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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jan 2, 2016 12:08:11 GMT
Ok, light-heartedness clearly not appreciated. Backing out now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 12:08:53 GMT
Ok, light-heartedness clearly not appreciated. Backing out now no, it is!! Come back!
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Post by Basil on Jan 2, 2016 12:16:11 GMT
I feel bad for him. That much pressure is not good for a man his age and it would be a shame if the quality of his writing suffers because of those deadlines. Too late for that. The last two books were pretty flawed. He's in Stephen King mode where his success means he doesn't get strict editing. At this point, I'd rather see a rushed book than something like AFFC/ADWD which suffered from self-indulgence. I know that's a pretty common opinion. Personally I thought both AFFC and ADWD were brilliant. In a lot of ways, AFFC is my second-favourite book in the series, mainly because of Cersei, Jaime and Brienne. I'm also one of the two people in the world who really loved Dorne in the books, especially Arianne, who is among my favourite minor POV characters.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jan 2, 2016 12:18:04 GMT
Ok, light-heartedness clearly not appreciated. Backing out now omg, I take it back, I was being dumb to try to make a pattern with only 5 PoV deaths. Sorry I used the word um, I was not trying to be serious either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 12:28:22 GMT
Too late for that. The last two books were pretty flawed. He's in Stephen King mode where his success means he doesn't get strict editing. At this point, I'd rather see a rushed book than something like AFFC/ADWD which suffered from self-indulgence. I know that's a pretty common opinion. Personally I thought both AFFC and ADWD were brilliant. In a lot of ways, AFFC is my second-favourite book in the series, mainly because of Cersei, Jaime and Brienne. I'm also one of the two people in the world who really loved Dorne in the books, especially Arianne, who is among my favourite minor POV characters. I loved Dorne as well, the first chapter about Doran's family meeting is one of my favorite chapters of the entire series. The imagery of the blood oranges falling to the ground was absolutely beautiful. That's why I was so disappointed with the rest of the book. There was true greatness in that book. But it's also surrounded by a lot of garbage that should have been cut. It's not that George is a lesser writer, it's that his success means his books don't get proper editing, it happens all the time, Stephen King hasn't had a brilliant book in so long, because who is going to tell Stephen King that something needs to be cut? Ok, light-heartedness clearly not appreciated. Backing out now omg, I take it back, I was being dumb to try to make a pattern with only 5 PoV deaths. Sorry I used the word um, I was not trying to be serious either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 12:34:49 GMT
Too late for that. The last two books were pretty flawed. He's in Stephen King mode where his success means he doesn't get strict editing. At this point, I'd rather see a rushed book than something like AFFC/ADWD which suffered from self-indulgence. I know that's a pretty common opinion. Personally I thought both AFFC and ADWD were brilliant. In a lot of ways, AFFC is my second-favourite book in the series, mainly because of Cersei, Jaime and Brienne. I'm also one of the two people in the world who really loved Dorne in the books, especially Arianne, who is among my favourite minor POV characters. I get that. I really do. GRRM shines when it comes to characterisation, world building and the deconstruction of popular fantasy tropes. The last two books were masterful in these departments, I don't deny that. That's why I still somewhat enjoyed reading them. Especially the deconstruction of tropes is something I really, really like. BUT - and it's a big but for me - plot and pacing are also of huge importance to me and that's where he most definitely doesn't shine, especially in those last two books. His chapters are meandering messes plot wise. He needs to come to the freaking point a lot sooner. As I said, I enjoy characterization and world building but he's telling a story here and sometimes he seems to forget about that. This is what I call self indulgent. Or as Bilbo would say: not enough butter spread on too much bread.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jan 2, 2016 13:09:51 GMT
Ok, light-heartedness clearly not appreciated. Backing out now omg, I take it back, I was being dumb to try to make a pattern with only 5 PoV deaths. Sorry I used the word um, I was not trying to be serious either. I'm so confused. If only the Internet could convey the tone of people's voices, I would have far less problems misunderstanding people Anyway, since I'm still slightly confused, sorry for any misunderstanding that may or ,at not have occurred
