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Post by day dreamer on Jul 10, 2015 16:24:37 GMT
I always had the feeling she'd encounter Arya and is mercy killed by her. The child of hers who she 'struggled' the most with, who was the least like her, yet they are driven onto the same path of revenge by the same events. I think this is very possible. And as Arya kills her, Cat realizes Arya is alive, and is allowed to die in peace. It would be a beautiful completion of her arc. Even better if it happens before she can kill Lord Walder (something like Love > Revenge) Any more news for hype, guys? I was thinking, IF she is in, it would be understandable if she is mad at Brienne, because Brienne turned her back at Sansa to go after Stannis (not saying she is wrong, but if Brienne says it, Cat would be furious) I would actually love that if Arya were the one to kill her. It would be a good ending, Cat could die in peace, Arya might get a different outlook on everything afterwards. If she is in, Brienne would have to tell her about going after Stannis and missing Sansa. I don't think that would be very wise of her. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 19:47:41 GMT
I think this is very possible. And as Arya kills her, Cat realizes Arya is alive, and is allowed to die in peace. It would be a beautiful completion of her arc. Even better if it happens before she can kill Lord Walder (something like Love > Revenge) Any more news for hype, guys? I was thinking, IF she is in, it would be understandable if she is mad at Brienne, because Brienne turned her back at Sansa to go after Stannis (not saying she is wrong, but if Brienne says it, Cat would be furious) I would actually love that if Arya were the one to kill her. It would be a good ending, Cat could die in peace, Arya might get a different outlook on everything afterwards. If she is in, Brienne would have to tell her about going after Stannis and missing Sansa. I don't think that would be very wise of her. lol Unless Brienne and Pod meet up with Sansa and Theon out there in the woods. They are both going to be out there in roughly the same area which is why a lot of us speculated they'll meet up and Brienne will get a second chance to help her out. Then, should LSH actually reappear, she'd have succeeded in both of her oaths. Arya giving Mother's Mercy to her own Mother just makes me sad.
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Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2015 20:27:58 GMT
I would actually love that if Arya were the one to kill her. It would be a good ending, Cat could die in peace, Arya might get a different outlook on everything afterwards. If she is in, Brienne would have to tell her about going after Stannis and missing Sansa. I don't think that would be very wise of her. lol Unless Brienne and Pod meet up with Sansa and Theon out there in the woods. They are both going to be out there in roughly the same area which is why a lot of us speculated they'll meet up and Brienne will get a second chance to help her out. Then, should LSH actually reappear, she'd have succeeded in both of her oaths. Arya giving Mother's Mercy to her own Mother just makes me sad. Well in this universe this would actually be a happy ending - Cat getting to see one of her children and Arya giving her mother peace. Damn, George
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Post by Basil on Jul 10, 2015 20:42:10 GMT
Unless Brienne and Pod meet up with Sansa and Theon out there in the woods. They are both going to be out there in roughly the same area which is why a lot of us speculated they'll meet up and Brienne will get a second chance to help her out. Then, should LSH actually reappear, she'd have succeeded in both of her oaths. Arya giving Mother's Mercy to her own Mother just makes me sad. I think it would be a "better" ending for Catelyn to be killed by her daughter in an act of mercy, than to be killed by Brienne in a lame attempt to protect the man Catelyn despises, the same guy who tried to kill her son, which is basically what started this whole mess. There definitely won't be a happy ending for Lady Stoneheart. I just hope her inevitable demise will feel conclusive and somewhat meaningful - not just for the characters around her, but also for Catelyn herself. I'd really want her to find some peace before she is killed; I don't think I could go through the whole extremely tragic, brutal and meaningless death thing again with this character, the Red Wedding did already destroy me emotionally ... xD
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 22:10:37 GMT
Unless Brienne and Pod meet up with Sansa and Theon out there in the woods. They are both going to be out there in roughly the same area which is why a lot of us speculated they'll meet up and Brienne will get a second chance to help her out. Then, should LSH actually reappear, she'd have succeeded in both of her oaths. Arya giving Mother's Mercy to her own Mother just makes me sad. I think it would be a "better" ending for Catelyn to be killed by her daughter in an act of mercy, than to be killed by Brienne in a lame attempt to protect the man Catelyn despises, the same guy who tried to kill her son, which is basically what started this whole mess. There definitely won't be a happy ending for Lady Stoneheart. I just hope her inevitable demise will feel conclusive and somewhat meaningful - not just for the characters around her, but also for Catelyn herself. I'd really want her to find some peace before she is killed; I don't think I could go through the whole extremely tragic, brutal and meaningless death thing again with this character, the Red Wedding did already destroy me emotionally ... xD No I never said I thought Brienne should kill LSH. I don't like that idea. I was referring to Brienne and Pod helping Sansa in reply to Queen Carol saying Brienne would have to explain to LSH that she chose to go kill Stannis instead of stay on her post to watch for Sansa and help her somehow. If Brienne does get a chance to help Sansa by transporting her to safety, that would fulfill her oath to Catelyn. Most people don't think that's going to happen at the start of next season though with or without LSH. I think it's most possible Brienne being there having just killed Stannis will find Sansa and Theon running from Winterfell.
