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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 15:09:06 GMT
Warning: Spoiler Speculation happening based on previous episodes, trailers, preview videos, etc. Actual verified leaks should be kept to the LEAKS thread only, but as far as I know there aren't any so whatever we discuss here is purely speculation at this point.
Discuss: After 6x08 we have Daenerys coming home on Drogon to find her city under siege and a very guilty Tyrion at the head of that with kids Missandei and Grey Worm in tow. How is Mother Dragon going to handle this siege with the Masters attacking?
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 14, 2016 15:36:57 GMT
From trailers and Battle od Odds: there will be Dothraki charge outside the city and Yara&Theon will arrive to help and make a deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 15:42:37 GMT
Sweet! Thanks @envie!
I'm not sure if the Battle of Meereen will be in fact in this episode, but if it is i do wonder a few things. As mentioned in the Promo thread there is a small synopsis that there might be an acceptance of surrender and if it is in Meereen what will Dany do.
I have a really hard time believing that Dany would let these men go or that there would be any kind of real truce. They have literally betrayed her and her people twice. The attacked perpetuated by the Harpy who were most certainly backed by the masters and of course now this current attack which happened after Tyrion believed he negotiated a truce with them.
If Dany were to leave these men alive they would most certainly betray her again. My question or concerns, I guess. Is that Dany will foux accept their surrender and then slaughter them. I get her doing that in Astapor, she had to trick them, there was no other way, but here it would seem kind of shady. If she doesn't accept their surrender and they die in battle, I don't have a problem with that. She doesn't need to accept their surrender, they have been shitty the whole time. I just want her to be upfront about her Fire and Blood.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 15:54:00 GMT
Sweet! Thanks @envie ! I'm not sure if the Battle of Meereen will be in fact in this episode, but if it is i do wonder a few things. As mentioned in the Promo thread there is a small synopsis that there might be an acceptance of surrender and if it is in Meereen what will Dany do. I have a really hard time believing that Dany would let these men go or that there would be any kind of real truce. They have literally betrayed her and her people twice. The attacked perpetuated by the Harpy who were most certainly backed by the masters and of course now this current attack which happened after Tyrion believed he negotiated a truce with them. If Dany were to leave these men alive they would most certainly betray her again. My question or concerns, I guess. Is that Dany will foux accept their surrender and then slaughter them. I get her doing that in Astapor, she had to trick them, there was no other way, but here it would seem kind of shady. If she doesn't accept their surrender and they die in battle, I don't have a problem with that. She doesn't need to accept their surrender, they have been shitty the whole time. I just want her to be upfront about her Fire and Blood. These are great points and valid concerns. I've thought a lot about it too in trying to unravel a possible scenario that makes sense and gains Daenerys what she wants without some sort of trickery again or just flat out burning them all to death. I'd be ok with that, they definitely deserve it at this point as many chances as she (and Tyrion) have given them to come to peace agreements. Because Daenerys is leaving (we know that now for sure with her Drogon-back speech to her Khalasar) I think they wanted a quick way to wrap it up neatly in Meereen and make it definite for that departure. The siege from the Masters helps propel it forward to the finale. (And you're right, there's a possibility this may not be 6x09 but 6x10 in which case we can have @alcasinoroyale or one of the mods move the thread there if we're wrong.  ) My best guess at this point is: Daenerys burns a few ships with Drogon (and possibly Rhaegar and Viserion if she finally lets them out) and then somehow confronts the leaders and forces them to hand over the ships. She NEEDS those ships so she's smart enough to know burning them down is a bad option. The other option is Yara and Theon show up and smash the Master's ships from the rear as they see Meereen under attack. THAT would definitely gain instant favor with Daenerys whereas just meeting her cold would have been less favorable for them. We know from Yara's comment before she left with the prostitue (  ) that they were leaving port the next morning for a long sea voyage to Meereen so with the way the show fast forwards travel, they should be there soon. Those are my two guesses of what happens. When I saw the ships firing on Meereen I was quite excited because suddenly the big problem of "Where to get more ships" was answered.  |
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 14, 2016 16:25:43 GMT
I share your view and see the "surrender terms rejected" part rather in Meereen. By the way, as the battle will seem to go in favor of the masters at the beginning ( before Dothraki and Ironborn arrive), it could also be the slavers who present their terms of surrender, and Daenerys rejects them.
