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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 11, 2017 1:32:58 GMT
D&D know what George is planning to do with LSH in the remaining books. I don't think we'll ever hear from them about LSH, but once we read the last two books, we'll know why it wasn't worth keeping her in the show. I think it's too soon to bash the show producers. The epilogue of ASOS was awesome and teased a plot twist with major potential. Then George wrote two massive books and LSH appeared in what, one chapter? If you ask me, George failed to deliver on the LSH potential long before D&D decided to write her out.
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Post by Basil on Mar 11, 2017 9:18:57 GMT
D&D know what George is planning to do with LSH in the remaining books. I don't think we'll ever hear from them about LSH, but once we read the last two books, we'll know why it wasn't worth keeping her in the show. I think it's too soon to bash the show producers. The epilogue of ASOS was awesome and teased a plot twist with major potential. Then George wrote two massive books and LSH appeared in what, one chapter? If you ask me, George failed to deliver on the LSH potential long before D&D decided to write her out. Sandor doesn't show up at all in book 4 or 5, and yet they brought him back, so I can't really agree with that argument. LSH is not a character that we need to see often, she obviously won't ever have a POV chapter of her own. It's true, she only made one personal appearance in AFFC, but she was heard of and talked about a lot and that to me is much more effective when it comes to a character like that. Throughout a bunch of Jaime and Brienne chapters, we kept hearing rumours about the Brotherhood without Banners and their mysterious new leader, she was build-up for the majority of Book 4 and it all culminated in Brienne's last chapter where she finally encounters Catelyn, in one of the most powerful and chilling scenes in that book. She didn't show up at all in Book 5, but neither did Sansa. A Dance with Dragons and A Feast for Crows are basically one massive novel split into two. When we go by the timeline, Brienne's encounter with Lady Stoneheart happens towards the end of it. I've made my peace with the fact that my favourite character has been cut from the show, and I don't need D&D to explain any of their creative decisions to me, even if I don't like them. But I completely disagree that it wouldn't have worked or that George failed to deliver on LSH potential. She's a character that works best if she stays in the shadows, it makes the few scenes when she does show up personally all the more effective. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 11, 2017 9:36:58 GMT
It's not too difficult to assume that LSH's role in the books is to act as a culmination of Jaime and Brienne's arc. I still remain confident that Brienne will die early in Winds, presumably by Jaime (though I'm now entering speculation territory).
And I agree with Basil that, even though it's been ~17 years and she's been in two chapters, she hasn't been underused. She's playing her part with regards to Jaime and Brienne; we don't need to see her commit every act of violence against Freys, in fact I think just hearing about it as whispers and rumours is much better, because it makes her actual scenes much more meaningful and significant.
I'm not particularly annoyed she's gone, I'm just curious to see if/how they resolve that arc without her (especially now that Jaime's back in KL ind Brienne's heading north again)
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Post by Enid on Mar 11, 2017 9:37:18 GMT
The show has cut several plots and characters, specially from the last two books (Arianne, all of Aegon and co., LSH, Victarion, Aeron, Quentyn, the Vale plot with Alayne, Davos in White Harbor and his quest to find Rickon) or has reduced their length (Jaime in the Riverlands, Brienne's travelogues, Tyrion trying to reach Dany, Sansa was used to replace Jeyne Poole, the Tyrells were wiped out when they will have to deal with Euron's invasion in the books), and honestly I think the main reason is: they needed to leave things out to be able to wrap up the story. TV is a more restricted medium that books when it comes to story length, you depend on a budget, you have limited time to tell everything, and D&D have always said they planned 7 or 8 seasons.
So they probably sat down to plan how they could end the story, and realized a lot of stuff from the last couple of books had to be cut. Have they beed right in all their choices all the time? No, but I don't believe they were wrong to cut so much stuff because that's the only way they could give the show an ending before 2030. LSH was part of those cuts, like several other characters. IIRC they never hinted she would be on the show, it was always people editing the IMDB cast list to include her and stuff like Lena taking a picture of a heart made of stones which started the hype year after year, and then D&D were criticise because they had played with the fan's expectations, which I always felt was unfair because they really didn't.
