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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 7:29:32 GMT
Well, people don't give a shit about any new character until they get to know them. So I think it would work like all of s1's intros did and all of the new characters' intros have subsequently. My guess is they'd have to focus on Ned and Robert early on in an RR miniseries though to give the audience a familiar-ish point in which to enter the narrative. I feel like the success of this show is lightning in a bottle. Its biggest strengths are the unique characters and unpredictable nature of the storyline, something a prequel or spin-off probably won't be able to replicate with the same success. We know how Robert's Rebellion ends, and it doesn't feature the Dinklage. I'd rather see this franchise end on a high note than a whimper. That could well be true. But it sounds like Lombardo's still gonna try it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 8:35:04 GMT
I feel like the success of this show is lightning in a bottle. Its biggest strengths are the unique characters and unpredictable nature of the storyline, something a prequel or spin-off probably won't be able to replicate with the same success. We know how Robert's Rebellion ends, and it doesn't feature the Dinklage. I'd rather see this franchise end on a high note than a whimper. That could well be true. But it sounds like Lombardo's still gonna try it. Well, I can't say I blame him, the success of this show has been phenomenal, much to the displeasure of a certain fan forum...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 8:44:31 GMT
That could well be true. But it sounds like Lombardo's still gonna try it. Well, I can't say I blame him, the success of this show has been phenomenal, much to the displeasure of a certain fan forum... I'm sure they'll all watch along anyways. And on "ranting and raving" volume 900 they'll be complaining that Rhaegar should be playing a harp instead of a lute and that that's character assassination because his choice of instrument is an integral part of his character. And on volume 1500 they'll be complaining that the guy playing Dunk should be eight feet tall instead of 6'4 and that people aren't saying "words are wind" as much as they ought to. Then they'll complain that people aren't calling Aerion "Brightflame" quite enough and that they think the new fandom subsection they like to put down the "Dunk and Egg Unsullied" might get his name confused with Aegon because of that and how they're better fans because they know how to spell those names. And then somewhere after all of that ADOS part 2 will come out...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 14:20:38 GMT
Well, I can't say I blame him, the success of this show has been phenomenal, much to the displeasure of a certain fan forum... I'm sure they'll all watch along anyways. And on "ranting and raving" volume 900 they'll be complaining that Rhaegar should be playing a harp instead of a lute and that that's character assassination because his choice of instrument is an integral part of his character. And on volume 1500 they'll be complaining that the guy playing Dunk should be eight feet tall instead of 6'4 and that people aren't saying "words are wind" as much as they ought to. Then they'll complain that people aren't calling Aerion "Brightflame" quite enough and that they think the new fandom subsection they like to put down the "Dunk and Egg Unsullied" might get his name confused with Aegon because of that and how they're better fans because they know how to spell those names. And then somewhere after all of that ADOS part 2 will come out...
George 2.0 will still be computing part 1 at that point. ADOS part 2 in only 30 years? That's a little too optimistic, don't you think? Here's a picture of George 2.0... For future reference.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 15:05:59 GMT
Is anybody else skeptical about the success of any spin-off series? The die-hard fans of the books would certainly tune in, but would non-readers give a shit about Rhaegar and Lyanna? Would they really get into a show without Tyrion, Jon, Arya, and Khaleesi? Hell, I spend a ton of time posting on a forum like this, but even I haven't bothered to read the Dunk and Egg stories. If you think about it, not many in television world knew or understood what ASOIAF was when D&D got the green light to make it into a series. They took a risk putting it on such a mainstream channel and it could have been a complete flop except they were betting HBO could pull it off with the right amount of violence, boobs and special effects (which the books have aplenty) so it worked and the non-book world has embraced it with the level of enthusiasm the original Star Wars hysteria generated when I was a kid. So no, I'm not as worried that fans might not give a shit about a spin off of characters who came before GoT. If anything, they will give a shit far more because the show has sparked their interest. I see tons of people picking up the book series over the summer based on their love of the show so every day it gathers new generations of fans. My own son, who is 20, is now a second generation ASOIAF fan through me and the show. He wasn't mature enough to read the books before (a few years back for example), but since he's now watched the show and is a huge fan, he's taking the time to read the books. I'm surprised by how young fans are on reddit, on westeros, and even here. I'm old enough to be Mom to a few here but I think it's fantastic. It's like passing on the legacy of Lord of the Rings, or Star Wars to your kids. I think once fans have embraced the world as much as they have in the past few years, anything that comes from it will be popular. Maybe not as popular as the original, but enough so that HBO would make more money from it. They probably make more money in merchandise than they do actual HBO subs. Franchise is big business.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 3:55:11 GMT
i think 8 seasons will feel too long now, since they streamlined season 5 it will feel like a season of filler
i think they'll probably do a 7.5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 4:58:57 GMT
i think 8 seasons will feel too long now, since they streamlined season 5 it will feel like a season of filler i think they'll probably do a 7.5 I guess that depends on how much of TWOW and ADOS are worth televising. If ASOS was worth two seasons, it could well be that what GrrM's told them about the last two books is worth a season and a half each. The decision to cut much of AFFC and ADWD doesn't necessarily mean that the rest of the story will be similarly streamlined. We'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 10:43:48 GMT
80 episodes seems too much. 75 would be better. I'm afraid it'll drag.