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Post by Basil on Jul 12, 2015 10:41:23 GMT
I had a prophetic Stoneheart dream last night. I was talking to Michelle Fairley (as though we were old friends or something ) and I asked her about Stoneheart to which she replied that it's definitely gonna happen at some point. Then out of nowhere, D&D appeared and they yelled at her to shut up, because they didn't want her to ruin the surprise. Then they took Michelle away from me and I felt really, really sad. Guys, it's totally happening in Season 6. I'm sure of it. I almost never remember any of my dreams, but this one I do, there must be a reason for it. It's fucking confirmed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 10:47:12 GMT
I had a prophetic Stoneheart dream last night. I was talking to Michelle Fairley (as though we were old friends or something ) and I asked her about Stoneheart to which she replied that it's definitely gonna happen and some point. Then out of nowhere, D&D appeared and they yelled at her to shut up, because they didn't want her to ruin the surprise. Then they took Michelle away from me and I felt really, really sad. Guys, it's totally happening in Season 6. I'm sure of it. I almost never remember any of my dreams, but this one I do, there must be a reason for it. It's fucking confirmed. I think I just fell in love with whatever part of your brain produced that dream.
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Post by Basil on Jul 12, 2015 10:53:53 GMT
I think it's because I watched all these Comic Con panels and interviews yesterday. We also had this conversation about Catelyn - and Stoneheart is constantly on my mind anyway. So I guess this weird, beautiful dream came out of all that ... xD
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:05:16 GMT
I think it's because I watched all these Comic Con panels and interviews yesterday. We also had this conversation about Catelyn - and Stoneheart is constantly on my mind anyway. So I guess this weird, beautiful dream came out of all that ... xD You know what is also a bit weird? That I was completely calm after 5x10. I don't know why but something in me keeps telling me that she'll be in Season 6. We must really be in denial. That is the only logical explanation.
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Post by Basil on Jul 12, 2015 11:26:14 GMT
You know what is also a bit weird? That I was completely calm after 5x10. I don't know why but something in me keeps telling me that she'll be in Season 6. We must really be in denial. That is the only logical explanation. Honestly, I never really believed she was going to show up in Season 5. Obviously I hoped she would, but I wasn't excited or hyped about it or anything, because deep inside I knew, that it wasn't going to happen. As for Season 6 though, I feel surprisingly optimistic. Especially if the Freys and the Riverlands are re-introduced ... why the heck not have Catelyn return as well? xD D&D, you magnificent bastards, please let it happen ...
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 12, 2015 11:27:02 GMT
I had a prophetic Stoneheart dream last night. I was talking to Michelle Fairley (as though we were old friends or something ) and I asked her about Stoneheart to which she replied that it's definitely gonna happen at some point. Then out of nowhere, D&D appeared and they yelled at her to shut up, because they didn't want her to ruin the surprise. Then they took Michelle away from me and I felt really, really sad. Guys, it's totally happening in Season 6. I'm sure of it. I almost never remember any of my dreams, but this one I do, there must be a reason for it. It's fucking confirmed. If she does happen, you will be some kind of greenseer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:52:09 GMT
LSH in Season 6. Greenseer Basil confirms fan theory. You heard it first here. #SheHasRisen #TheNorthRemembers #FuckingConfirmed #GetHype
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:54:45 GMT
You know what is also a bit weird? That I was completely calm after 5x10. I don't know why but something in me keeps telling me that she'll be in Season 6. We must really be in denial. That is the only logical explanation. Honestly, I never really believed she was going to show up in Season 5. Obviously I hoped she would, but I wasn't excited or hyped about it or anything, because deep inside I knew, that it wasn't going to happen. As for Season 6 though, I feel surprisingly optimistic. Especially if the Freys and the Riverlands are re-introduced ... why the heck not have Catelyn return as well? xD D&D, you magnificent bastards, please let it happen ... BRB, getting HYPED
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 13:15:53 GMT
We are nowhere near a Season 6 premier and already we are hyping the shit out of a possible LSH reveal based on nothing but weird prophetic dreams and theories we have been telling ourselves since Season 3. Lady Stoneheart fans are awesome. By the way, if I ever met Benioff, I would tell him two things: 1) You are a DILF and 2) Fucking include Lady Stoneheart already! Okay, I confess I wouldn't have the courage to say number 1, but number 2 I would say! Well, probably in a more polite way, but still.