Personally I see LSH as GRRM's subversion of how vengeance is usually portrayed in fiction. In a lot of stories we see characters that want vengeance for some wrong that was done to them or someone they care about, good characters that go after terrible people so is not hard to root for them. But LSH is not like that. On one hand she is avenging the RW and that's satisfying, but she is also so consumed by that vengeance and hate she orders the killing of Pod, a child who has done nothing, because he is associated with the Lannisters. She is there to show what happens when hate and vengeance become the main reason for someone to keep going. She is also there so GRRM can once again use the "be careful with what you wish or" via Arya getting her wish to reunite with her mother, only to finally understand that Sandor and the FM were right when they said death can be a mercy. Or at least that's where I think her story is going.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 11, 2017 10:15:39 GMT
The show has cut several plots and characters, specially from the last two books (Arianne, all of Aegon and co., LSH, Victarion, Aeron, Quentyn, the Vale plot with Alayne, Davos in White Harbor and his quest to find Rickon) or has reduced their length (Jaime in the Riverlands, Brienne's travelogues, Tyrion trying to reach Dany, Sansa was used to replace Jeyne Poole, the Tyrells were wiped out when they will have to deal with Euron's invasion in the books), and honestly I think the main reason is: they needed to leave things out to be able to wrap up the story. TV is a more restricted medium that books when it comes to story length, you depend on a budget, you have limited time to tell everything, and D&D have always said they planned 7 or 8 seasons. So they probably sat down to plan how they could end the story, and realized a lot of stuff from the last couple of books had to be cut. Have they beed right in all their choices all the time? No, but I don't believe they were wrong to cut so much stuff because that's the only way they could give the show an ending before 2030. LSH was part of those cuts, like several other characters. IIRC they never hinted she would be on the show, it was always people editing the IMDB cast list to include her and stuff like Lena taking a picture of a heart made of stones which started the hype year after year, and then D&D were criticise because they had played with the fan's expectations, which I always felt was unfair because they really didn't. Personally I see LSH as GRRM's subversion of how vengeance is usually portrayed in fiction. In a lot of stories we see characters that want vengeance for some wrong that was done to them or someone they care about, good characters that go after terrible people so is not hard to root for them. But LSH is not like that. On one hand she is avenging the RW and that's satisfying, but she is also so consumed by that vengeance and hate she orders the killing of Pod, a child who has done nothing, because he is associated with the Lannisters. She is there to show what happens when hate and vengeance become the main reason for someone to keep going. She is also there so GRRM can once again use the "be careful with what you wish or" via Arya getting her wish to reunite with her mother, only to finally understand that Sandor and the FM were right when they said death can be a mercy. Or at least that's where I think her story is going. I think it's probably more due to LSH having a larger fanbase than many of the other cut elements. More people to be disappointed = more disappointment. I agree with your point about how GRRM portrays vengeance. My concern is that, with probably ~15 episodes to go, the show isn't going to bother to go into deeper things like that. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just that I feel they could have gone down a more philosophical route than the plot-focused route they've taken on the show. Off the top of my head, two characters who've gotten revenge are Arya and Brienne. But neither of them has had any consequence for their actions - Brienne's was basically like a side-quest and Arya always seems to get cheers if I ever watch any reactions to her vengeance while there's nothing much happening to her character in the long-run. Dorne is another example: Ellaria and the SS get their revenge on the Lannisters, then what happens? They kill Doran and once again there is no consequence. I just would really have liked to see more of that element of the story. Cersei is probably going to get her comeuppance, but that'll really be more of a culmination than a consequence. I'm not really complaining that a lot of the deeper stuff was cut, I'm just curious as to how things could have been. |
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Post by Enid on Mar 11, 2017 10:41:40 GMT