I couldn't care less about spin-offs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 10:54:05 GMT
80 episodes seems too much. 75 would be better. I'm afraid it'll drag. I couldn't care less about spin-offs. I'd become very used to the idea of seven seasons only or seven and a half and had grown to like that prospect, but who knows. If either TWOW or ADOS or both are ASOS quality, maybe they could use the extra screentime. I guess we'll find out.
And I think a RR miniseries would be good TV if done right. Maybe not quite GoT quality but it would help with the withdrawal I'm sure a ton of us will be experiencing when the show finishes at least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:23:08 GMT
80 episodes seems too much. 75 would be better. I'm afraid it'll drag. I couldn't care less about spin-offs. I'd become very used to the idea of seven seasons only or seven and a half and had grown to like that prospect, but who knows. If either TWOW or ADOS or both are ASOS quality, maybe they could use the extra screentime. I guess we'll find out.
And I think a RR miniseries would be good TV if done right. Maybe not quite GoT quality but it would help with the withdrawal I'm sure a ton of us will be experiencing when the show finishes at least.
I think GRRM has said that at least TWoW will be bigger than ADwD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:28:01 GMT
I'd become very used to the idea of seven seasons only or seven and a half and had grown to like that prospect, but who knows. If either TWOW or ADOS or both are ASOS quality, maybe they could use the extra screentime. I guess we'll find out.
And I think a RR miniseries would be good TV if done right. Maybe not quite GoT quality but it would help with the withdrawal I'm sure a ton of us will be experiencing when the show finishes at least.
I think GRRM has said that at least TWoW will be bigger than ADwD. That one we might find out before the show ends. ADOS on the other hand we may never get. Still, I hope they're more eventful and not split by location and POV like the last two books. It's too early to guess that for sure though, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:52:19 GMT
I think GRRM has said that at least TWoW will be bigger than ADwD. That one we might find out before the show ends. ADOS on the other hand we may never get. Still, I hope they're more eventful and not split by location and POV like the last two books. It's too early to guess that for sure though, I guess. I think TWoW - 2016 ADoS - 2018 - 2021
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 2, 2015 13:00:33 GMT
After all the time where it seemed that seven years would be all we get, this is actually a very nice surprise. Contrary to some, I don't think 3 more full seasons are in the danger of dragging out the story. We have every reason to believe that Winds and Dream will be huge books, much closer to ASoS than to ADwD where plot progression is concerned. So, 1.5 seasons per book? Sounds just about right.
The only thing that gives me (a bit of) pause is whether there's enough meat on the bones in ALL the separate storylines. I don't doubt that Jon, Tyrion, Dany, Arya, etc. will have enough stuff to do; characters like Bran might be problematic if the writers can't come up with appropriate season-long arcs for them.
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2015 13:17:40 GMT
It really bothers me how they don't seem to do long term planning with this show - after 3rd season? OH MY GOD let's speed up! And we get rushed 4th and 5th season. And now it turns out it's gonna go a season longer? What are they doing?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 13:24:44 GMT
It really bothers me how they don't seem to do long term planning with this show - after 3rd season? OH MY GOD let's speed up! And we get rushed 4th and 5th season. And now it turns out it's gonna go a season longer? What are they doing? This suggestion of 8 seasons has come from HBO, not D&D. And HBO have been pretty consistent with their hopes/wishes of it going longer, but D&D themselves haven't (afaik) said anything recently to suggest that they might do more than 7 seasons. And even if they do an 8th, they have never completely ruled it out, have they? Haven't they always said "most likely 7, maybe 8"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 13:33:49 GMT
After all the time where it seemed that seven years would be all we get, this is actually a very nice surprise. Contrary to some, I don't think 3 more full seasons are in the danger of dragging out the story. We have every reason to believe that Winds and Dream will be huge books, much closer to ASoS than to ADwD where plot progression is concerned. So, 1.5 seasons per book? Sounds just about right. The only thing that gives me (a bit of) pause is whether there's enough meat on the bones in ALL the separate storylines. I don't doubt that Jon, Tyrion, Dany, Arya, etc. will have enough stuff to do; characters like Bran might be problematic if the writers can't come up with appropriate season-long arcs for them. Welcome to the board, another filthy show apologist like Konrad and I.