In my opinion it could very well be the Northern allies of the Boltons who accept terms of surrender at Winterfell, thus avoiding total destruction... and leaving poor Ramsay standing all alone in the cold winds of winter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 18:06:30 GMT
Sweet! Thanks @envie ! I'm not sure if the Battle of Meereen will be in fact in this episode, but if it is i do wonder a few things. As mentioned in the Promo thread there is a small synopsis that there might be an acceptance of surrender and if it is in Meereen what will Dany do. I have a really hard time believing that Dany would let these men go or that there would be any kind of real truce. They have literally betrayed her and her people twice. The attacked perpetuated by the Harpy who were most certainly backed by the masters and of course now this current attack which happened after Tyrion believed he negotiated a truce with them. If Dany were to leave these men alive they would most certainly betray her again. My question or concerns, I guess. Is that Dany will foux accept their surrender and then slaughter them. I get her doing that in Astapor, she had to trick them, there was no other way, but here it would seem kind of shady. If she doesn't accept their surrender and they die in battle, I don't have a problem with that. She doesn't need to accept their surrender, they have been shitty the whole time. I just want her to be upfront about her Fire and Blood. These are great points and valid concerns. I've thought a lot about it too in trying to unravel a possible scenario that makes sense and gains Daenerys what she wants without some sort of trickery again or just flat out burning them all to death. I'd be ok with that, they definitely deserve it at this point as many chances as she (and Tyrion) have given them to come to peace agreements. Because Daenerys is leaving (we know that now for sure with her Drogon-back speech to her Khalasar) I think they wanted a quick way to wrap it up neatly in Meereen and make it definite for that departure. The siege from the Masters helps propel it forward to the finale. (And you're right, there's a possibility this may not be 6x09 but 6x10 in which case we can have @alcasinoroyale or one of the mods move the thread there if we're wrong. ) My best guess at this point is: Daenerys burns a few ships with Drogon (and possibly Rhaegar and Viserion if she finally lets them out) and then somehow confronts the leaders and forces them to hand over the ships. She NEEDS those ships so she's smart enough to know burning them down is a bad option. The other option is Yara and Theon show up and smash the Master's ships from the rear as they see Meereen under attack. THAT would definitely gain instant favor with Daenerys whereas just meeting her cold would have been less favorable for them. We know from Yara's comment before she left with the prostitue ( ) that they were leaving port the next morning for a long sea voyage to Meereen so with the way the show fast forwards travel, they should be there soon. Those are my two guesses of what happens. When I saw the ships firing on Meereen I was quite excited because suddenly the big problem of "Where to get more ships" was answered. I think the bolded has a very good chance of happening. It'll take time for Dany forces to get setup and she has no means of fighting the masters at sea, so she'll definitely need the Greyjoy fleet and will be grateful for it. I share your view and see the "surrender terms rejected" part rather in Meereen. By the way, as the battle will seem to go in favor of the masters at the beginning ( before Dothraki and Ironborn arrive), it could also be the slavers who present their terms of surrender, and Daenerys rejects them. In my opinion it could very well be the Northern allies of the Boltons who accept terms of surrender at Winterfell, thus avoiding total destruction... and leaving poor Ramsay standing all alone in the cold winds of winter. I would prefer this just because I think it would be more in line with the established betrayal and untrustworthy(ness) of the masters and Dany's rejection of their faux-willingness to amend their ways. I just don't think Dany needs to be tricky/clever like that. She was in a position of weakness for a time and needed to think outside the box. Now, she's in a position of power, she can demand her terms. Also, for the North it would seem like a better storyline if the other Northern houses decided to abandon Ramsay to join the Stark cause. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 18:49:19 GMT
I share your view and see the "surrender terms rejected" part rather in Meereen. By the way, as the battle will seem to go in favor of the masters at the beginning ( before Dothraki and Ironborn arrive), it could also be the slavers who present their terms of surrender, and Daenerys rejects them. In my opinion it could very well be the Northern allies of the Boltons who accept terms of surrender at Winterfell, thus avoiding total destruction... and leaving poor Ramsay standing all alone in the cold winds of winter. I would prefer this just because I think it would be more in line with the established betrayal and untrustworthy(ness) of the masters and Dany's rejection of their faux-willingness to amend their ways. I just don't think Dany needs to be tricky/clever like that. She was in a position of weakness for a time and needed to think outside the box. Now, she's in a position of power, she can demand her terms.