The show has cut several plots and characters, specially from the last two books (Arianne, all of Aegon and co., LSH, Victarion, Aeron, Quentyn, the Vale plot with Alayne, Davos in White Harbor and his quest to find Rickon) or has reduced their length (Jaime in the Riverlands, Brienne's travelogues, Tyrion trying to reach Dany, Sansa was used to replace Jeyne Poole, the Tyrells were wiped out when they will have to deal with Euron's invasion in the books), and honestly I think the main reason is: they needed to leave things out to be able to wrap up the story. TV is a more restricted medium that books when it comes to story length, you depend on a budget, you have limited time to tell everything, and D&D have always said they planned 7 or 8 seasons. So they probably sat down to plan how they could end the story, and realized a lot of stuff from the last couple of books had to be cut. Have they beed right in all their choices all the time? No, but I don't believe they were wrong to cut so much stuff because that's the only way they could give the show an ending before 2030. LSH was part of those cuts, like several other characters. IIRC they never hinted she would be on the show, it was always people editing the IMDB cast list to include her and stuff like Lena taking a picture of a heart made of stones which started the hype year after year, and then D&D were criticise because they had played with the fan's expectations, which I always felt was unfair because they really didn't. Personally I see LSH as GRRM's subversion of how vengeance is usually portrayed in fiction. In a lot of stories we see characters that want vengeance for some wrong that was done to them or someone they care about, good characters that go after terrible people so is not hard to root for them. But LSH is not like that. On one hand she is avenging the RW and that's satisfying, but she is also so consumed by that vengeance and hate she orders the killing of Pod, a child who has done nothing, because he is associated with the Lannisters. She is there to show what happens when hate and vengeance become the main reason for someone to keep going. She is also there so GRRM can once again use the "be careful with what you wish or" via Arya getting her wish to reunite with her mother, only to finally understand that Sandor and the FM were right when they said death can be a mercy. Or at least that's where I think her story is going. I think it's probably more due to LSH having a larger fanbase than many of the other cut elements. More people to be disappointed = more disappointment. I agree with your point about how GRRM portrays vengeance. My concern is that, with probably ~15 episodes to go, the show isn't going to bother to go into deeper things like that. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just that I feel they could have gone down a more philosophical route than the plot-focused route they've taken on the show. Off the top of my head, two characters who've gotten revenge are Arya and Brienne. But neither of them has had any consequence for their actions - Brienne's was basically like a side-quest and Arya always seems to get cheers if I ever watch any reactions to her vengeance while there's nothing much happening to her character in the long-run. Dorne is another example: Ellaria and the SS get their revenge on the Lannisters, then what happens? They kill Doran and once again there is no consequence. I just would really have liked to see more of that element of the story. Cersei is probably going to get her comeuppance, but that'll really be more of a culmination than a consequence. I'm not really complaining that a lot of the deeper stuff was cut, I'm just curious as to how things could have been. I understand being disappointed, but accusing D&D of playing with LSH's fans when they never did anything to imply she would be on the show is not fair. That's what I didn't get. I agree that the show seems to have gone the opposite route when it comes to the portrayal of vengeance, and is a pity. It specially annoys me with Arya, because they've been using her as a murder machine when the character in the books is way more than that. Dorne was the biggest fuck up the show ever made. Is like they wanted to add the Martells to the cast but didn't want to tell their story and the one they came up with was lame and non-sensical. The show is not above forcing characters to do things because the plot says so, and is not as deep as the books. I think is natural to wonder how the show could have gone if D&D had made other choices, I also do that. Is a consequence of having such a huge story with so many themes, plots and characters. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 13:19:48 GMT
