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Post by boojam on Mar 25, 2016 13:30:29 GMT
One thing I am most curious about , and I will have to wait and see when WoW comes out, which will be ....? We have major characters dead on the show who are not so on the page, Arianne gone, Young Griff is that really spinner story that goes no where? It is odd one gets the impression that D&D are spinning a Based-on Winds of Winter , maybe picking and choosing GRRM's broad strokes , but not an adaptation , I know , I know, it is already that way ... but then converge back to an adaptation by season 8?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 13:33:59 GMT
One thing I am most curious about , and I will have to wait and see when WoW comes out, which will be ....? We have major characters dead on the show who are not so on the page, Arianne gone, Young Griff is that really spinner story that goes no where? It is odd one gets the impression that D&D are spinning a Based-on Winds of Winter , maybe picking and choosing GRRM's broad strokes , but not an adaptation , I know , I know, it is already that way ... but then converge back to an adaptation by season 8? This has really been rankling me too. They've just admitted in recent interview that the two stories will exist side by side and not be the same at all so that nothing in the books is spoiled. But that means we're watching something entirely different now and I'm not sure I like that. They've done such a great job of 'adapting' so many of the characters and stories perfectly... far more than the ones they diverged and went a different way from. It concerns me the quality of the storytelling will suffer on top of the fact there could be two totally different outcomes to the end story now. It kinda sucks to be honest.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Mar 25, 2016 13:34:03 GMT
The Sandsnakes are pretty forgettable in the book too imo. Not as bad as the show of course, but Arianne is the heart of the Dornish storyline. They should have done her instead. D&D obviously thought the Sandsnakes would be these badass characters, but they fell about a mile short of that mark. It seem in the books that Dorne plays some role, maybe an important one, but right now it seems another one of George's balls-in-the-air that could be another ASoIaF shaggydog. Yeah Dorne is probably gonna play a huge part in Aegons storyline and eventual conflict with Daenerys in the books, but I really have no clue what part they are gonna play on the show now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 13:39:31 GMT
It seem in the books that Dorne plays some role, maybe an important one, but right now it seems another one of George's balls-in-the-air that could be another ASoIaF shaggydog. Yeah Dorne is probably gonna play a huge part in Aegons storyline and eventual conflict with Daenerys in the books, but I really have no clue what part they are gonna play on the show now. I was really surprised by the exclusion of Aegon from the show. Whether he's fake or not (or even knows it) was interesting and either way added more 'game' to the throne. I realize they had to cut stuff somewhere because there's just too much story to tell even with an ongoing series worth of hours to do so ... no way to fit it all in.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Mar 25, 2016 14:07:16 GMT
My short answer would probably be everything but the Sand Snakes. Edit: haha, @envie . Sadly, the Sand Snakes will go down in show history as the butt (or bad pussy) of all jokes. It's one of the very few areas I felt the writers just didn't have a good grasp on the character personalities of those women at all. How can old George be SO good at writing fierce women? He's awesome. Honestly, I found the Sand Snakes very underwhelming in the books too. But yeah, I agree with everyone else, they are the lamest character to ever grace this show. I don't understand why D&D didn't just cast Arianne and made some version of the Queenmaker plot. It could have worked even sending Bronn and Jaime there! And I really, really hope that Doran has a plan in the show, and this season is revealed. The rumoured Varys-Olenna-Doran meeting sounds promising.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Mar 25, 2016 14:13:01 GMT
Yeah Dorne is probably gonna play a huge part in Aegons storyline and eventual conflict with Daenerys in the books, but I really have no clue what part they are gonna play on the show now. I was really surprised by the exclusion of Aegon from the show. Whether he's fake or not (or even knows it) was interesting and either way added more 'game' to the throne. I realize they had to cut stuff somewhere because there's just too much story to tell even with an ongoing series worth of hours to do so ... no way to fit it all in. I'm not gonna miss him in the show. His storyline bored me to tears. But yeah, I know there are a lot of readers who miss him, so it's just a personal opinion . I'm more in the "I miss Coldhands, LSH and Arianne" camp.