Also, for the North it would seem like a better storyline if the other Northern houses decided to abandon Ramsay to join the Stark cause. I agree with you and GreenChili that the rejected surrender terms is more likely something Daenerys would do in response to the Masters. IF they manage to somehow take those ships without destroying them (Yara/Theon help being best bet) then I could see the Masters trying one last time to concede to the terms Tyrion set and Daenerys will reject it. They may beg to go back to their cities beaten but if she lets them this time, she's stupid because she knows they'll just come back again after she's gone like cockroaches. I still think she's going to leave behind a ruling party of some sort after she goes since she can't take ALL of her people with her across the sea during a conquest war. It's just not practical. This time, she has to burn the Masters, it's the only way to know for certain they won't come back again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 21:06:56 GMT
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Post by boojam on Jun 14, 2016 22:13:47 GMT
From the trailers, we have these three shots:
   I think the explosion could be from 609 and the Dothraki charge in the finale. Yeah it looks as if the Slavers have landed ground forces the are caught between the Dothraki screamers and the Unsullied, that means you-are-fucked! The fleet? nothing a big ass dragon couldn't take care of. (Combined forces of Dothraki and Unsullied , nuff said!) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 22:24:33 GMT
From the trailers, we have these three shots:
I think the explosion could be from 609 and the Dothraki charge in the finale. Yeah it looks as if the Slavers have landed ground forces the are caught between the Dothraki screamers and the Unsullied, that means you-are-fucked! The fleet? nothing a big ass dragon couldn't take care of. (Combined forces of Dothraki and Unsullied , nuff said!) I think the battle might be a little more complicated than that (or at least I hope so). The Dothraki aren't good at sea and although we do expect the Greyjoys, Dany can't very well burn them all because she sort of needs those ships. So, it has to be a little more strategic. They have also been caught flat footed so while they get organized there will be some death and destruction. I just want it to be a little more complex than, Dany showed up and beat everyone to a pulp. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 22:29:50 GMT
Yeah it looks as if the Slavers have landed ground forces the are caught between the Dothraki screamers and the Unsullied, that means you-are-fucked! The fleet? nothing a big ass dragon couldn't take care of. (Combined forces of Dothraki and Unsullied , nuff said!) I think the battle might be a little more complicated than that (or at least I hope so). The Dothraki aren't good at sea and although we do expect the Greyjoys, Dany can't very well burn them all because she sort of needs those ships. So, it has to be a little more strategic. They have also been caught flat footed so while they get organized there will be some death and destruction. I just want it to be a little more complex than, Dany showed up and beat everyone to a pulp. Totally agree. It should not be a complete massacre only in Dany's favor. There needs to be a lot of chaos and confusion and death happening but I don't think they're going to devote that much time to it considering Snowbowl is rightfully the larger battle happening that everyone is anticipating. I'll even admit I'm hyping Snowbowl a lot more than this Meereen siege only because we didn't even really think we might get any sort of Meereen siege and the outcome is pretty much a known factor since Dany already announced she's ready to ditch Meereen and leave for Westeros anyways. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 22:30:20 GMT
I would prefer this just because I think it would be more in line with the established betrayal and untrustworthy(ness) of the masters and Dany's rejection of their faux-willingness to amend their ways. I just don't think Dany needs to be tricky/clever like that. She was in a position of weakness for a time and needed to think outside the box. Now, she's in a position of power, she can demand her terms.
Also, for the North it would seem like a better storyline if the other Northern houses decided to abandon Ramsay to join the Stark cause. I agree with you and GreenChili that the rejected surrender terms is more likely something Daenerys would do in response to the Masters. IF they manage to somehow take those ships without destroying them (Yara/Theon help being best bet) then I could see the Masters trying one last time to concede to the terms Tyrion set and Daenerys will reject it. They may beg to go back to their cities beaten but if she lets them this time, she's stupid because she knows they'll just come back again after she's gone like cockroaches. I still think she's going to leave behind a ruling party of some sort after she goes since she can't take ALL of her people with her across the sea during a conquest war. It's just not practical. This time, she has to burn the Masters, it's the only way to know for certain they won't come back again. I debate whether I want Dany to burn that shot to the grown or whether it would be est for her to leave her free people a place to rule themselves and form a new home. She can't take these people to Westeros so something has to be done for them. Perhaps she will leave a small army with a ruling council in order for them to be able to protect themselves from any enemies. I would think Dany would want to insure that her people were taking care of properly this time unlike Astapor. |
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Post by boojam on Jun 14, 2016 22:37:28 GMT
Yeah it looks as if the Slavers have landed ground forces the are caught between the Dothraki screamers and the Unsullied, that means you-are-fucked! The fleet? nothing a big ass dragon couldn't take care of. (Combined forces of Dothraki and Unsullied , nuff said!) I think the battle might be a little more complicated than that (or at least I hope so). The Dothraki aren't good at sea and although we do expect the Greyjoys, Dany can't very well burn them all because she sort of needs those ships. So, it has to be a little more strategic. They have also been caught flat footed so while they get organized there will be some death and destruction. I just want it to be a little more complex than, Dany showed up and beat everyone to a pulp. Well you know this must be Episode 10, and that follows off-scale-honking-big-snowbowl-battle. Even tho HBO would could have sprung for two BigO-Battles, I mean money is no problem now!, I think D&D were spent. So this is some kind of around-the-edges sort of thing. Ah well, not like Winds of Winter, with Ser Barry leading and Grey Worm commanding, the 'armies' of Meereen into breaking the siege of Meereen. O yeah the Ironborn crashing the rear. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 22:46:56 GMT
I definitely think if they're smart, they'll write in some sort of contingency plan for leaving Meereen to explain how 10,000 Dothraki are going to work with this logistics issue. I personally think she should leave behind the women, children and elderly but only if they can get Meereen under control and stop the Masters permanently. Maybe that's never going to happen and she finally realizes that. So long as the other slaver cities are not under her direct control, they'll keep coming back.