The show has cut several plots and characters, specially from the last two books (Arianne, all of Aegon and co., LSH, Victarion, Aeron, Quentyn, the Vale plot with Alayne, Davos in White Harbor and his quest to find Rickon) or has reduced their length (Jaime in the Riverlands, Brienne's travelogues, Tyrion trying to reach Dany, Sansa was used to replace Jeyne Poole, the Tyrells were wiped out when they will have to deal with Euron's invasion in the books), and honestly I think the main reason is: they needed to leave things out to be able to wrap up the story. TV is a more restricted medium that books when it comes to story length, you depend on a budget, you have limited time to tell everything, and D&D have always said they planned 7 or 8 seasons. So they probably sat down to plan how they could end the story, and realized a lot of stuff from the last couple of books had to be cut. Have they beed right in all their choices all the time? No, but I don't believe they were wrong to cut so much stuff because that's the only way they could give the show an ending before 2030. LSH was part of those cuts, like several other characters. IIRC they never hinted she would be on the show, it was always people editing the IMDB cast list to include her and stuff like Lena taking a picture of a heart made of stones which started the hype year after year, and then D&D were criticise because they had played with the fan's expectations, which I always felt was unfair because they really didn't. Personally I see LSH as GRRM's subversion of how vengeance is usually portrayed in fiction. In a lot of stories we see characters that want vengeance for some wrong that was done to them or someone they care about, good characters that go after terrible people so is not hard to root for them. But LSH is not like that. On one hand she is avenging the RW and that's satisfying, but she is also so consumed by that vengeance and hate she orders the killing of Pod, a child who has done nothing, because he is associated with the Lannisters. She is there to show what happens when hate and vengeance become the main reason for someone to keep going. She is also there so GRRM can once again use the "be careful with what you wish or" via Arya getting her wish to reunite with her mother, only to finally understand that Sandor and the FM were right when they said death can be a mercy. Or at least that's where I think her story is going. I agree with all of this. It's not that they couldn't include LSH, it's that they found another way to do what her character did, one they felt would translate better to TV. I agree with you that the way they're handling vengeance on the show is less complex than the way it's handled in the books, thus far. I honestly think they didn't have the budget to do LSH justice. They didn't want to bring back a beloved character and have her be cheesy instead of scary and heartbreaking, which is what she should be. They could probably do it now, just look at what they were able to do with Benjen, but they've written her out. I completely disagree with the notion that some people have that D&D have some kind of Stannis hatred. Their Stannis was about 100 times better than book Stannis. They made me feel for him, something the books have yet to do. I also think they have extended Sandor's role for the good of the show, because they recognized how well his character translates to screen, especially with Rory playing him. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 11, 2017 17:04:31 GMT
D&D know what George is planning to do with LSH in the remaining books. I don't think we'll ever hear from them about LSH, but once we read the last two books, we'll know why it wasn't worth keeping her in the show. I think it's too soon to bash the show producers. The epilogue of ASOS was awesome and teased a plot twist with major potential. Then George wrote two massive books and LSH appeared in what, one chapter? If you ask me, George failed to deliver on the LSH potential long before D&D decided to write her out. Sandor doesn't show up at all in book 4 or 5, and yet they brought him back, so I can't really agree with that argument. LSH is not a character that we need to see often, she obviously won't ever have a POV chapter of her own. It's true, she only made one personal appearance in AFFC, but she was heard of and talked about a lot and that to me is much more effective when it comes to a character like that. Throughout a bunch of Jaime and Brienne chapters, we kept hearing rumours about the Brotherhood without Banners and their mysterious new leader, she was build-up for the majority of Book 4 and it all culminated in Brienne's last chapter where she finally encounters Catelyn, in one of the most powerful and chilling scenes in that book. She didn't show up at all in Book 5, but neither did Sansa. A Dance with Dragons and A Feast for Crows are basically one massive novel split into two. When we go by the timeline, Brienne's encounter with Lady Stoneheart happens towards the end of it. I've made my peace with the fact that my favourite character has been cut from the show, and I don't need D&D to explain any of their creative decisions to me, even if I don't like them. But I completely disagree that it wouldn't have worked or that George failed to deliver on LSH potential. She's a character that works best if she stays in the shadows, it makes the few scenes when she does show up personally all the more effective. Sandor does show up in book 4, and to your point that LSH was a presence in the Riverlands story, Sandor was also frequently thought about