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 13:29:26 GMT
Too late for that. The last two books were pretty flawed. He's in Stephen King mode where his success means he doesn't get strict editing. At this point, I'd rather see a rushed book than something like AFFC/ADWD which suffered from self-indulgence. I know that's a pretty common opinion. Personally I thought both AFFC and ADWD were brilliant. In a lot of ways, AFFC is my second-favourite book in the series, mainly because of Cersei, Jaime and Brienne. I'm also one of the two people in the world who really loved Dorne in the books, especially Arianne, who is among my favourite minor POV characters. i agree with this so much. I've re-read AFFC and ADWD more times than any other book in the series. I understand plot development and movement, but to me character development is more important. AFFC+ADWD were always going to be 'in between' books leading up to the final events in the book. Some of my favourite moments happen in these books, and i am not disappointed in them in the slightest. If GRRM thinks deadlines don't work for him, then i believe him. Because they certainly haven't worked for like 5 years
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Post by boojam on Jan 2, 2016 14:11:30 GMT
I love GRRM and I'm forever thankful for the world he created and for the first three books, but I must say I couldn't care less. I'm a fan of the show. To me the show is canon now and has been for quite some time. If HBO successfully tells the end of the story, I'll be more than happy. I don't care about the book series anymore. I hope that GRRM realizes that he has the chance to tell some version of his story on the small screen and goes back to writing scripts for the show. S7 and S8 would really profit from that. I'm glad you said this before I did. But yeah, I don't really give a shit about ADOS and only sort of give a shit about TWOW at this point. I've always been a show-fan first and foremost and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I remember once some of the now-ranters and ravers acting like I'd admitted I was a sex offender or something for saying that over at AFOIAF but it's the truth. That's why I got into this fandom and when the show's through that's how I'll get out of it. The books were always supplementary material for me and I don't care that that's all they'll ever prove to be in the end. It makes one think. David Benioff said at that Oxford Union thing "einen Augenblick, bitte", in response to a question , and I inferred, to season 5 deviations, that not only would the show's story land on the same spot, even the downright weird deviations of S5 would make sense in the end. I really puzzle over that . So when GRRM finishes Winds , it's an interesting thought that he return to the show in a big way to really shore up the story, what ever that means! I really wonder if find out this year what the hell HBO is gonna do! Is it 7a and 7b or 8? Didn't HBO say 8? At the Emmys got the impression that D&D were not enthused about more beyond 7 , tho they did give that answer about a film, "Yeah a film!". Fuck I don't know but I heard SW is estimated to make 8 billion world wide, 5 billion of that merchandising. Gezz Time-Warner , and I have said this before , , may have those paylines spinning on reels in their eyes. Who knows if TW will put their thumb on HBO. There may be some knotty negotiations about S8 actor contracts this year or some damn movie hoopla. Getting fucking weird.
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jan 2, 2016 14:24:59 GMT
Wow I'm surprised he was really trying to get it out before S6. I wasn't expecting him to even try to do that. He tried and failed but I give him credit for that. 2016 it is then! Just not as early as we wanted. That's fine for me.
I do hope we get the final book at some point. I like the show (most of the time, looking at you S5) and I hope the last 2 or more seasons are great, but the books will always be the official canon for me. As GRRM says the books are his and the show is D&Ds. I can watch their version because it's quicker and condensed but the real one will always be on the pages for me. So I hope we get that ending one day too, for me and others that think like me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 14:27:28 GMT
Maybe I'm being cynical and I apologize for that, but I'm not holding my breath for 2016 either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 15:11:45 GMT
I would just like to duck in and be a dickhead and tell you all that I told you so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 15:15:20 GMT
I would just like to duck in and be a dickhead and tell you all that I told you so. More like this.
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Post by morgantayler on Jan 2, 2016 15:17:43 GMT
It sucks he's feeling so much pressure from this and it's a little disappointing but it'll be done when it's done. I'd rather him not feel rushed when he's writing either.
