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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 18:28:22 GMT
Everywhere I went today and yesterday, there is a massive confusion regarding the three guys, one of which is Lem, who Castamere'd the hippie commune.
The confusion:
1. They are actual BwB
2. They are the group that split from BwB
Which do you think is correct? I was full on board with option number 2 but the option 1 has some good arguments for it:
if Stoneheart is leading them that explains their brutality - that for me does not sell it, but for some it does. The thing here is the motive for their murders - did they kill these people because they want to lure Sandor to them? did they kill these people because Ray is a Septon and they follow Lord of Light? Did they kill these people because they are psychos and they could?
Were their actions their own or were they acting on someone's orders?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 18:35:18 GMT
Everywhere I went today and yesterday, there is a massive confusion regarding the three guys, one of which is Lem, who Castamere'd the hippie commune. The confusion: 1. They are actual BwB 2. They are the group that split from BwB Which do you think is correct? I was full on board with option number 2 but the option 1 has some good arguments for it: if Stoneheart is leading them that explains their brutality - that for me does not sell it, but for some it does. The thing here is the motive for their murders - did they kill these people because they want to lure Sandor to them? did they kill these people because Ray is a Septon and they follow Lord of Light? Did they kill these people because they are psychos and they could? Were their actions their own or were they acting on someone's orders? The BwB thing is really confusing. There are 2 groups, no? The ones who still follow the old BwB ethics and the other brutal one? There could be a small conflict between the BwB's like Thoros leading the old "nice BwB" and for example LSH leading the new brutal and horrifying BwB. But if LSH is in, why would she want to kill random smallfolk? I believe that they killed the smallfolk because they denied them from food and steel earlier.. and that they're psychos. This is very confusing indeed. Hopefully they will shed some light on this subject in the next episode. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 18:40:10 GMT
Everywhere I went today and yesterday, there is a massive confusion regarding the three guys, one of which is Lem, who Castamere'd the hippie commune. The confusion: 1. They are actual BwB 2. They are the group that split from BwB Which do you think is correct? I was full on board with option number 2 but the option 1 has some good arguments for it: if Stoneheart is leading them that explains their brutality - that for me does not sell it, but for some it does. The thing here is the motive for their murders - did they kill these people because they want to lure Sandor to them? did they kill these people because Ray is a Septon and they follow Lord of Light? Did they kill these people because they are psychos and they could? Were their actions their own or were they acting on someone's orders? There could be a small conflict between the BwB's like Thoros leading the old "nice BwB" and for example LSH leading the new brutal and horrifying BwB. But if LSH is in, why would she want to kill random smallfolk? I believe that they killed the smallfolk because they denied them from food and steel earlier.. and that they're psychos. This is very confusing indeed. Hopefully they will shed some light on this subject in the next episode. That's the thing - we don't know  I imagine we will know more next episode,depending whether some of the BwB from season 3 is with these guys as it's evident from the promo Sandor finds them I think if LSH is in she is leading the real BwB. The Freys mentioned in previous episode how BwB is rallying common folk against them. Well that was not what those 3 outlaws did at all. Someone also mentioned how they left the food, so their goal wasn't robbing people |
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Post by Basil on Jun 7, 2016 18:45:02 GMT
I'm still holding on to the hope that the BwB had nothing to do with these murders, and the fact that we met Lem and the other two in a previous scene was just one big red herring. With or without Stoneheart, slaughtering a bunch of unarmed men, women and children for no fucking reason goes against everything we know about the Brotherhood without Banners. And it kind of contradicts what Walder Frey said in the previous episode, that the Brotherhood is rallying the smallfolk against the Freys. Of course it could just be that D&D are turning them into assholes just because ... - so we root for Sandor when he goes and murders them all ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 18:46:57 GMT
The BwB thing is really confusing. There are 2 groups, no? The ones who still follow the old BwB ethics and the other brutal one?There could be a small conflict between the BwB's like Thoros leading the old "nice BwB" and for example LSH leading the new brutal and horrifying BwB. But if LSH is in, why would she want to kill random smallfolk? I believe that they killed the smallfolk because they denied them from food and steel earlier.. and that they're psychos. This is very confusing indeed. Hopefully they will shed some light on this subject in the next episode. That's the thing - we don't know I imagine we will know more next episode,depending whether some of the BwB from season 3 is with these guys as it's evident from the promo Sandor finds them I think if LSH is in she is leading the real BwB. The Freys mentioned in previous episode how BwB is rallying common folk against them. Well that was not what those 3 outlaws did at all. Someone also mentioned how they left the food, so their goal wasn't robbing people Sandor will probably stumble on the real BwB and kill a few good guys thinking that they are bad. But who leads the evil one? I can see that if she's in, D&D will just make her an evil zombie who wants absolutely everyone dead. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 18:54:48 GMT
Another thing which is just fucked up because on one hand it's a huge indicator of LSH is the damn music.