by other characters like Arya and Sansa, but that's irrelevant. I wish Sandor and Catelyn were comparable in terms of importance to the story, but it's not even close. Sandor is a supporting character that pops up from time to time, Catelyn is one of the original POVs who had as much impact on the overall story as anybody. From kidnapping Tyrion to her influence on Robb's campaign, she's a real game-changer. Catelyn had her own story while Sandor supplements others. They didn't bring Sandor back in the timeline of the written books, it wasn't until late season 6, well past book canon, that we saw the return of the character, indicating to me that he probably has something impactful to do in the books we haven't read yet. The Gravedigger scene from book 4 was understandably cut because while it was a nice tease, it didn't impact the story. The difference between CLEGANEBOWL and LSH is that the former was subtly teased, while the latter was promised in the epilogue of book 3. There was no vagueness or interpretation to Catelyn's return in the story. Can you imagine my hype levels if CLEGANEBOWL had an entire chapter dedicated to it? As somebody who enjoyed Catelyn's chapters, I was frustrated that George teased LSH in book 3, but did very little with her in the subsequent books. Season 6 kind of shows to me that the writers are best at adapting George's material to an entertaining television structure. When you watch the latest season I think it's obvious which scenes have George's influence and which scenes the writers came up with. Season 6 had some of the highest peaks of the series, but also the lowest lows, and as I'm rewatching season 5 I think it's a much more consistent season in terms of quality, even if it doesn't have many moments as great as "Hold the Door." That's why I think if LSH is going to have major impact in the final books, D&D wouldn't have written her out. I can only assume that when George gave them their outline, they kept the stuff that looked like gold, and for whatever reason, LSH didn't make the cut. LSH may be fucking epic in the last two books, I don't know. But I know D&D know more than I do about what happens, so for now I'm reserving judgment on their decision to cut LSH. I also know that George is a fucking master at building up certain expectations for a story line, and then pulling the rug out from under the reader. We're all expecting LSH to get a major revenge on the Freys/Lannisters, but how often do our wishes come true in this series? ASOIAF is famous for subverting expectations and being unpredictable. Yes, I agree that LSH was a presence in the Riverlands story, but that adds to my frustration that her constant teasing has had such little payoff, and my suspicion that she might amount to little more than a plot device for Jaime and/or Brienne's character growth. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 11, 2017 17:30:29 GMT
I agree with what you guys wrote about the show's portrayal of vengeance, which is why I hated scenes like Brienne killing Stannis and the way they handled episode 6x09. It doesn't feel consistent with the tone of ASOIAF. It's okay for the good guys to get a win, but it shouldn't feel as contrived as it did in those show moments.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 11, 2017 17:35:36 GMT
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Post by Basil on Mar 11, 2017 19:59:08 GMT
Sandor doesn't show up at all in book 4 or 5, and yet they brought him back, so I can't really agree with that argument. LSH is not a character that we need to see often, she obviously won't ever have a POV chapter of her own. It's true, she only made one personal appearance in AFFC, but she was heard of and talked about a lot and that to me is much more effective when it comes to a character like that. Throughout a bunch of Jaime and Brienne chapters, we kept hearing rumours about the Brotherhood without Banners and their mysterious new leader, she was build-up for the majority of Book 4 and it all culminated in Brienne's last chapter where she finally encounters Catelyn, in one of the most powerful and chilling scenes in that book. She didn't show up at all in Book 5, but neither did Sansa. A Dance with Dragons and A Feast for Crows are basically one massive novel split into two. When we go by the timeline, Brienne's encounter with Lady Stoneheart happens towards the end of it. I've made my peace with the fact that my favourite character has been cut from the show, and I don't need D&D to explain any of their creative decisions to me, even if I don't like them. But I completely disagree that it wouldn't have worked or that George failed to deliver on LSH potential. She's a character that works best if she stays in the shadows, it makes the few scenes when she does show up personally all the more effective. Sandor does show up in book 4, and to your point that LSH was a presence in the Riverlands story, Sandor was also frequently thought about by other characters like Arya and Sansa, but that's irrelevant. I wish Sandor and