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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 11:33:56 GMT
R + L = J finally confirmed, but why didn't we hear the name Lyanna whispered for crying out loud? Regardless, the scene was beautiful. It could have ended after this scene. Or after the coronation scene. Or after the "Winter is here" scene. Or after Arya's revenge scene. Or where it ended. This episode had too many climaxes. But I enjoyed all those climaxes. Or something.  Yeh i don't get it either...is there some other secret involved here...lol is this one massive troll?!?! who cares what name he was given I bet his name is Aegon Targaryan. But yeah, by this point we KNOW! Just say it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 11:42:43 GMT
Yeh i don't get it either...is there some other secret involved here...lol is this one massive troll?!?! who cares what name he was given I bet his name is Aegon Targaryan. But yeah, by this point we KNOW! Just say it! would she call him aegon when there was already one? I don't know. Honestly there's no need for secrecy at this point. So maybe there is more to it. |
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Post by Steve Stark on Jun 28, 2016 21:02:39 GMT
Well I lost 1150 dollars that episode, but I won't let my pride tarnish my rating. Not having LSH this season hurt. It hurt bad. But I'm over it. Seeing a crown on Cersei made me sick. But seeing the look of disgust/hate on Jaime almost made it worth it. Plus, with a certain someone on the way I'll get what I want eventually. A long lost theory was finally confirmed. I actually won money on that one, although since that bet has been ongoing for over 10 years, it's...whatever. All in all, this was exceptional entertainment. I gave it a 9 out of 10. Probably would have gave it a perfect 10, but Baelish storyline...just weird. Varys being in two places at once (I know, I know, timeline this and that because TV show and reasons reasons reasons, but fuck it, I didn't like it the gods be damned!). Also, Frey didn't get a glorious enough death, but I lump that in with LSH missing. I also didn't like losing one of the most beautiful women on my show...but it was done really well. And Romeo following her shortly afterward was predictable. As for the LSH bit...      What was your long lost theory? Btw, my tentative 7 was tentative in that I may yet raise it, not lower it
I guess "lost" was the wrong word to use. It was R+L=J. But hell, after waiting 15 years or more to find out about Jon's parentage, it did feel kind of like a "lost" theory to me. I mean, I remember talking about this theory in high school, and now I'm in my thirties. haha. And then George didn't even get to tell me through his own books after all that time, but at least I got it from the show and will enjoy all the juicy details when the book comes out.
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Post by Steve Stark on Jun 28, 2016 21:05:55 GMT
I bet his name is Aegon Targaryan. But yeah, by this point we KNOW! Just say it! would she call him aegon when there was already one? I don't know. Honestly there's no need for secrecy at this point. So maybe there is more to it.
Maybe at the time of filming they didn't know the actual name. "Yeah we know Rhaegar and Lyanna, got it. Roll film....oh fuck...what did she name him? It wasn't Jon was it? Fuck. Gods be damned. Fuck it, whisper it for now while we've got the light. I'll call George later and find out for season 7. Plus it will keep everyone in suspense and piss everyone off. That'll be fun. They THOUGHT they were getting all the answers. Hey, while we're at it, let's not even bring up Rhaegar or the name Targaryen. One. Piece. At. A. Time."
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 28, 2016 21:11:09 GMT
It never occurred to me that Jon's name might not be Jon. When your lover is off fighting a battle and you're in a bed of blood, just see that the kid finds safety. "Promise me, Ned. Promise me you'll protect this child at all costs! BTW his name is Jasper, don't you dare change it!" (cough, sputter, gasp.. die)
Anyway, if you get stuck with a shitty name, you adopt a nickname or just outright change it, your identity is more than a name. And we know him as Jon Snow, he'll always be Jon Snow. If his mother gave him another name that he had for one minute before Ned changed it, who cares?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 21:19:39 GMT
I think the reason his name is important is because he is true born.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 28, 2016 21:28:57 GMT
Oh is name is Targaryen perhaps?
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 28, 2016 21:34:25 GMT
I think the reason his name is important is because he is true born. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. People should look to Jon because he's a good person, with compassion and because he recognizes the importance of uniting against the true impending threat of White Walkers. If that's not enough, but his name is, that seems like a step backwards in this story, which preached against the superficiality of true born heirs that cause people to suffer like Aerys Targaryen. "Ok, sure, Jon Snow has accomplished a lot and proven himself to be quite capable, but I would never bow to him... wait, back the fuck up, his name is Jasper Targaryen? Put a crown on that man's head!" |
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 28, 2016 21:37:21 GMT
"Ok, sure, Jon Snow has accomplished a lot and proven himself to be quite capable, but I would never bow to him... wait, back the fuck up, his name is Jasper Targaryen? Put a crown on that man's head!" GARY. His name is Gary Targaryen. 100% confirmed by Reddit lip reading service. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 28, 2016 21:38:34 GMT
Keep in mind, GRMM revealed Ned named Lyanna's son Jon after Jon Arryn. So it would make sense for Lyanna to not name her child to Ned considering she's on the verge of death, thus doesn't have time to choose a name for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 21:38:59 GMT
I think the reason his name is important is because he is true born. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. People should look to Jon because he's a good person, with compassion and because he recognizes the importance of uniting against the true impending threat of White Walkers. If that's not enough, but his name is, that seems like a step backwards in this story, which preached against the superficiality of true born heirs that cause people to suffer like Aerys Targaryen. "Ok, sure, Jon Snow has accomplished a lot and proven himself to be quite capable, but I would never bow to him... wait, back the fuck up, his name is Jasper Targaryen? Put a crown on that man's head!" That may be, but I think there's only one reason Rhaegar left the two best kingsguard at the Tower. His heir was there. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 29, 2016 1:38:41 GMT