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Post by Basil on Mar 25, 2016 14:16:18 GMT
Sadly, the Sand Snakes will go down in show history as the butt (or bad pussy) of all jokes. It's one of the very few areas I felt the writers just didn't have a good grasp on the character personalities of those women at all. How can old George be SO good at writing fierce women? He's awesome. Honestly, I found the Sand Snakes very underwhelming in the books too. But yeah, I agree with everyone else, they are the lamest character to ever grace this show. I don't understand why D&D didn't just cast Arianne and made some version of the Queenmaker plot. It could have worked even sending Bronn and Jaime there! And I really, really hope that Doran has a plan in the show, and this season is revealed. The rumoured Varys-Olenna-Doran meeting sounds promising. That would have been great. I like the Sand Snakes in the books just fine, cuz they're all so unique and colourful, but the show version was lame, they were basically three mini-Oberyns, but they all lacked the charme and personality of Pedro Pascal. Also the writing wasn't particularly good, the acting wasn't great and even the costumes were kinda lame (imo).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 14:19:32 GMT
I was really surprised by the exclusion of Aegon from the show. Whether he's fake or not (or even knows it) was interesting and either way added more 'game' to the throne. I realize they had to cut stuff somewhere because there's just too much story to tell even with an ongoing series worth of hours to do so ... no way to fit it all in. I'm not gonna miss him in the show. His storyline bored me to tears. But yeah, I know there are a lot of readers who miss him, so it's just a personal opinion . I'm more in the "I miss Coldhands, LSH and Arianne" camp. Hey it's all good and I enjoy the fact that the stories are so widely varied in appreciation and enjoyment - that's what makes it appealing to such a diverse fan base. I am indifferent about Coldhands, mildly disappointed in LSH exclusion and only partly interested in Arianne's story but I think that last bit is because I didn't pay attention enough to the Dorne story in the last books and should give it a proper re-analysis on re-read. Aegon's story I did enjoy. I've read plenty of people disliked the whole journey to Westeros thing, but I actually liked it, maybe because it was from Tyrion's POV and I like anything from Tyrion's POV! Mostly I liked the implications of what a mess adding "Aegon" to the already big mess was going to bring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 3:33:43 GMT
I'm not gonna miss him in the show. His storyline bored me to tears. But yeah, I know there are a lot of readers who miss him, so it's just a personal opinion . I'm more in the "I miss Coldhands, LSH and Arianne" camp. Hey it's all good and I enjoy the fact that the stories are so widely varied in appreciation and enjoyment - that's what makes it appealing to such a diverse fan base. I am indifferent about Coldhands, mildly disappointed in LSH exclusion and only partly interested in Arianne's story but I think that last bit is because I didn't pay attention enough to the Dorne story in the last books and should give it a proper re-analysis on re-read. Aegon's story I did enjoy. I've read plenty of people disliked the whole journey to Westeros thing, but I actually liked it, maybe because it was from Tyrion's POV and I like anything from Tyrion's POV! Mostly I liked the implications of what a mess adding "Aegon" to the already big mess was going to bring. me too! i got excited at the prospect of another Targaryen as well.. that quickly died when i read threads on AFOIAF lol but still
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Mar 26, 2016 9:03:41 GMT
Hey it's all good and I enjoy the fact that the stories are so widely varied in appreciation and enjoyment - that's what makes it appealing to such a diverse fan base. I am indifferent about Coldhands, mildly disappointed in LSH exclusion and only partly interested in Arianne's story but I think that last bit is because I didn't pay attention enough to the Dorne story in the last books and should give it a proper re-analysis on re-read. Aegon's story I did enjoy. I've read plenty of people disliked the whole journey to Westeros thing, but I actually liked it, maybe because it was from Tyrion's POV and I like anything from Tyrion's POV! Mostly I liked the implications of what a mess adding "Aegon" to the already big mess was going to bring. me too! i got excited at the prospect of another Targaryen as well.. that quickly died when i read threads on AFOIAF lol but still I'm convinced he's Blackfyre though so even if he's fake he's not thaaaat fake
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 10:06:27 GMT
One thing I am most curious about , and I will have to wait and see when WoW comes out, which will be ....? We have major characters dead on the show who are not so on the page, Arianne gone, Young Griff is that really spinner story that goes no where? It is odd one gets the impression that D&D are spinning a Based-on Winds of Winter , maybe picking and choosing GRRM's broad strokes , but not an adaptation , I know , I know, it is already that way ... but then converge back to an adaptation by season 8? This has really been rankling me too. They've just admitted in recent interview that the two stories will exist side by side and not be the same at all so that nothing in the books is spoiled. But that means we're watching something entirely different now and I'm not sure I like that. They've done such a great job of 'adapting' so many of the characters and stories perfectly... far more than the ones they diverged and went a different way from. It concerns me the quality of the storytelling will suffer on top of the fact there could be two totally different outcomes to the end story now. It kinda sucks to be honest. I think they are playing with semantics because in the same interview they say that the "key elements" will be the same and they have said over and over agin that we are getting the same ending. We've obviously seen storylines that have changed due to character omission or death but the major storylines for the main characters have stayed pretty close to their book counterparts. I think in that is where the endings will be close to each other because it's the main characters ending that will dominate the book story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 12:14:04 GMT
me too! i got excited at the prospect of another Targaryen as well.. that quickly died when i read threads on AFOIAF lol but still I'm convinced he's Blackfyre though so even if he's fake he's not thaaaat fake I don't think it even matters whether he's fake or not. But I'm too in the Blackfyre camp. Do you think that Illyrio is his father?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 15:23:26 GMT