Catelyn were comparable in terms of importance to the story, but it's not even close. Sandor is a supporting character that pops up from time to time, Catelyn is one of the original POVs who had as much impact on the overall story as anybody. From kidnapping Tyrion to her influence on Robb's campaign, she's a real game-changer. Catelyn had her own story while Sandor supplements others. They didn't bring Sandor back in the timeline of the written books, it wasn't until late season 6, well past book canon, that we saw the return of the character, indicating to me that he probably has something impactful to do in the books we haven't read yet. The Gravedigger scene from book 4 was understandably cut because while it was a nice tease, it didn't impact the story. The difference between CLEGANEBOWL and LSH is that the former was subtly teased, while the latter was promised in the epilogue of book 3. There was no vagueness or interpretation to Catelyn's return in the story. Can you imagine my hype levels if CLEGANEBOWL had an entire chapter dedicated to it? As somebody who enjoyed Catelyn's chapters, I was frustrated that George teased LSH in book 3, but did very little with her in the subsequent books. Season 6 kind of shows to me that the writers are best at adapting George's material to an entertaining television structure. When you watch the latest season I think it's obvious which scenes have George's influence and which scenes the writers came up with. Season 6 had some of the highest peaks of the series, but also the lowest lows, and as I'm rewatching season 5 I think it's a much more consistent season in terms of quality, even if it doesn't have many moments as great as "Hold the Door." That's why I think if LSH is going to have major impact in the final books, D&D wouldn't have written her out. I can only assume that when George gave them their outline, they kept the stuff that looked like gold, and for whatever reason, LSH didn't make the cut. LSH may be fucking epic in the last two books, I don't know. But I know D&D know more than I do about what happens, so for now I'm reserving judgment on their decision to cut LSH. I also know that George is a fucking master at building up certain expectations for a story line, and then pulling the rug out from under the reader. We're all expecting LSH to get a major revenge on the Freys/Lannisters, but how often do our wishes come true in this series? ASOIAF is famous for subverting expectations and being unpredictable. Yes, I agree that LSH was a presence in the Riverlands story, but that adds to my frustration that her constant teasing has had such little payoff, and my suspicion that she might amount to little more than a plot device for Jaime and/or Brienne's character growth. I'm too drunk right now to respond to this ... but LSH is life.  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Mar 11, 2017 20:04:59 GMT
Sandor does show up in book 4, and to your point that LSH was a presence in the Riverlands story, Sandor was also frequently thought about by other characters like Arya and Sansa, but that's irrelevant. I wish Sandor and Catelyn were comparable in terms of importance to the story, but it's not even close. Sandor is a supporting character that pops up from time to time, Catelyn is one of the original POVs who had as much impact on the overall story as anybody. From kidnapping Tyrion to her influence on Robb's campaign, she's a real game-changer. Catelyn had her own story while Sandor supplements others. They didn't bring Sandor back in the timeline of the written books, it wasn't until late season 6, well past book canon, that we saw the return of the character, indicating to me that he probably has something impactful to do in the books we haven't read yet. The Gravedigger scene from book 4 was understandably cut because while it was a nice tease, it didn't impact the story. The difference between CLEGANEBOWL and LSH is that the former was subtly teased, while the latter was promised in the epilogue of book 3. There was no vagueness or interpretation to Catelyn's return in the story. Can you imagine my hype levels if CLEGANEBOWL had an entire chapter dedicated to it? As somebody who enjoyed Catelyn's chapters, I was frustrated that George teased LSH in book 3, but did very little with her in the subsequent books. Season 6 kind of shows to me that the writers are best at adapting George's material to an entertaining television structure. When you watch the latest season I think it's obvious which scenes have George's influence and which scenes the writers came up with. Season 6 had some of the highest peaks of the series, but also the lowest lows, and as I'm rewatching season 5 I think it's a much more consistent season in terms of quality, even if it doesn't have many moments as great as "Hold the Door." That's why I think if LSH is going to have major impact in the final books, D&D wouldn't have written her out. I can only assume that when George gave them their outline, they kept the stuff that looked like gold, and for whatever