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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 21:18:10 GMT
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Sept 27, 2015 23:38:28 GMT
It isn't a theory. Old Nan said it, which makes it true. (Word of George) And it was just some random Brandon. There being some truth to it is clear, but when it comes to GRRM's ancient prophecies they're contorted a bit with time.
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Post by Nezzer on Sept 28, 2015 9:17:14 GMT
Fresh news: lossietereinos.com/descubriendo-secretos-en-el-castillo-de-zafra-la-torre-de-la-alegria/Confirmed:-Bran Stark will be present in the ToJ scene. Probably walk around his vision invisible to the other people. -Lyanna Stark and another unknown woman will be part of the scene too. -14 horses will be used. -These guys are some of the actors (or extras) involved in the scene (I think the guy in the far right is our young Ned): Unconfirmed: -Directed by Jack Bender, so probably in episode 6. -Barristan Selmy could be present.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 10:47:11 GMT
Why would Barristan be present?
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Sept 28, 2015 12:44:58 GMT
Why would Barristan be present? Book to Show Stuff: Barristan was also present at the Trident in the show. And he and Ned never met "on the field." So he can't be part of the kingsguard at the ToJ if Ned is there ...I guess he could be part of Ned's entourage but then he would become a weird part of the R+L=J saga. Doesn't make a lot of sense. He does say he saw him cut down a "dozen great knights" but 3=/=dozen, so it shouldn't be talking about the ToJ. Plus this scene is written like Barristan and Ned have never truly had a chance to talk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 15:13:23 GMT
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Post by morgantayler on Sept 28, 2015 17:48:28 GMT
I really don't think Bender is directing this scene. My stance is that Daniel Sackheim is doing it.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Sept 28, 2015 19:44:11 GMT
Woah woah woah, let's back up a second. I don't think Javi ever "confirmed" that it was the Tower of Joy except out of conjure.
When Sue cites the article, she never says she confirmed it with her own sources:
In his piece where he confirmed it, Javi cites this (rough google translation):
So it sounds like this was confirmed as the Tower of Joy because "Arthur Dayne" would be filming there at the same time. Thus, it would be the Tower of Joy.
Well that's not actually confirming it.
So no apparent Ned, men fighting on 14 warhorses, rumor of younger Barristan being there, "massive."
Doesn't sound like the Tower of Joy, and yes, I'm prepared to fully eat crow and rebuttals on this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 19:47:21 GMT
Woah woah woah, let's back up a second. I don't think Javi ever "confirmed" that it was the Tower of Joy except out of conjure. When Sue cites the article, she never says she confirmed it with her own sources: In his piece where he confirmed it, Javi cites this (rough google translation): So it sounds like this was confirmed as the Tower of Joy because "Arthur Dayne" would be filming there at the same time. Thus, it would be the Tower of Joy. Well that's not actually confirming it. So no apparent Ned, men fighting on 14 warhorses, rumor of younger Barristan being there, "massive." Doesn't sound like the Tower of Joy, and yes, I'm prepared to fully eat crow and rebuttals on this. Wait. You don't think this is ToJ? Wtf could it possibly be? Why would Bran be there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 19:58:38 GMT
Just because Sue never said she ran it by her sources doesn't mean she didn't, Admiral. And L7R's sources seem to be pretty damn good besides that. But by all means bring your argument to the WOTW comments and see how she responds...
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Sept 28, 2015 19:59:28 GMT
Wait. You don't think this is ToJ? Wtf could it possibly be? Why would Bran be there? I wrote a large thing on reddit about why it wouldn't be the Tower of Joy months and months ago. I thought it would be Barristan, Dayne, and Jaime versus the Kingswood Brotherhood, considering D&D have an apparent hard-on for this event: Jaime telling "War Stories" with Bobby and BarryJoffrey going over the White BookJaime recounting his war stories againThat said, after it was confirmed as the Tower of Joy, I pretty much folded on it, still thought it wasn't a great idea considered they'd want to save it for a potential prequel, but now I don't know. I think it's still the ToJ, but then again I thought Sansa wouldn't go to Winterfell after I did so I don't know. Just because Sue never said she ran it by her sources doesn't mean she didn't, Admiral. And L7R's sources seem to be pretty damn good besides that. But by all means bring your argument to the WOTW comments and see how she responds... I'm not saying L7R's sources are wrong, I'm saying this seems like it was pieced together based on conjure from the sources, rather coming directly from the sources. I'm still totally expecting that piece to be wrong just... I wanted to raise the issue on how much we might be relying on one person's interpretation of the material and not the actual information learned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 20:50:38 GMT
Yet you have no other evidence or argument for what that set location, actor, horses, extras and filming might be used for if not the Tower of Joy? That's like saying ... here is a round crust, and over there is some cheese, and here we have some sauce ... we only have rumor of pepperoni though so ... it might not be a pizza!