This has really been rankling me too. They've just admitted in recent interview that the two stories will exist side by side and not be the same at all so that nothing in the books is spoiled. But that means we're watching something entirely different now and I'm not sure I like that. They've done such a great job of 'adapting' so many of the characters and stories perfectly... far more than the ones they diverged and went a different way from. It concerns me the quality of the storytelling will suffer on top of the fact there could be two totally different outcomes to the end story now. It kinda sucks to be honest. I think they are playing with semantics because in the same interview they say that the "key elements" will be the same and they have said over and over agin that we are getting the same ending. We've obviously seen storylines that have changed due to character omission or death but the major storylines for the main characters have stayed pretty close to their book counterparts. I think in that is where the endings will be close to each other because it's the main characters ending that will dominate the book story. Thanks for pointing out the 'key elements' bit - makes sense they're being vague about it to preserve their own writing freedom while maintaining the basic core story GRRM has in mind. I just can't imagine him being 'ok' with a totally different story and ending after all the effort and years put into both the books and the show now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 12:51:42 GMT
I think they are playing with semantics because in the same interview they say that the "key elements" will be the same and they have said over and over agin that we are getting the same ending. We've obviously seen storylines that have changed due to character omission or death but the major storylines for the main characters have stayed pretty close to their book counterparts. I think in that is where the endings will be close to each other because it's the main characters ending that will dominate the book story. Thanks for pointing out the 'key elements' bit - makes sense they're being vague about it to preserve their own writing freedom while maintaining the basic core story GRRM has in mind. I just can't imagine him being 'ok' with a totally different story and ending after all the effort and years put into both the books and the show now. And I don't think they'd want to tell a different ending, they obviously love GRRM's story but they've had to make changes and those changes are part of the "butterfly effect" which begets even more changes. but I think that they've always had GRRM's ending in mind and while many characters and story lines weer in different directions they'll all join up one way or another.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Mar 29, 2016 0:58:34 GMT
I'm convinced he's Blackfyre though so even if he's fake he's not thaaaat fake I don't think it even matters whether he's fake or not. But I'm too in the Blackfyre camp. Do you think that Illyrio is his father? That's what I think, yeah. Illyrio is a major player in the shadows and his card is fAegon.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Mar 29, 2016 2:58:49 GMT
Thanks for pointing out the 'key elements' bit - makes sense they're being vague about it to preserve their own writing freedom while maintaining the basic core story GRRM has in mind. I just can't imagine him being 'ok' with a totally different story and ending after all the effort and years put into both the books and the show now. And I don't think they'd want to tell a different ending, they obviously love GRRM's story but they've had to make changes and those changes are part of the "butterfly effect" which begets even more changes. but I think that they've always had GRRM's ending in mind and while many characters and story lines weer in different directions they'll all join up one way or another. I think they were just using a limited definition of spoiling in that, as in the show can never ruin the books for book fans because they're separate enough entities that there will still be new material if/when a new book comes out. But they can't escape the fact that they've already revealed things from the books by confirming that the Crasterlings become white walkers and that Valyrian Steel kills white walkers, and of course showing Shireen's death early. Even if the circumstances of her burning are very different in the books, it's still a spoiler to know that she dies that way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 18:42:55 GMT
And I don't think they'd want to tell a different ending, they obviously love GRRM's story but they've had to make changes and those changes are part of the "butterfly effect" which begets even more changes. but I think that they've always had GRRM's ending in mind and while many characters and story lines weer in different directions they'll all join up one way or another. I think they were just using a limited definition of spoiling in that, as in the show can never ruin the books for book fans because they're separate enough entities that there will still be new material if/when a new book comes out. But they can't escape the fact that they've already revealed things from the books by confirming that the Crasterlings become white walkers and that Valyrian Steel kills white walkers, and of course showing Shireen's death early. Even if the circumstances of her burning are very different in the books, it's still a spoiler to know that she dies that way. We'll still get the ending spoiler but that doesn't bother me. The stories are divergent enough that you can still enjoy the books and find surprises in them. And of course they very well might reach the ending in different ways.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Mar 30, 2016 1:30:58 GMT
I think they were just using a limited definition of spoiling in that, as in the show can never ruin the books for book fans because they're separate enough entities that there will still be new material if/when a new book comes out. But they can't escape the fact that they've already revealed things from the books by confirming that the Crasterlings become white walkers and that Valyrian Steel kills white walkers, and of course showing Shireen's death early. Even if the circumstances of her burning are very different in the books, it's still a spoiler to know that she dies that way. We'll still get the ending spoiler but that doesn't bother me. The stories are divergent enough that you can still enjoy the books and find surprises in them. And of course they very well might reach the ending in different ways. It's the wisest thing to do now. See both versions of the story, and value them separately. Different media require different storytelling and none is more valid than the other. And I have never been bothered by spoilers, so I will enjoy the show and (with or without spoilers) I will enjoy very much the books when they come out.
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