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. People should look to Jon because he's a good person, with compassion and because he recognizes the importance of uniting against the true impending threat of White Walkers. If that's not enough, but his name is, that seems like a step backwards in this story, which preached against the superficiality of true born heirs that cause people to suffer like Aerys Targaryen. "Ok, sure, Jon Snow has accomplished a lot and proven himself to be quite capable, but I would never bow to him... wait, back the fuck up, his name is Jasper Targaryen? Put a crown on that man's head!" That may be, but I think there's only one reason Rhaegar left the two best kingsguard at the Tower. His heir was there. Besides the obvious plot point of Jon potentially being the rightful heir to the throne, I think it would be a great twist if Jon found out that he was really true born, considering his entire life he was raised as, treated as, shaped his life as a bastard (of a man who isn't even his father) |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 29, 2016 1:44:25 GMT
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. People should look to Jon because he's a good person, with compassion and because he recognizes the importance of uniting against the true impending threat of White Walkers. If that's not enough, but his name is, that seems like a step backwards in this story, which preached against the superficiality of true born heirs that cause people to suffer like Aerys Targaryen. "Ok, sure, Jon Snow has accomplished a lot and proven himself to be quite capable, but I would never bow to him... wait, back the fuck up, his name is Jasper Targaryen? Put a crown on that man's head!" That may be, but I think there's only one reason Rhaegar left the two best kingsguard at the Tower. His heir was there. Oh indeed. I'm just saying, what does it matter what Lyanna wanted to name him? Ned raised him. He grew up as Jon Snow. He IS Jon Snow. If somebody came up to you and said '...actually, your name isn't Witchy, it's Mango.' would that mean anything to you? You've identified as Witchy for your entire life, you're more than a name or title, you're an individual, and so is Jon Snow. I don't know, maybe I'm not making any sense.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 2:52:38 GMT
That may be, but I think there's only one reason Rhaegar left the two best kingsguard at the Tower. His heir was there. Oh indeed. I'm just saying, what does it matter what Lyanna wanted to name him? Ned raised him. He grew up as Jon Snow. He IS Jon Snow. If somebody came up to you and said '...actually, your name isn't Witchy, it's Mango.' would that mean anything to you? You've identified as Witchy for your entire life, you're more than a name or title, you're an individual, and so is Jon Snow. I don't know, maybe I'm not making any sense. I totally get what you're saying. I was literally yelling as Lyanna lay dying "Shit! Let us hear it! We know who he is!" It doesn't matter what his first name is. But being trueborn would still be significant in the world of the show...though, less so than in the books where it seems to matter more. Mango |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 29, 2016 3:05:34 GMT
Oh indeed. I'm just saying, what does it matter what Lyanna wanted to name him? Ned raised him. He grew up as Jon Snow. He IS Jon Snow. If somebody came up to you and said '...actually, your name isn't Witchy, it's Mango.' would that mean anything to you? You've identified as Witchy for your entire life, you're more than a name or title, you're an individual, and so is Jon Snow. I don't know, maybe I'm not making any sense. I totally get what you're saying. I was literally yelling as Lyanna lay dying "Shit! Let us hear it! We know who he is!" It doesn't matter what his first name is. But being trueborn would still be significant in the world of the show...though, less so than in the books where it seems to matter more. MangoI just assumed she was whispering "This is my son from Rhaegar, please raise him as your own and keep him safe. Robert will surely kill him if he knew the truth." It's funny how we all watch the same episode yet we get wildly different interpretations of a certain scene. It never occurred to me that she'd be saying something about a different name than Jon. I thought the whisper was for dramatic effect. It was much more elegant than if she had looked directed at the camera and said: 'Jon's a Targaryen, bitch!' (airhorn) But everybody is abuzz about the secret name, so maybe it went over my head. Such is Mango. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 3:07:59 GMT
I totally get what you're saying. I was literally yelling as Lyanna lay dying "Shit! Let us hear it! We know who he is!" It doesn't matter what his first name is. But being trueborn would still be significant in the world of the show...though, less so than in the books where it seems to matter more. MangoI just assumed she was whispering "This is my son from Rhaegar, please raise him as your own and keep him safe. Robert will surely kill him if he knew the truth." It's funny how we all watch the same episode yet we get wildly different interpretations of a certain scene. It never occurred to me that she'd be saying something about a different name than Jon. I thought the whisper was for dramatic effect. It was much more elegant than if she had looked directed at the camera and said: 'Jon's a Targaryen, bitch!' (airhorn) But everybody is abuzz about the secret name, so maybe it went over my head. Such is Mango. that would have been so hype |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jun 29, 2016 3:24:02 GMT
I just assumed she was whispering "This is my son from Rhaegar, please raise him as your own and keep him safe. Robert will surely kill him if he knew the truth." It's funny how we all watch the same episode yet we get wildly different interpretations of a certain scene. It never occurred to me that she'd be saying something about a different name than Jon. I thought the whisper was for dramatic effect. It was much more elegant than if she had looked directed at the camera and said: 'Jon's a Targaryen, bitch!' (airhorn) But everybody is abuzz about the secret name, so maybe it went over my head. Such is Mango. that would have been so hype The pupil has become the teacher. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 29, 2016 7:06:35 GMT
I was actually being serious with my "His name is Targaryen" thing. It's Lyanna implicitly telling Ned that Jon is legitimate/trueborn, which also increases her fear for his safety if anyone ever finds out. It works better than any of he other options, IMO, and shall remain my head canon unless contradicted in the future (and perhaps beyond then) |
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