reason, LSH didn't make the cut. LSH may be fucking epic in the last two books, I don't know. But I know D&D know more than I do about what happens, so for now I'm reserving judgment on their decision to cut LSH. I also know that George is a fucking master at building up certain expectations for a story line, and then pulling the rug out from under the reader. We're all expecting LSH to get a major revenge on the Freys/Lannisters, but how often do our wishes come true in this series? ASOIAF is famous for subverting expectations and being unpredictable. Yes, I agree that LSH was a presence in the Riverlands story, but that adds to my frustration that her constant teasing has had such little payoff, and my suspicion that she might amount to little more than a plot device for Jaime and/or Brienne's character growth. I'm too drunk right now to respond to this ... but LSH is life.  I hope I'm wrong, I guess I've just gotten cynical about some of the directions George is taking the story, and the wait for TWOW is getting really frustarting at this point. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 11, 2017 21:44:16 GMT
I agree with what you guys wrote about the show's portrayal of vengeance, which is why I hated scenes like Brienne killing Stannis and the way they handled episode 6x09. It doesn't feel consistent with the tone of ASOIAF. It's okay for the good guys to get a win, but it shouldn't feel as contrived as it did in those show moments. Obligatory  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Mar 11, 2017 22:20:13 GMT
We still don't know what GRRM will do with LSH other than the fact that she will be important expressed his disappointment that she won't be in the show. All we can do is wait for GRRM to finish Winds and our misery will be over and renew before he start writing Spring.
The only thing i'm predicting that we will read LSH's sad final moment when she will be kill either by Brienne or Jaime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 22:24:47 GMT
Are any of you on Westeros.org these days? I'm just curious what the general feeling is about the book wait among the fan base. Have people given up? Are they being patient?
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Post by Singer of Death on Mar 11, 2017 22:30:25 GMT
Are any of you on Westeros.org these days? I'm just curious what the general feeling is about the book wait among the fan base. Have people given up? Are they being patient? I gave up posting on Westeros.org last year. But checking now and i'm only seeing trivial questions like Arya will become Queen or why did Tywin not remarry, probably out of boredom from waiting. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 22:38:03 GMT
Are any of you on Westeros.org these days? I'm just curious what the general feeling is about the book wait among the fan base. Have people given up? Are they being patient? I gave up posting on Westeros.org last year. But checking now and i'm only seeing trivial questions like Arya will become Queen or why did Tywin not remarry, probably out of boredom from waiting. I really don't know why I asked. No matter what the answer is, I'll probably be annoyed.  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Mar 11, 2017 22:39:17 GMT
I gave up posting on Westeros.org last year. But checking now and i'm only seeing trivial questions like Arya will become Queen or why did Tywin not remarry, probably out of boredom from waiting. I really don't know why I asked. No matter what the answer is, I'll probably be annoyed. Is there something you want to ask? Sorry if i offended you...  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 11, 2017 22:43:22 GMT
Are any of you on Westeros.org these days? I'm just curious what the general feeling is about the book wait among the fan base. Have people given up? Are they being patient? i pride myself on being on the most hated posters on Westeros, among that certain pocket of fans whose favorite drink is haterade. It's split. Half are getting tired of the wait and are losing hope that the series will ever be finished. The other half is of the "how dare you question lord GRRM he will finish his masterpiece at his own pace" mindset. Honestly, GRRM is doing other projects, even within the ASOIAF universe, so it feels like he is writing anything but tWoW at this point lol. I think he's losing interest in the series. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Mar 11, 2017 22:52:31 GMT
Are any of you on Westeros.org these days? I'm just curious what the general feeling is about the book wait among the fan base. Have people given up? Are they being patient? Honestly, GRRM is doing other projects, even within the ASOIAF universe, so it feels like he is writing anything but tWoW at this point lol. I think he's losing interest in the series. Not surprising. They say that the more you write the more you lose interest in it, so i wouldn't blame GRRM for that. Especially after the convolutions of Feast and Dance he dealt with. |
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