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Post by kingeomer on Aug 2, 2015 13:51:09 GMT
It really bothers me how they don't seem to do long term planning with this show - after 3rd season? OH MY GOD let's speed up! And we get rushed 4th and 5th season. And now it turns out it's gonna go a season longer? What are they doing? This suggestion of 8 seasons has come from HBO, not D&D. And HBO have been pretty consistent with their hopes/wishes of it going longer, but D&D themselves haven't (afaik) said anything recently to suggest that they might do more than 7 seasons. And even if they do an 8th, they have never completely ruled it out, have they? Haven't they always said "most likely 7, maybe 8"? I believe it was one of the D's who said recently they can't see the show going near hundred hours but definitely 70 or some more. I still think the 8 seasons is going to wind up being a 7th season split in two of 8 episodes each. HBO definitely wants more seasons of GoT, it's their signature show and right now, they have no show in the wings that is showing signs of taking it's place. When the Sopranos ended in 2007, the buzz for the debut of True Blood was strong and when GoT debuted in 2011, True Blood was still getting some really good ratings...so GoT had time to grow into the ratings powerhouse it is now. HBO has got to hoping that one of their new dramas will grow into a hit while GoT is around. So I can totally see why Lombardo is saying 8 seasons and a miniseries in GoT universe...as long D&D, GRRM and co. are on board. GRRM definitely would be. D&D, on the other hand, seem like they are leaning to moving on. I wish the show and HBO had mapped out an endgame much sooner then this (even now, I doubt it's mapped out. HBO wants more...D&D are uncertain how much more they are willing to do)...perhaps they could have planned some arcs better (i.e. post RW response). I think Robert's Rebellion would be a natural choice for a miniseries especially since the non book reading audience is familiar with Ned, Robert, Stannis, Aerys/Rhaegar, very young Viserys, perhaps young Renly, Elia Martell, Catelyn, Cersei, Jaime, Tywin...but you are right...no Dinklage and Tyrion probably wouldn't even figure into this one at all. You'd have the birth Jon, Robb, Dany all happening within the series (probably towards the end). They could even get some names to full those roles since it would most likely be a miniseries.
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2015 14:13:25 GMT
It really bothers me how they don't seem to do long term planning with this show - after 3rd season? OH MY GOD let's speed up! And we get rushed 4th and 5th season. And now it turns out it's gonna go a season longer? What are they doing? This suggestion of 8 seasons has come from HBO, not D&D. And HBO have been pretty consistent with their hopes/wishes of it going longer, but D&D themselves haven't (afaik) said anything recently to suggest that they might do more than 7 seasons. And even if they do an 8th, they have never completely ruled it out, have they? Haven't they always said "most likely 7, maybe 8"? So there is a clear miscommunication between HBO and the writers. Season 4 and 5 feel so rushed comparing to first 3 season and book readers know how much stuff was cut. Now they are extending the show, even though the writers leaned towards 7 season. It's a mess.
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Post by boojam on Aug 2, 2015 16:01:43 GMT
It really bothers me how they don't seem to do long term planning with this show - after 3rd season? OH MY GOD let's speed up! And we get rushed 4th and 5th season. And now it turns out it's gonna go a season longer? What are they doing? This suggestion of 8 seasons has come from HBO, not D&D. And HBO have been pretty consistent with their hopes/wishes of it going longer, but D&D themselves haven't (afaik) said anything recently to suggest that they might do more than 7 seasons. And even if they do an 8th, they have never completely ruled it out, have they? Haven't they always said "most likely 7, maybe 8"? I am thinking this may have come from through the backdoor by way of George R R Martin. Not that he would ever admit it! Well ... before season 5 David Benioff did say 7.5 which may be an indication HBO had been talking to them about this. March 19 2014 "It all depends on how long the main series runs," Martin told The Hollywood Reporter on Wednesday following the season-four premiere of the hit HBO series in New York. "Do we run for seven years? Do we run for eight? Do we run for 10? The books get bigger and bigger (in scope). It might need a feature to tie things up, something with a feature budget, like $100 million for two hours. Those dragons get real big, you know." July 25 2013 “As far as I’m concerned, it can go on as long as there are stories to tell,” explained Lombardo. “I know there are issues with the book and catching up. We certainly haven’t gotten near that conversation with David [Benioff] and David [Weiss].” linkI still think it's combination of unexpected success , not having something as buzz-worthy on the back burner and competition with all the other streamers now. I think all this was buzzing around HBO and then season five's numbers pulled the trigger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 16:53:01 GMT
This suggestion of 8 seasons has come from HBO, not D&D. And HBO have been pretty consistent with their hopes/wishes of it going longer, but D&D themselves haven't (afaik) said anything recently to suggest that they might do more than 7 seasons. And even if they do an 8th, they have never completely ruled it out, have they? Haven't they always said "most likely 7, maybe 8"? So there is a clear miscommunication between HBO and the writers. Season 4 and 5 feel so rushed comparing to first 3 season and book readers know how much stuff was cut. Now they are extending the show, even though the writers leaned towards 7 season. It's a mess. I definitely agree with you that the first two seasons had good pacing and then somewhere around season 4 it seemed like they sped things up and started leaving out all sorts of stuff and if I have any major complaints it's that a lot of the scenes and plots felt rushed, clipped and sometimes too many cobbled together in one episode. I suspect this could definitely be due to feeling pressure to wrap up the story in a set amount of time which then for whatever reason got reversed in decision this past season ... whether that's by HBO decision or in part from new info/feedback from GRRM himself, we may never know. If they really are going to add another season, then I hope to hell that means they will SLOW DOWN a bit and really expand/explore some of the story we're getting rushed through.
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