I have never really understood how it's going to work to take a mixed race army to Westeros where the culture is so vastly different and it's SNOWING where they will fight anyways. Ok well it's not snowing in the crown lands yet but it will be by the time she gets there. It should be I think.
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Post by boojam on Jun 14, 2016 23:20:30 GMT
I definitely think if they're smart, they'll write in some sort of contingency plan for leaving Meereen to explain how 10,000 Dothraki are going to work with this logistics issue. I personally think she should leave behind the women, children and elderly but only if they can get Meereen under control and stop the Masters permanently. Maybe that's never going to happen and she finally realizes that. So long as the other slaver cities are not under her direct control, they'll keep coming back. I have never really understood how it's going to work to take a mixed race army to Westeros where the culture is so vastly different and it's SNOWING where they will fight anyways. Ok well it's not snowing in the crown lands yet but it will be by the time she gets there. It should be I think. In this season Tyrion did mention that Westeros was more wealthy than Essos without slaves, or wealthy enough . Tho serfdom is not a cake walk! Even book wise I don't know how GRRM solves the slave problem, if he does. The show is taking a shot at it? That's actually a serious line of narrative drama , not comic book stuff, are they gonna tackle it? We shall see. Well it might really be SNOWING in the south crown lands when Dany gets there in S7, I think the Unsullied can adapt, but the Dothraki , that's weird. Here's the odd thing, when Dany gets to Westeros there may be no Westerosi who oppose her, because of the north-of-the-Wall horror-sicle thereat, what then? |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 14, 2016 23:57:32 GMT
From the trailers, we have these three shots:
I think the explosion could be from 609 and the Dothraki charge in the finale. Are we gonna see Mereen in 6x09? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 0:06:57 GMT
From the trailers, we have these three shots:
I think the explosion could be from 609 and the Dothraki charge in the finale. Are we gonna see Mereen in 6x09? Yeah the scene filmed at Mesa Roldan had 609 on the director's slate. We'll have to see from the promo pictures. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 15, 2016 0:14:18 GMT
Are we gonna see Mereen in 6x09? Yeah the scene filmed at Mesa Roldan had 609 on the director's slate. We'll have to see from the promo pictures. Ah. I hope they don't do some sort of cut between Battles out anything, but if they do Jon marching, then cut to Mereen and back North, that'd be fine. The end of the siege of men will be episode 10 won't it? |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 15, 2016 0:31:18 GMT
Yeah the scene filmed at Mesa Roldan had 609 on the director's slate. We'll have to see from the promo pictures. Ah. I hope they don't do some sort of cut between Battles out anything, but if they do Jon marching, then cut to Mereen and back North, that'd be fine. The end of the siege of men will be episode 10 won't it? I prefer a full half of Mereen and the North. Cutting to each of the plot's scenes on time would be frustrated as hell. I would like Mereen to be the first battle to appear in the episode, then the North. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 0:41:10 GMT
Yeah the scene filmed at Mesa Roldan had 609 on the director's slate. We'll have to see from the promo pictures. Ah. I hope they don't do some sort of cut between Battles out anything, but if they do Jon marching, then cut to Mereen and back North, that'd be fine. The end of the siege of men will be episode 10 won't it? I could see them doing all of the Meereen scenes before the actual battle, but it probably won't be more than 10 minutes or so combined. Well the end of the siege being in 609 or 610 depends on what happens when Dany meets with the Masters. They also might use Meereen to showcase time passing in The North storyline if that makes sense. |
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