of the death made it respectful, but it's so unbelievable that she would happen upon Arya, then Sansa, then Stannis, then turn around and happen upon Sansa again. I hope her arc relies less on happy coincidence from here out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 16:51:56 GMT
Were people annoyed when she dropped the ring at the end of last season? I mean, come on, we knew that's what that was for. That Dothraki grass circle is ginormous. I think this is a highly silly thing to critique. If we're critiquing coincidences that make no sense, we should be asking how the hell Brienne and Pod stumbled on Theon and Sansa...wasn't Brienne just wandering the woods without Pod, killerating Stannis? LOL, see!? You have improved. That was kind of a jerk thing to say. Sorry!
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Post by Zadeth on Apr 27, 2016 16:52:40 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but HBO released Jaime's letter to Doran. For those who for some reason can't see it, if on mobile and it won't load or something, it reads: "The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria's head will appease her (I think) but it is a start, along with your nieces (spelt neices). Your son cannot stay in King's Landing, I am sending him back on the same ship." Jaime was sending Trystane back to Dorne, still doesn't explain how the Sand Snakes got on the boat when we last saw it on the Blackwater; unless they were not chronological, and Tryst's death happened as the ship was returning to Dorne.
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Post by Enid on Apr 27, 2016 16:56:03 GMT
Were people annoyed when she dropped the ring at the end of last season? I mean, come on, we knew that's what that was for. That Dothraki grass circle is ginormous. I think this is a highly silly thing to critique. If we're critiquing coincidences that make no sense, we should be asking how the hell Brienne and Pod stumbled on Theon and Sansa...wasn't Brienne just wandering the woods without Pod, killerating Stannis? Maybe Brienne heard Sansa has escaped and knew those guys were after her, so she followed them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 16:56:24 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but HBO released Jaime's letter to Doran. For those who for some reason can't see it, it reads: "The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria's head will be ample (I think) but it is a start, along with your nieces (spelt neices). Your son cannot stay in King's Landing, I am sending him back on the same ship." Jaime was sending Trystane back to Dorne, still doesn't explain how the Sand Snakes got on the boat when we last saw it on the Blackwater; unless they were not chronological, and Tryst's death happened as the ship was returning to Dorne. That's possible, but the establishing shot made it seem like it was still docked in KL.
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Post by Zadeth on Apr 27, 2016 17:01:14 GMT
That's possible, but the establishing shot made it seem like it was still docked in KL. That's my thought. I hope it's explained as to how they got on the ship and not just left to jetpack speculation. It would explain Bronn's absence if Trystane died on the way back to Dorne, unless Tryst wanted to be alone after Myrcella's corpse was being transported,` as he didn't get off in the small boat with Jaime and Myrcella's corpse; the only other people on that were 4-6 men rowing in crimson robes. Unless they're going to have Bronn fight Obara and Nym and, hopefully, kill both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:04:58 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but HBO released Jaime's letter to Doran. For those who for some reason can't see it, it reads: "The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria's head will be ample (I think) but it is a start, along with your nieces (spelt neices). Your son cannot stay in King's Landing, I am sending him back on the same ship." Jaime was sending Trystane back to Dorne, still doesn't explain how the Sand Snakes got on the boat when we last saw it on the Blackwater; unless they were not chronological, and Tryst's death happened as the ship was returning to Dorne. That's possible, but the establishing shot made it seem like it was still docked in KL. Very likely still in KL because he was painting the eyes for Myrcella's funeral. An act of mourning. I don't really see the problem. The boat anchored in the harbour. Jaime unloaded Myrcella onto a small, ceremonial boat in order to take her to land. He was on land for a small while consoling Cersei. The ship, meanwhile, was presumably being restocked with things such as food, drinking water, maybe trade goods, etc. as ships pretty much always do when docked (and airplanes etc). While the ship was docked, another one that Obara and Nym travelled on arrived. The got on with the probable cooperation of the Dornish crew.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:07:57 GMT
Were people annoyed when she dropped the ring at the end of last season? I mean, come on, we knew that's what that was for. That Dothraki grass circle is ginormous. I think this is a highly silly thing to critique. If we're critiquing coincidences that make no sense, we should be asking how the hell Brienne and Pod stumbled on Theon and Sansa...wasn't Brienne just wandering the woods without Pod, killerating Stannis? Maybe Brienne heard Sansa has escaped and knew those guys were after her, so she followed them Yeah, I guess this is the most likely scenario. Or as Roose said, maybe Pod saw the candle and found Brienne. I guess it's Brienne finding Stannis that was the real deus ex machina moment, which made this one seem too easy for me as well. Don't get me wrong, it was still one of my favorite parts of the episode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:25:23 GMT
Maybe Brienne heard Sansa has escaped and knew those guys were after her, so she followed them Yeah, I guess this is the most likely scenario. Or as Roose said, maybe Pod saw the candle and found Brienne. I guess it's Brienne finding Stannis that was the real deus ex machina moment, which made this one seem too easy for me as well. Don't get me wrong, it was still one of my favorite parts of the episode. I think Brienne and Pod probably heard the hounds as well.