I really appreciate his honesty about this, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 17:03:50 GMT
I'm not really surprised that TWOW won't be released before S6, but others have said I also wouldn't want him feeling rushed, which is why I nearly gave up on waiting. Still I blame him taking so long because he took his sweet ass time with AFFC and ADWD and planned the five year gap at first that really delayed his writing. It wasn't a good idea especially after all the events that happened at the end of ASOS. Now I hope the quality of TWOW will be much better than the last two books, which it most likely will be since it's starting off with the two battles, but if there's any more new POV characters, wtf is the guy doing. Yes I think he's great at characterization and world building, but at this point he needs to focus on the story he started with and move the plot forward more especially with Dany, not continue to introduce characters and subplots that take away from the characters he began with.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jan 2, 2016 18:11:36 GMT
Maybe I'm being cynical and I apologize for that, but I'm not holding my breath for 2016 either. Late 2016 is the only possibility I see for it coming out this year after this blog post. (Which means him finishing writing by September at latest). Otherwise it's looking like next year,mu less we want to be pessimistic about it (which is also understandable)
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jan 2, 2016 18:42:21 GMT
I'm not really surprised that TWOW won't be released before S6, but others have said I also wouldn't want him feeling rushed, which is why I nearly gave up on waiting. Still I blame him taking so long because he took his sweet ass time with AFFC and ADWD and planned the five year gap at first that really delayed his writing. It wasn't a good idea especially after all the events that happened at the end of ASOS. Now I hope the quality of TWOW will be much better than the last two books, which it most likely will be since it's starting off with the two battles, but if there's any more new POV characters, wtf is the guy doing. Yes I think he's great at characterization and world building, but at this point he needs to focus on the story he started with and move the plot forward more especially with Dany, not continue to introduce characters and subplots that take away from the characters he began with. I thought I heard somewhere there will be no new POV characters. Could be wrong but hopefully we won't have to worry about that because I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 19:12:12 GMT
I'm not really surprised that TWOW won't be released before S6, but others have said I also wouldn't want him feeling rushed, which is why I nearly gave up on waiting. Still I blame him taking so long because he took his sweet ass time with AFFC and ADWD and planned the five year gap at first that really delayed his writing. It wasn't a good idea especially after all the events that happened at the end of ASOS. Now I hope the quality of TWOW will be much better than the last two books, which it most likely will be since it's starting off with the two battles, but if there's any more new POV characters, wtf is the guy doing. Yes I think he's great at characterization and world building, but at this point he needs to focus on the story he started with and move the plot forward more especially with Dany, not continue to introduce characters and subplots that take away from the characters he began with. I thought I heard somewhere there will be no new POV characters. Could be wrong but hopefully we won't have to worry about that because I agree. Yeah same. I think he said he wanted to condense the amount of POV characters too, which also means that a couple of them will probably die in TWOW.
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Post by boojam on Jan 2, 2016 20:31:51 GMT
I'm not really surprised that TWOW won't be released before S6, but others have said I also wouldn't want him feeling rushed, which is why I nearly gave up on waiting. Still I blame him taking so long because he took his sweet ass time with AFFC and ADWD and planned the five year gap at first that really delayed his writing. It wasn't a good idea especially after all the events that happened at the end of ASOS. Now I hope the quality of TWOW will be much better than the last two books, which it most likely will be since it's starting off with the two battles, but if there's any more new POV characters, wtf is the guy doing. Yes I think he's great at characterization and world building, but at this point he needs to focus on the story he started with and move the plot forward more especially with Dany, not continue to introduce characters and subplots that take away from the characters he began with. I thought I heard somewhere there will be no new POV characters. Could be wrong but hopefully we won't have to worry about that because I agree. I remember this too. The excerpts from WoW , mostly the Meereen ones , seem to be bringing Team Dany and the Ironborn and well Tyrion together. So seemed like the idea was to but character arcs together. Makes sense there are too many separate character threads with two novels to go.
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Post by boojam on Jan 2, 2016 20:49:34 GMT
"Just consider. Mago, Irri, Rakharo, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Pyat Pree, Pyp, Grenn, Ser Barristan Selmy, Queen Selyse, Princess Shireen, Princess Myrcella, Mance Rayder, and King Stannis are all dead in the show, alive in the books. Some of them will die in the books as well, yes... but not all of them, and some may die at different times in different ways. Balon Greyjoy, on the flip side, is dead in the books, alive on the show. "Hey George, you told David that Shireen dies. What about that? Well , 'some of them will die' , hmmm, that's what I was hoping to find out about. Stannis and Mance those are the big question. But well, what about Sansa's adventure on the show? I don't think it happens in the book, but something similar? Uh... Jon Snow.... uh... uh ... uh...
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