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Post by Basil on Jul 12, 2015 13:22:02 GMT
If I ever met D&D in person, I'd probably try to strangle them for what they did to the source material ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 13:46:26 GMT
I don't have much time now, so I would like to reply to @envie later, but one thing about the general LSH discussion has bothered me for quite some time now. Why is unGregor always named as an example for a resurrection? He didn't die. He almost died, but didn't. He was kept alive by Qyburn's weird medical procedure and lost his humanity because of that. He, like Frankenstein's monster, was transformed to this thing by science. That is hardly the same as dead people getting resurrected by magic. In both books and show, it is not clear what exactly happened. We only get a few creepy hints and then he's walking around not saying anything. The books imply that his head was removed, which is a pretty solid indicator that somebody is dead. But maybe his head just looks dead-ish and was never removed. We just don't know if he died or not. Gregor's 'resurrection' is intentionally vague, but I choose to believe that Gregor died/was dying of a broken heart, and Qyburn saved him with the power of love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 13:56:51 GMT
In both books and show, it is not clear what exactly happened. We only get a few creepy hints and then he's walking around not saying anything. The books imply that his head was removed, which is a pretty solid indicator that somebody is dead. But maybe his head just looks dead-ish and was never removed. We just don't know if he died or not. Gregor's 'resurrection' is intentionally vague, but I choose to believe that Gregor died/was dying of a broken heart, and Qyburn saved him with the power of love. Your signature makes everything 100x better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 14:17:42 GMT
Gregor's 'resurrection' is intentionally vague, but I choose to believe that Gregor died/was dying of a broken heart, and Qyburn saved him with the power of love. Your signature makes everything 100x better. It's like an affirmation of every post I make.
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 12, 2015 17:40:55 GMT
Unless Brienne and Pod meet up with Sansa and Theon out there in the woods. They are both going to be out there in roughly the same area which is why a lot of us speculated they'll meet up and Brienne will get a second chance to help her out. Then, should LSH actually reappear, she'd have succeeded in both of her oaths. Arya giving Mother's Mercy to her own Mother just makes me sad. I think it would be a "better" ending for Catelyn to be killed by her daughter in an act of mercy, than to be killed by Brienne in a lame attempt to protect the man Catelyn despises, the same guy who tried to kill her son, which is basically what started this whole mess. There definitely won't be a happy ending for Lady Stoneheart. I just hope her inevitable demise will feel conclusive and somewhat meaningful - not just for the characters around her, but also for Catelyn herself. I'd really want her to find some peace before she is killed; I don't think I could go through the whole extremely tragic, brutal and meaningless death thing again with this character, the Red Wedding did already destroy me emotionally ... xD I have often thought that this would be the best ending for Lady Stoneheart in the books, that Arya would be the one to give her Mercy and she'd be laid to rest in the crypts of Winterfell with Ned's bones. Catelyn, especially at the end, longs to be with Ned in the afterlife and to think she has been resurrected as Lady Stoneheart which means she never got her reunion with her husband or it was cut short. I'd love to see her get her revenge before she dies and Arya, whose training in the book is learning the right people to give the gift of death to, seems to be building to this point (in the books). How tragic for Arya that she'd have her mother back in some form but realize that Lady Stoneheart is not her mother and her mother would not really want to continue as that. I wish I had some of the cool dreams you all have!
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Post by Admin on Jul 12, 2015 19:57:00 GMT
I think she is gone. With just 2 seasons left and Jon coming back...it doesn't look good.
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