Oath scene:
This is Brienne's music, the melody plays the first time we see her:
It also plays here:
As well as in Sansa/Brienne oath
The variation of this is of course Sandor vs Brienne music:
And this is last episode's ending. It's Oathkeeper track variation:
I checked Sandor's big scenes like him talking of Gregor burning him, this is not the music used there. It's very cleary Brienne's music, connected to her oaths and her storyline.
And it accompanies the scene where Sandor finds Septon like that.
Is it to suggest LSH is the cause of the slaugher?
Is it to suggest Sandor will run into her?
Or is it just a coincidence because Oathkeeper is the creepiest track they have?
Is Ramin throwing us a hint because we are seeing a hanging body?
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 19:01:32 GMT
That's the thing - we don't know I imagine we will know more next episode,depending whether some of the BwB from season 3 is with these guys as it's evident from the promo Sandor finds them I think if LSH is in she is leading the real BwB. The Freys mentioned in previous episode how BwB is rallying common folk against them. Well that was not what those 3 outlaws did at all. Someone also mentioned how they left the food, so their goal wasn't robbing people
But who leads the evil one? I can see that if she's in, D&D will just make her an evil zombie who wants absolutely everyone dead. I think you just discovered an option worse than Arya wearing Cat's face |
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 19:21:58 GMT
Gem found on imdb:  |
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 7, 2016 19:44:34 GMT
I'm still holding on to the hope that the BwB had nothing to do with these murders Yes, that's the thought I'm also clinging to. Especially as they made a big thing about what those three riders might have come for - horses, gold, steel, food, women. And the raiders just killed all, and neither took women, nor steel, nor food as far as we can see. So it might be that Lem and the two others were members of the "real" BwB (with LSH their leader); and then there's the bad guys who killed everyone, and who we did not meet up to now. But who leads the evil one? If there is indeed an evil group that's different from the BwB, I guess we'll meet their leader soon: In the casting calls he was called "Lachlan": "He’s the big leader of a group of renegades who have turned on the land that they swore to protect. They’re now extorting the poor and vulnerable. He appears in 2 episodes in season 6." The alternative would be that Lem Lemoncloak is this "Lachlan", having gone rogue from the BwB, and indeed being responsible for the killings... |
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 19:49:51 GMT
I'm still holding on to the hope that the BwB had nothing to do with these murders Yes, that's the thought I'm also clinging to. Especially as they made a big thing about what those three riders might have come for - horses, gold, steel, food, women. And the raiders just killed all, and neither took women, nor steel, nor food as far as we can see. So it might be that Lem and the two others were members of the "real" BwB (with LSH their leader); and then there's the bad guys who killed everyone, and who we did not meet up to now. But who leads the evil one? If there is indeed an evil group that's different from the BwB, I guess we'll meet their leader soon: In the casting calls he was called "Lachlan": "He’s the big leader of a group of renegades who have turned on the land that they swore to protect. They’re now extorting the poor and vulnerable. He appears in 2 episodes in season 6." The alternative would be that Lem Lemoncloak is this "Lachlan", having gone rogue from the BwB, and indeed being responsible for the killings... I think Lachlan is the code in casting call. It's Lem in the show. The only way what they did is somewhat possible to explain if they are BwB and LSH is in is - they are after Sandor. BwB knows Sandor had Arya. BwB tells LSH that. They want to lure him in the trap by giving him the reason to follow them, also punishing the people who helped Sandor who in LSH mind probably hurt/wanted to hurt Arya But it doesn't fit because Thoros is still alive
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 7, 2016 19:59:23 GMT
I think Lachlan is the code in casting call. It's Lem in the show. "Lachlan" is of course a fictional codename - but did Lem seem like the "big leader" of a group of renegades to you? Would this "big leader" really perform the scouting before a raid himself, with only two men? |
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 8, 2016 10:46:28 GMT
Seems I can bury my theory about the three riders' innocence. This is what the offical GoT Viewer's Guide says:  |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 8, 2016 12:26:15 GMT
Seems I can bury my theory about the three riders' innocence. This is what the offical GoT Viewer's Guide says: Bummer, I thought we'd be set up for a twist that it wasn't them. I'll vote that they were part of the BwB but split off. As to why, I don't know? Why they raided the camp and killed the people, I have no idea? It seems like an unnecessary way to draw Sandor out, if they are part of a LSH lead BwB...all they had to do was spy on the camp, catch Sandor alone and kidnap him/knock him out or something...especially if LSH wants answers about Arya. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2016 14:41:15 GMT
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I imagine we will know more next episode,depending whether some of the BwB from season 3 is with these guys as it's evident from the promo 