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Post by morgantayler on Sept 28, 2015 21:06:09 GMT
There is literally no reason for Bran to be present on set for this scene if it isn't the TOJ.
I wonder how Bran will be seeing this though because so far from what we've seen, he isn't present as himself when he wargs through the weirwoods. So maybe it will be shown to him as a dream, like the one he had that Jojen appeared in.
But the again, Bran's dreams have been prophecies and not visions of the past so I don't know how it will work....lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 21:11:46 GMT
There is literally no reason for Bran to be present on set for this scene if it isn't the TOJ. I wonder how Bran will be seeing this though because so far from what we've seen, he isn't present as himself when he wargs through the weirwoods. So maybe it will be shown to him as a dream, like the one he had that Jojen appeared in. But the again, Bran's dreams have been prophecies and not visions of the past so I don't know how it will work....lol That's what I said a week ago! I said "I don't see why Bran would need to be in the same set location because if he's seeing this as a 'vision' then he's still somewhere else" ... and everyone said no, he could be there seeing it 1st person like a dream-walk. Then lo and behold they say Isaac is there in that location (though we've had no photo confirmation on that, just LSR saying he is there) so then the dots are connected that he must be involved with the scene somehow directly. I'm still a little uncertain on that detail. I am absolutely certain, with all the info we've had since filming started that this is the Tower of Joy and like you guys said, I'm a high percentage certain Eddie Eyre is our "Legendary swordsman" Ser Arthur Dayne. The further info today about the horses, extras and women just clinches it pretty much. I'm still wobbly on the fact we've had no real info/scoop about who is cast for younger Ned Stark, or any of the other men (who yes, could just be extras with no speaking parts). I think the "young stunner" who supposedly filmed back in early August could also have been casting call for Lyanna.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Sept 28, 2015 22:13:08 GMT
Yet you have no other evidence or argument for what that set location, actor, horses, extras and filming might be used for if not the Tower of Joy? That's like saying ... here is a round crust, and over there is some cheese, and here we have some sauce ... we only have rumor of pepperoni though so ... it might not be a pizza! To your first point... no, read above. To the analogy... I'm saying it's possible the person telling you there is round crust, cheese, and sauce really doesn't know there is anything more than cheese, and is making assumptions for you and presenting them as facts based on an oven being involved and you're trusting too much in this person's interpretive accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 22:47:42 GMT
Yet you have no other evidence or argument for what that set location, actor, horses, extras and filming might be used for if not the Tower of Joy? That's like saying ... here is a round crust, and over there is some cheese, and here we have some sauce ... we only have rumor of pepperoni though so ... it might not be a pizza! To your first point... no, read above. To the analogy... I'm saying it's possible the person telling you there is round crust, cheese, and sauce really doesn't know there is anything more than cheese, and is making assumptions for you and presenting them as facts based on an oven being involved and you're trusting too much in this person's interpretive accuracy. So you're telling me all the filming photos you're seeing this week are just cheese. Ok. Nothing more here to debate. All of us here will take the blue pill please.
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 29, 2015 15:45:33 GMT
Is it possible they're wrong about Selmy? Because that makes no sense for ToJ.
Unless D&D are trying to retcon their own show again like they did with the number of children Robert and Cersei each had.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 16:35:52 GMT
Is it possible they're wrong about Selmy? Because that makes no sense for ToJ. That was said to only be a rumour IIRC. Maybe someone said "old kingsguard" or something and the source got confused?
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Post by morgantayler on Sept 29, 2015 17:21:24 GMT
Is it possible they're wrong about Selmy? Because that makes no sense for ToJ. That was said to only be a rumour IIRC. Maybe someone said "old kingsguard" or something and the source got confused? Maybe someone could be Gerold Hightower? He doesn't have to be named necessarily but they could have an older looking KG with them.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Sept 29, 2015 17:45:05 GMT
The rumor might have come from those guys sitting at the table talking. Javi mentioned he listed in to their conversation a bit. Maybe one was like "Yeah, Bender...blah blah blah...wanted us to make sure we got...something something something... Barristan."
Who knows. Maybe they were just talking about Futurama and an episode where Bender hit on a barista.
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