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Post by Zadeth on Apr 27, 2016 17:34:29 GMT
Yeah, I guess this is the most likely scenario. Or as Roose said, maybe Pod saw the candle and found Brienne. I guess it's Brienne finding Stannis that was the real deus ex machina moment, which made this one seem too easy for me as well. Don't get me wrong, it was still one of my favorite parts of the episode. I think Brienne and Pod probably heard the hounds as well. Before they magically disappeared.
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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2016 17:39:26 GMT
Basically there's explanations for a lot of this stuff if you think about it enough, but then some of it is left unclear or with too much supposition. If they showed every step of every process we'd have a boring bogged-down mess, but then sometimes there are plot movements that it should be important to understand through concise storytelling and editing. Sometimes the show doesn't get that right but I much prefer that to showing too much unnecessary plotting.
There's some people for whom this is particularly irksome. I am not one of those, or else every piece of media trying to tell an epic would be frustrating to me. Combing through every scene for plot holes gets very tiring very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:42:18 GMT
I think Brienne and Pod probably heard the hounds as well. Before they magically disappeared. I think they were just scared off by the fighting, but who knows.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 27, 2016 17:51:01 GMT
Someone has to report what happened to Roose and Ramsey, so I presume it must be the dog handler who ran off and will be the one to tell them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:59:37 GMT
That's the nature of fiction, though. Every movie, show and book I know requires suspension of disbelief. It's just how it is. That's why I think this type of criticism is a little bit redundant. I pointed out the example of Aragorn finding Pippin's brooch in the LotR movies. Stuff like that happens all the time. I'm not sure why people like to criticise GoT as if it's something only this show does. Also, let's not mix probability and logic. Jorah finding that field is not impossible and illogical, it's just a little bit improbable. But improbable things happen all the time and fiction often aims at depicting things that DON'T happen. Fiction, while mirroring real life, shows us what COULD be, not what is. So if Brienne turns up the exact second Bolton soldiers are about to arrest Sansa, it's not a matter of logic, but of dramatic effect. Even universally praised shows like Breaking Bad do this (just think of the finale). In fact, every show I know does this. Also, what exactly would be the alternative? Let's take LF's infamous jetpack. Yes, they are absolutely stretching believability here, but do you want to see travelogues? I don't and this is not how TV works anyway. If they had gone down that route, I guarantee you, there would not be a TV show to discuss today. George can (barely) get away with endless travelogues, because of the much slower nature of novels. That being said, there are some logical fallacies on the show, I'm not denying that. But they don't occur as often as the more critical viewers think they do. Damn you, breakfest, you ninja'd me again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 18:05:58 GMT
Someone has to report what happened to Roose and Ramsey, so I presume it must be the dog handler who ran off and will be the one to tell them. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the next scene we get at Winterfell is the dog handler and dogs rushing back in to the courtyard and letting Ramsay and Roose know a "Bloody woman" and her squire just came and destroyed the hunting party. Roose and Ramsay need to know where Sansa's going (or at least guess where she's going) so they can plan their next move and the plot unfolds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 18:31:09 GMT
There are minor inconsistencies (the dogs seeming to disappear), which may or may not be inconsistencies. Maybe next scene we'll see the dog handler report the whole thing. Maybe we won't. It's not really a big deal. There are things that stretch believability, but are necessary for the plot to move along (finding Dany's ring). And then there is using one character over and over to shore up story lines, as has been done with Brienne. They've done it too many times now.
One of the things that's unique about Game of Thrones is it usually doesn't do that "the hero saves the day at the last moment" thing or any of the other feel-good tropes we expect from lesser stories. It makes sense to me that Brienne found Sansa while looking for her, but also stumbling upon Stannis AND showing up just in the nick of time. They're getting a little cliche with this if you ask me. I hope they get back to form as far as plotting goes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 18:40:02 GMT
There are minor inconsistencies (the dogs seeming to disappear), which may or may not be inconsistencies. Maybe next scene we'll see the dog handler report the whole thing. Maybe we won't. It's not really a big deal. There are things that stretch believability, but are necessary for the plot to move along (finding Dany's ring). And then there is using one character over and over to shore up story lines, as has been done with Brienne. They've done it too many times now. One of the things that's unique about Game of Thrones is it usually doesn't do that "the hero saves the day at the last moment" thing or any of the other feel-good tropes we expect from lesser stories. It makes sense to me that Brienne found Sansa while looking for her, but also stumbling upon Stannis AND showing up just in the nick of time. They're getting a little cliche with this if you ask me. I hope they get back to form as far as plotting goes. Brienne 1. randomly meets Arya & Sandor in 4x10 while travelling around the Vale 2. randomly passes Sansa & LF in 5x01 3. randomly happens to find Stannis on a battlefield in 5x10 Don't read the following, as you're an Unsullied (in a way) I wouldn't be surprised if she randomly met Sandor & Meribald too while on the road.
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